Rant Bacon Flu?

[Trem]

Well that was a fucking load of old bollocks wasn't it?

Anyone had it? Anyone died from it who didn't have medical problems already?

Where is the bird flu pandemic as well? Is it still coming or is that just another media fuelled load of bollocks?

Like we needed more stuff to worry about.

 

[Raven]

I had it, or at least suspected as I never saw a doctor. I was in bed for a couple of days and couldn't get off the sofa for a couple more days. I felt ill but hardly on deaths door.

It made a huge amount of money for the pharmaceutical industry and sold a lot of news, which is what the scare was designed for.

 

[Milkshake]

I know of people who have had it - properly diagnosed and tested as having it - and I got the jab. Other than that though...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Anyone surprised that it was just scaremongering will hopefully, next time they pull this same old crapola, be a bit smarter.

If not, get in line for the darwin train!

Problem are the people who go "That vacine saved my life, i just know it."

 

[Scouse]

Read an article in New Scientist about the "predictable backlash" about this. They reckon that we reacted correctly - there's no telling how dangerous the flu could have been so they erred on the side of safety.

It was a "pandemic" - it just turned out to not kill a lot of people. If it had been the killing type (which they couldn't tell in advance) and we hadn't done anything then loads could have died...

I don't see a problem tbfh.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I don't see a problem tbfh.

Boy who cried wolf.

Next time this happens, less people will be inclined to react to it.

If that's a bust too, then less again.

Then when the big V bomb hits, we WILL have a huge death toll because people don't trust the officials anymore.

Over-reacting rarely causes results and this was an over-reaction, by media, by people and by the governing forces.

Media surely didn't help, that's one thing that should be forcefully limited to facts and not scaremongering. If a common cold is more likely to kill you then the "pandemic", then tell it.

 

[Scouse]

Boy who cried wolf.

The scientists didn't cry wolf.

The scientists said "this new flu strain will most likely be a pandemic, we don't know if it will be deadly but in our opinion it's better to prepare some vaccines just in case it is".

The above is sensible IMHO. They couldn't tell beforehand whether it would be a deadly pandemic, but it had all the hallmarks of a pandemic so they said "get some vaccines ready - just in case".

So - IMHO - there's no a problem with the science.


However - you're 100% spot on right about the media. The media fuckheads portrayed it in a scaremongering fashion.

The question is why? - And the answer is:

Human beings are, in general, dumb fucks who will only pay attention to "news" if it's scary or sexy. They have no interest in normality or sensible factual reporting.

Media outlets need to make a profit. Therefore they portrayed this as something to be terrified of. It sold loads of papers/got watched on all the news channels. It's our fault for being a world of fuckheads...

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm not disputing the science and that they should prepare, but when it became evident that the flu was just that, a flu, they should've just told the public that there's no need to panic, the shots aren't really that important if you're not in a risk group, which are being dealt with, and so on.

Somewhere along the line it turned from preparation to a flu war and that should be avoided. Most likely by controlling the media by anti-terror messages etc.

"Nope, papers full of shit" by the president would go a long way

 

[MYstIC G]

I died of it tbh. This is just an automated posting script I created on my deathbed to troll your threads Trem and insist that you update your blog

PS: **** update your blog.

 

[TdC]

I had it, or at least suspected as I never saw a doctor. I was in bed for a couple of days and couldn't get off the sofa for a couple more days. I felt ill but hardly on deaths door.

It made a huge amount of money for the pharmaceutical industry and sold a lot of news, which is what the scare was designed for.

I had the same :/

 

[Scouse]

I died of it tbh. This is just an automated posting script I created on my deathbed to troll your threads Trem and insist that you update your blog

We'd all been discussing why your posts had increased in quality so drastically

 

[Chilly]

the vaccines were insurance. insurance is always overpriced. deal with it.

 

[Gumbo]

Daughter had it, she was a year old at the time, tested and confirmed by the doc, given Tamiflu and recovered fine. I had what I assume was it at the same time, raging temp, aching everything, basically could tick every box on the symptoms list. I spent a day or so asleep, another day on the sofa, and then felt rough for a week or so after. I then had a cough which took the best part of 6 months to shake off, but I'm fine now.

It was a worry for my one year old, mostly because of the temperature as they're not great at controlling their temps at that age, and it can lead to seizures and brain injury, but the tamiflu seemed to knock that on the head very quickly.

Honestly though, she, and I for that matter could have had almost identical symptoms and made the same recoveries from regular seasonal flu. The swine flu panic mongering is just bollocks.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Well that was a fucking load of old bollocks wasn't it?

Anyone had it? Anyone died from it who didn't have medical problems already?

Where is the bird flu pandemic as well? Is it still coming or is that just another media fuelled load of bollocks?

Like we needed more stuff to worry about.

A colleague on my team at work died because of complications from it that lingered for months. He was 27.

His funeral was last Friday. There were about 20 people from my work there.

 

[old.Tohtori]

A colleague on my team at work died because of complications from it that lingered for months. He was 27.

Healthy and all that, didn't get the shot?

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

He suffered from cystic fibrosis but basically led a normal, active life. When he got swine flu his breathing became extremely difficult and he had to go to hospital. After the tamiflu injection one of his lungs collapsed and he spent the next 7 months in and out of hospital.

He lost so much weight during this time that the doctors didn't dare operate to give him a lung transplant. He was gaining weight this spring and seemed to be on course for recovery.
He appeared to be becoming strong enough to withstand the required surgery. He was scheduled for a lung transplant and things appeared to be on the up for him returning to work.

During the hot weather about three weeks ago he had a relapse and was rushed back into hospital, where he died a few days later.

 

[MYstIC G]

We'd all been discussing why your posts had increased in quality so drastically

Can you update Trem's blog?

 

[cHodAX]

You doubters need a reality check, the authorities were 100% correct in making such a big deal of it. If something like Spanish Flu hits again in the modern world with airplanes and high speed links across continents we are utterly fucked, forget 100 million dead you will be looking at 1 billion plus.

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The moral of the story, when it comes to deadly flu variants there is no such thing as an over-reaction. Learn from history or you are doomed to repeat it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You doubters need a reality check, the authorities were 100% correct in making such a big deal of it. If something like Spanish Flu hits again in the modern world with airplanes and high speed links across continents we are utterly fucked, forget 100 million dead you will be looking at 1 billion plus.

1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The moral of the story, when it comes to deadly flu variants there is no such thing as an over-reaction. Learn from history or you are doomed to repeat it.

Nope. They were right in some areas, they were prepared, they have the means, but letting it become such a big deal was NOT good planning.

If this was a spanish flu repeat, we would be looking at a billion dead, but most of them from collateral.

When it comes to DEADLY stuff, sure go on and over-react, but this wasn't one

 

[cHodAX]

Nope. They were right in some areas, they were prepared, they have the means, but letting it become such a big deal was NOT good planning.

If this was a spanish flu repeat, we would be looking at a billion dead, but most of them from collateral.

When it comes to DEADLY stuff, sure go on and over-react, but this wasn't one

3% of the worlds population died of Spanish flu but upto 30% of the population were infected. So what 1 in 10 infected died? With 7 billion people on the planet and a 90% infection rate due to the speed and frequency of modern day travel, then take into account Spanish Flu being much more deadly against people with strong immune systems (hence 15-45 year old demographic most at risk) so countrys with massive populations of young people such as Brazil, most of Africa, Indian sub-continent and Asia would see HUGE losses amongst the people that drive thier economies and feed the less able. It is would be a disaster of epic proportions.

The world economy would go into freefall, hundreds of millions more would die from the knock on effects of that.

No, the governments were 100% correct regardless of the cost and inconvience. It is better to be scared of something that has a real possibility of occuring rather than burying your head in the sand, saving some money and hoping it just goes away.

 

[cHodAX]

When it comes to DEADLY stuff, sure go on and over-react, but this wasn't one

Rubbish, you don't have the medical background to make claims like that. People far cleverer, more informed and experienced advised the worlds governments that this was a massive threat to our way of life. It only needed to make one mutation that would have took it from pandemic to end of the world for homosapiens.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Rubbish, you don't have the medical background to make claims like that. People far cleverer, more informed and experienced advised the worlds governments that this was a massive threat to our way of life. It only needed to make one mutation that would have took it from pandemic to end of the world for homosapiens.

Actually by looking at statistics, anyone can see that this wasn't as dangerous as the spanish flu.

About your first post, i never disputed that another spanish flu wouldn't be deadly.

Government wasn't 100% correct like i said. They were prepared and seems they are prepared for a dangerous pandemic(even if the ready status is disputable), but this went too far and wasn't controlled.

 

[Trem]

A colleague on my team at work died because of complications from it that lingered for months. He was 27.

His funeral was last Friday. There were about 20 people from my work there.

I'm sorry to hear that, I really am, but do you think he would of made it if he had regular flu which kills countless thousands each year?

Normal flu is a bastard but that never gets publicity like the pork flu did. It was made into what it was to sell papers and to sell drugs. Yes I am glad we had stockpiles of Tamiflu etc, especially seeing as my wife was pregnant at the height of the panic, she was offered the jab and refused it. Anyone remember the *new* jab that was given/offered to pregnant women to help morning sickness and it caused the babies to be born with thalidamide (sp).

 

[MYstIC G]

A colleague on my team at work died because of complications from it that lingered for months. He was 27.

His funeral was last Friday. There were about 20 people from my work there.

I missed that last post. Sorry for your loss Roo.

 

[Jeros]

Sorry to hear that Roo

Regardless of the outcome its always best to be prepared.

I was under the impression that it killed a few healthy people too?

 

[Scouse]

Nope. They were right in some areas, they were prepared, they have the means, but letting it become such a big deal was NOT good planning.

Disagree.

The planning and preparation were spot-on.

It's completely media bollocks that was the problem.

 

[Scouse]

Actually by looking at statistics, anyone can see that this wasn't as dangerous as the spanish flu

Bollocks Toht. The scientists didn't know. Flu tends to be not severe first time out with a double hit, the second of which can be catastrophically different.

Nobody knew. Best to be prepared.

 

[cHodAX]

Actually by looking at statistics, anyone can see that this wasn't as dangerous as the spanish flu.

About your first post, i never disputed that another spanish flu wouldn't be deadly.

Government wasn't 100% correct like i said. They were prepared and seems they are prepared for a dangerous pandemic(even if the ready status is disputable), but this went too far and wasn't controlled.

The whole point is that with a mass infection there is a high probability of a far more deadly strain mutating. You cannot let these viruses run wild, the potential for mutation from a killer virus to an utterly lethal virus is very very high when you have millions of infections.

For once the governments didn't let us down, give credit where credit is due.

 

[cHodAX]

I missed that last post. Sorry for your loss Roo.

Indeed, me too, very sorry Roo and also sad for your loss bud.

 

[cHodAX]

Bollocks Toht. The scientists didn't know. Flu tends to be not severe first time out with a double hit, the second of which can be catastrophically different.

Nobody knew. Best to be prepared.

Thank christ someone gets it, Spanish flu was utterly lethal when the second wave hit. It crippled economies worldwide for months and would do far more damage this time around. We cannot afford to ever let something like that happen again, we won't get a second chance like we did after Spanish flu.