Banelords Be Gone!
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Corran
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Posted this in the general discussion thread... but will post here as well... lest not whine and instead be a bit constructive and try to help balance!
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I play banelord at times, and to be honest it is stupidly overpowered. Especially the moment you get stunned. Gives you 45seconds+ of pure interuption on a massive radius.
With that said, they didnt need to nerf it this hard. I would have merely advised one the following:
1) All BL abilities interupt however radius of effect reduced to 750units stun immunity+tendril spam fixed as well as the timer (timer fix = stun immunity fix anyways)
2) BL abilities no longer interupt, timer reduced to 2.5minutes. Number of shared timers reduced. Radius kept the same.
Now, by doing either these you have nerfed the abilities to an acceptable level (I mainly play caster but tank experiences still back up this) but do not make the line useless. But to point out why i say this i will continue (maybe send feedback when home to mythic about my view to be ignored )
Option 1)
By reducing the radius they cant interupt everyone at once, got to be more selective when to do it. It still gives them the ability to interupt though which allows them to make an attack/escape without been insta killed by nukes. The fxing of tendrils would mean that they can not spam an interupt anymore and play more like a tank again.
Option 2)
Removing of interupts as already announced will weaken the banelords abilities and then there are further nerfs involved beyond that. Makes the line undesirable. As such this is a comprimise between what is proposed and keeping the line as worthwhile, especially at lowering casters fast nuking.
Removal of shared timers allows the banelord to use the many abilities they got that they have to pick between. With the removal of interupts this would no longer be that big an issue. Tendrils will very rarely be used now as is with no interupting involved.
Lowering ability timers .. this means that the tank can use zone of unmana on the same radius as is now but more often. It will not interupt but it will reduce caster DPS due to slow cast times. It be up in all fights and multiple times per fight. Will keep caster damage more in check and give support chance to keep tanks alive now they cant interupt.
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Now, I cant decide which will be best right now. It basically comes to the lesser of 2 evils. Instead of complaining about this change, lets try be constuctive. Dont like my ideas? Then help me adjust them to something which we can happily approach Mythic and GoA with in order to achieve a balance between the players and the companies ideas.
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I play banelord at times, and to be honest it is stupidly overpowered. Especially the moment you get stunned. Gives you 45seconds+ of pure interuption on a massive radius.
With that said, they didnt need to nerf it this hard. I would have merely advised one the following:
1) All BL abilities interupt however radius of effect reduced to 750units stun immunity+tendril spam fixed as well as the timer (timer fix = stun immunity fix anyways)
2) BL abilities no longer interupt, timer reduced to 2.5minutes. Number of shared timers reduced. Radius kept the same.
Now, by doing either these you have nerfed the abilities to an acceptable level (I mainly play caster but tank experiences still back up this) but do not make the line useless. But to point out why i say this i will continue (maybe send feedback when home to mythic about my view to be ignored )
Option 1)
By reducing the radius they cant interupt everyone at once, got to be more selective when to do it. It still gives them the ability to interupt though which allows them to make an attack/escape without been insta killed by nukes. The fxing of tendrils would mean that they can not spam an interupt anymore and play more like a tank again.
Option 2)
Removing of interupts as already announced will weaken the banelords abilities and then there are further nerfs involved beyond that. Makes the line undesirable. As such this is a comprimise between what is proposed and keeping the line as worthwhile, especially at lowering casters fast nuking.
Removal of shared timers allows the banelord to use the many abilities they got that they have to pick between. With the removal of interupts this would no longer be that big an issue. Tendrils will very rarely be used now as is with no interupting involved.
Lowering ability timers .. this means that the tank can use zone of unmana on the same radius as is now but more often. It will not interupt but it will reduce caster DPS due to slow cast times. It be up in all fights and multiple times per fight. Will keep caster damage more in check and give support chance to keep tanks alive now they cant interupt.
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Now, I cant decide which will be best right now. It basically comes to the lesser of 2 evils. Instead of complaining about this change, lets try be constuctive. Dont like my ideas? Then help me adjust them to something which we can happily approach Mythic and GoA with in order to achieve a balance between the players and the companies ideas.
xxManiacxx
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Punishment said:This is just bollox tbh
1st i get my Hero BG ages ago and then warden bger's become fotm ...
Then 2 weeks before my shade dings rr5 remedy to all ...
