Asylum Seekers; Yay or Nay?

[Gwadien]

The UK is not doing enough here end of. Increase taxation by 2% at the highest level to cover the cost... It's not like you are taxed at a high level anyway on income in the UK... So Rodney and hyacinth won't be able to have their new boat / car / holiday home for an extra year.... I know that humanitarian aid has been sent... But to whom and how was it used... These fellow humans don't need 'aid' they need homes and safe passage to them...

Politics doe.

 

[Bodhi]

You're right we should do more - about the cause of the migration, not the symptoms. I mean it's all very well saying let's take in 10,000 refugees, but what do you do when number 10,001 turns up?

I'm increasingly beginning to think that, whilst our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have contributed to this mess, so has our inaction in Syria.

 

[old.user4556]

I blame a fair chunk on that fucking cunt Blair The War Criminal.

Serious question here though - all this talk of doing more to help, all this talk of giving beds and houses in Iceland - what are the UK and Iceland doing about those in their own countries who are homeless or desperately need shelter? Is it right to give homes to refugees first? I know it sounds a bit Devil's Advocate, but in the face of "ZOMGS" on Facebook and Twitter, it's a genuine concern.

 

[Job]

The genetic differences between caucasians can be far greater than the difference between caucasian..asian..mongoloid and negro.
So you're white mate could be further genetically from you than a negro Nigerian.
We are all homosapiens and can interbreed with no problems, the differences are genetically superficial....our biggest differences by a huge mile are our beliefs and culture and they are the most difficult to deal with....skin colour and appearance is quickly forgotten, but we tend to dislike a different approach to behaviour for much longer..possibly even permanently.
Race is a joke word and should be phased out because there is no such thing...how the fuck are we going to move on if the first problem is a total lie.

 

[Trem]

Sweden has 34,000 people registered homeless, England has 112,070 registered homeless. Just in case anyone was wondering.

https://www.homelessworldcup.org/homelessness-statistics/#europe

 

[old.user4556]

Sweden has 34,000 people registered homeless, England has 112,070 registered homeless. Just in case anyone was wondering.

https://www.homelessworldcup.org/homelessness-statistics/#europe

It's the elephant in the room - homeless people, some of whom are homeless through simple life circumstance, die a lot younger and living on the streets of London - noone bats an eye. One dead child on the front of the Independent and everyone loses their mind.

Yes, it's fucking tragic, but before everyone starts throwing around "the UK do fuck all for these immigrants", they also do fuck all for a lot of other people that need it.

 

[Job]

This sketch from Harry Enfield is just pure class and so refreshing to see innocent prejudice laid out in full view...you will cringe, because of PC brainwashing.

Ruddy Hell It's Harry and Paul:
View: http://youtu.be/sEEx3oUuiII

 

[Gwadien]

Can we get a mod to verify the posts that @Job makes?

They're totally irrelevant.

 

[DaGaffer]

The genetic differences between caucasians can be far greater than the difference between caucasian..asian..mongoloid and negro.
So you're white mate could be further genetically from you than a negro Nigerian.
We are all homosapiens and can interbreed with no problems, the differences are genetically superficial....our biggest differences by a huge mile are our beliefs and culture and they are the most difficult to deal with....skin colour and appearance is quickly forgotten, but we tend to dislike a different approach to behaviour for much longer..possibly even permanently.
Race is a joke word and should be phased out because there is no such thing...how the fuck are we going to move on if the first problem is a total lie.

What? I don't have a problem with your second paragraph but the first is flat wrong. Something like 97% of human genetic diversity is inside Africa. The rest of us are basically genetically identical, but there's bigger diversity between some guy in Mali and another bloke the next village over than you and someone from Beijing.

 

[Job]

Er, you've just agreed with what I said.

 

[old.user4556]

What? I don't have a problem with your second paragraph but the first is flat wrong. Something like 97% of human genetic diversity is inside Africa. The rest of us are basically genetically identical, but there's bigger diversity between some guy in Mali and another bloke the next village over than you and someone from Beijing.

Hold that thought Gaff, I have a question about that for another thread.

 

[DaGaffer]

What? I don't have a problem with your second paragraph but the first is flat wrong. Something like 97% of human genetic diversity is inside Africa. The rest of us are basically genetically identical, but there's bigger diversity between some guy in Mali and another bloke the next village over than you and someone from Beijing.

No, you got it 100% the wrong way around. "So you're (sic) white mate could be further genetically from you than a negro Nigerian", no, he couldn't.

 

[Trem]

Can we get a mod to verify the posts that @Job makes?

They're totally irrelevant.

No.

Most of the mods do irrelevant posts as well.

We need it, we need the stirring pot of all sorts of people on here. We tried it before (sanitising) and it was horrendous (*cough* Game *cough*). Trust me, it's for the best*







*possibly

 

[old.user4556]

Sometimes misinformed, meaningless and inaccurate opinions are required to debunk the psyche of the great unwashed and poorly educated.

 

[Yoni]

Sweden has 34,000 people registered homeless, England has 112,070 registered homeless. Just in case anyone was wondering.

https://www.homelessworldcup.org/homelessness-statistics/#europe

So Sweden have a higher percentage per population and still have managed to take 40k Syrian refugees ( I said 30 yesterday I believe the source I used was wrong). I do not believe that the figure quoted here includes in Roma beggers either...

As I said increase taxation % of the top tax bracket after a year no one will notice... I feel quite ashamed at the moment to be of British nationality, but happy that the taxes I have paid since 2011 have been contributing towards the 40k refugees in Sweden.

For those who aren't aware everyone pays tax here at 30% except for the firs 13100 Sek middle earners pay 50% and at about 59k gbp and higher you pay 55%. It's wierd but nobody moans about it either....

 

[Trem]

Aye I realise we have a higher population @Yoni was just putting the figures up there.

Lots of towns around here have the police taking sleeping bags off the homeless people to discourage them from sleeping *there* some of those people die. That upsets me.....ok, that upsets me more than what we are talking about here. I'm sorry but it does.

Edit - those homeless people could be English, Afghan, Syrian, etc. But they are already here and are homeless and in peril.

 

[Yoni]

Aye I realise we have a higher population @Yoni was just putting the figures up there.

Lots of towns around here have the police taking sleeping bags off the homeless people to discourage them from sleeping *there* some of those people die. That upsets me.....ok, that upsets me more than what we are talking about here. I'm sorry but it does.

Edit - those homeless people could be English, Afghan, Syrian, etc. But they are already here and are homeless and in peril.

I agree but I don't live in a society like that anymore and next year if I am sucessful I won't have to come back to it ever... Sweden isn't perfect what country is but they seem to be getting most of the basics right.

 

[Gwadien]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/sep/03/bayern-munich-donate-migrants

Society isn't dead

 

[Embattle]

I love the naivety of those who believe that increasing a tax will end up with more money in the UK, especially those in your proposed tax band who often have the easiest job of avoiding them.

The Germans aren't exactly accepting more refugees for totally altruistic reasons, but then they aren't exactly alone in this when it comes to accepting or refusing refugees.

 

[Gwadien]

Aye I realise we have a higher population @Yoni was just putting the figures up there.

Lots of towns around here have the police taking sleeping bags off the homeless people to discourage them from sleeping *there* some of those people die. That upsets me.....ok, that upsets me more than what we are talking about here. I'm sorry but it does.

Edit - those homeless people could be English, Afghan, Syrian, etc. But they are already here and are homeless and in peril.

I dislike this attitude.

Frankly, the amount of right-wing groups which post 'WE SHOULD HELP OUR PEOPLE BEFORE WE HELP FOREIGN PEOPLE'

Our people aren't running away from a conflict which has nothing to do with them.

You'll find with a large amount of the homeless people in the UK that they've usually severed all means of help, usually out of pride, but sometimes due to drugs and stuff - You can stay here for free, if you lay off the drugs - nah! - Then you're out.

It's tough love, and it's the method that we've decided to adopt towards drugs - not to go down any further down this route and derail this anymore, but if you look at places like France (I think it was) where they have 'legal' drug taking areas for people so they don't end up killing their selves in the process.

Besides, even if the Government did say look, we want to help our people before we help foreigners - as if that would actually happen, LOL.

If the Syrians were in Syria saying 'We're coming to the UK, we need help' then I'd be more open for a discussion on it, but the fact is, they're on our fucking doorstep, even more so because of Europe - If you agree with the concept of 'Europe' we should make a stand as 'The West' and actually help these people, we seem to make very quick decisions to send jets to bomb these far away countries to 'help people', but we seem to not like even talking about helping people without military means, we're not a full Country, that is total bullshit.

The Germans seem to be accepting these people with a smile on their face, why are we so hostile?

Why is this a political issue? We're not socialist to help other human beings.

 

[Embattle]

You seem to be ignoring the simple reality when dealing with the UK (Mainly England), there has been a growing group who are making more noise about the version of 'Europe' you seem to referencing.

 

[Yoni]

I love the naivety of those who believe that increasing a tax will end up with more money in the UK, especially those in your proposed tax band who often have the easiest job of avoiding them.

The Germans aren't exactly accepting more refugees for totally altruistic reasons, but then they aren't exactly alone in this when it comes to accepting or refusing refugees.

I am the one propagating this and whilst I lived in the UK I paid tax at the highest rate and would have gladly paid at a rate 2% higher... I now pay tax 15% higher and I don't think in any of my posts on this thread I have complained about that either....

 

[Gwadien]

You seem to be ignoring the simple reality when dealing with the UK (Mainly England), there has been a growing group who are making more noise about the version of 'Europe' you seem to referencing.

The same groups that claim they're not racist?

Anti-Europe

Anti-Islam

It has NOTHING to do with this crisis, absolutely N O T H I N G

Let's stop making it about Islam & Europe please.

 

[Job]

When you have our right wing UKIP leader saying we should take in Syrian refugees, then something needs to be done fast, but Cameron is playing the waiting game, quite often these things get sorted...some other crisis pops up...no need to commit to anything.

But yes, I would call myself anti Islam, because it is a brainwashing, mass cult, I don't respect their beliefs anymore than the guy down the road who thinks women shouldn't be educated or drive....oh hang on, he's a muslim.

What the Syrians need to do is stop referring to allah and shit, take off the headscarves and push their pretty young European looking girls without headscarves to the front, cos those are the images the western media use to make the refugees more acceptable to westerners.

 

[Embattle]

You are a minority in actual terms but a majority in statement terms since that majority of those who say such things would probably look for ways to decrease their tax liabilities via loopholes etc which is easy enough in the UK which isn't like the Nordic countries when it comes to tax, although I know enough people from them who bitch about tax rates like other people....especially Norwegians.

 

[Trem]

I dislike this attitude.

Frankly, the amount of right-wing groups which post 'WE SHOULD HELP OUR PEOPLE BEFORE WE HELP FOREIGN PEOPLE'

Our people aren't running away from a conflict which has nothing to do with them.

You'll find with a large amount of the homeless people in the UK that they've usually severed all means of help, usually out of pride, but sometimes due to drugs and stuff - You can stay here for free, if you lay off the drugs - nah! - Then you're out.

It's tough love, and it's the method that we've decided to adopt towards drugs - not to go down any further down this route and derail this anymore, but if you look at places like France (I think it was) where they have 'legal' drug taking areas for people so they don't end up killing their selves in the process.

Besides, even if the Government did say look, we want to help our people before we help foreigners - as if that would actually happen, LOL.

If the Syrians were in Syria saying 'We're coming to the UK, we need help' then I'd be more open for a discussion on it, but the fact is, they're on our fucking doorstep, even more so because of Europe - If you agree with the concept of 'Europe' we should make a stand as 'The West' and actually help these people, we seem to make very quick decisions to send jets to bomb these far away countries to 'help people', but we seem to not like even talking about helping people without military means, we're not a full Country, that is total bullshit.

The Germans seem to be accepting these people with a smile on their face, why are we so hostile?

Why is this a political issue? We're not socialist to help other human beings.

Oh dear, read it again.

We should help *whoever* is already here and in peril first. How is adding more to that helping anyone, including the ones we take? It puts more strain on resources and will cause more alienation and resentment. Say it won't, which you will but this country is not filled with skippy fairy dream pixies, it is filled with angry poor people, none caring rich people and those in between but the sad fact is each and every one of them cares about themselves and no one else.

 

[Gwadien]

When you have our right wing UKIP leader saying we should take in Syrian refugees, then something needs to be done fast, but Cameron is playing the waiting game, quite often these things get sorted...some other crisis pops up...no need to commit to anything.

But yes, I would call myself anti Islam, because it is a brainwashing, mass cult, I don't respect their beliefs anymore than the guy down the road who thinks women shouldn't be educated or drive....oh hang on, he's a muslim.

But this isn't a Islam issue.

 

[old.user4556]

I dislike this attitude.

Frankly, the amount of right-wing groups which post 'WE SHOULD HELP OUR PEOPLE BEFORE WE HELP FOREIGN PEOPLE'

Our people aren't running away from a conflict which has nothing to do with them.

Right, just so I know, people dying in our own streets is different / less important than people dying on Syrian streets?

Please remember the context of my post - across social media, the uneducated bandwagon jumpers are like "ZOMFG DEAD CHILD" without ever giving two shites about people lying in their own street.

Also, another comment about the social media armchair philanthropists - are you going to give up your spare bedroom to a couple of migrants? I didn't think so, so you want people to help, but as long as it's not you.

 

[Embattle]

The same groups that claim they're not racist?

Anti-Europe

Anti-Islam

It has NOTHING to do with this crisis, absolutely N O T H I N G

Let's stop making it about Islam & Europe please.

You might want to stop first then Lefty.

If the Syrians were in Syria saying 'We're coming to the UK, we need help' then I'd be more open for a discussion on it, but the fact is, they're on our fucking doorstep, even more so because of Europe - If you agree with the concept of 'Europe' we should make a stand as 'The West' and actually help these people, we seem to make very quick decisions to send jets to bomb these far away countries to 'help people', but we seem to not like even talking about helping people without military means, we're not a full Country, that is total bullshit.

 

[DaGaffer]

So Sweden have a higher percentage per population and still have managed to take 40k Syrian refugees ( I said 30 yesterday I believe the source I used was wrong). I do not believe that the figure quoted here includes in Roma beggers either...

As I said increase taxation % of the top tax bracket after a year no one will notice... I feel quite ashamed at the moment to be of British nationality, but happy that the taxes I have paid since 2011 have been contributing towards the 40k refugees in Sweden.

For those who aren't aware everyone pays tax here at 30% except for the firs 13100 Sek middle earners pay 50% and at about 59k gbp and higher you pay 55%. It's wierd but nobody moans about it either....

You don't need to increase taxation at all. Asylum seekers only get £35 a week and most of them, despite what UKIP might tell you, would prefer to work anyway (they're actively prevented from doing so until given leave to remain, which can take months). There are plenty of strong arguments for increasing the top rate of tax, paying for a relatively small number of asylum seekers isn't one of them.