And a week before i get my firby bm ml10 this happens
But on the upside atleast my Hero will be more viable in groups now and also Blademasters are now damage dealers and not interrupt bots which will make choosing furby with 406 str w/o aug str a good choice
stop being fotm
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Corran said:
How do you suggest banelords be used if they don't interupt? With the kite game rvr is atm a tank can't really go anywhere near the enemies support/casters unless banelords are up to _INTERUPT_ or you will die in a few seconds to assist nukes then the enemy group will push over your body so you will stay dead.. tanks are almost useless with these changes
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~Latency~ said:
I would play it the same way as i did BEFORE ToA and not get extended. People seem to forget what it was like before. If you got a group that can constantly put ZoU on enemy casters then their DPS is less then half what it would normally be. Add in the old fashioned ways of interupting (flurries, charges etc) and then pull out. But that is why i gave to options. One where there are interupts but needing more effort to interupt everyone/more abilities adn the one where there no interupts but you can lower DPS more often off enemy casters/slow supports heal ability.
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I don't get it.......
First Mythic says we improve the Classes who are more ore less gimped like Heavy Tanks. They give them more HP's, higher resists and some useless new Buttons to click ( Climbing Spikes lol what the fuck should a Heavy Tank do up there apart from dieing) and almost at the same time they improve/add several Spells on Hybrids and some Mages to negate the Tank Improvements again....And now they make sure Banelord Tanks can sit together in a Keep with their Heavy Tank Friends to play with their balls!
I think Mythic has no clue how to balance the Game...they just throw in new Abilities left and right with the hope to balance it.
(I don't have any BL Chars!!1)
First Mythic says we improve the Classes who are more ore less gimped like Heavy Tanks. They give them more HP's, higher resists and some useless new Buttons to click ( Climbing Spikes lol what the fuck should a Heavy Tank do up there apart from dieing) and almost at the same time they improve/add several Spells on Hybrids and some Mages to negate the Tank Improvements again....And now they make sure Banelord Tanks can sit together in a Keep with their Heavy Tank Friends to play with their balls!
I think Mythic has no clue how to balance the Game...they just throw in new Abilities left and right with the hope to balance it.
(I don't have any BL Chars!!1)
Vladamir said:Just had a thought. If ml9 doesn't get nerfed, then mid groups will probably run the 1 sham 2 healer 3 sm's 1 rm 1 bd again. Could have up to 4 ml9 pets in one group.
No amount of baod is gonna counter that
...and to think, you'll be joining such a realm of skill!
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Time will tell if the change is good for the game or not, but I guess ANY nerfs related to tanks/hybrids will be yelled at considering the current RvR situation. The number of tanks in the frontiers has probably never been lower, and I don't think this will get more people to roll one.
I just got a new toon close to 50 (yes, a caster...) and the usual PL spots were filled with.... casters. Wizards, Cabas, Sorcs, Tics and a few rogues. If I focus really hard I can remember an Armsman standing in a corner somewhere, but that's about it.
Let's hope Mythic has some kind of caster nerf ready for launch to even things out a bit.
I just got a new toon close to 50 (yes, a caster...) and the usual PL spots were filled with.... casters. Wizards, Cabas, Sorcs, Tics and a few rogues. If I focus really hard I can remember an Armsman standing in a corner somewhere, but that's about it.
Let's hope Mythic has some kind of caster nerf ready for launch to even things out a bit.
Maybe this fix is a prelude to an even more needed change. Reduce interrupts so that casting speed can be slowed down, wouldn't that be nice!
As for Banelord abilities, they were a tad silly imho and needed a minor nerf here or there.
As an aside, I would like to know if this also means archers wont be interrupted.
As for Banelord abilities, they were a tad silly imho and needed a minor nerf here or there.
As an aside, I would like to know if this also means archers wont be interrupted.
Collateral
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banelords suck the way they are. ridiculous that there were fights where i couldn´t cast a single spell and kinda insta died multiple times by tank at.
pressing one button and raping the enemy group is just far too easy.
charging in, bl-stuff a bit and run out again...very tank like btw
and i still think that tank groups won´t disappear.
...and high rr tank groups will be still capable of fucking up caster groups anyway.
pressing one button and raping the enemy group is just far too easy.
charging in, bl-stuff a bit and run out again...very tank like btw
and i still think that tank groups won´t disappear.
...and high rr tank groups will be still capable of fucking up caster groups anyway.
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Then it'd nerf the damage along with the defence...Flimgoblin said:
Nil :<Zaffa said:no it will give BL tanks same chance of getting groups as those other tanks have
Sm's and bonedancers didn't?Svartmetall said:
I agree that it'd be silly to have the ability only once every 5 mins and to still get stunned by it :<Jobbegea said:
Cloudz
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Dont want to write my merc off just yet but it doesnt look good for him, if they do decide to start giving bl to other class's and tanks like zerk/bm/mercs dont get some sort of boost and/or casters dont get a nerf worth doing, then it could be over for him :<
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roflGamah said:
This, coming from a Bainshee...
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And high RR caster groups will anally rape everybody else in 0.003 seconds. Yeah, that's going to be a great RvR experience for 99% of the playerbase.Collateral said:
