Asylum Seekers; Yay or Nay?

[throdgrain]

I don't like em much either

 

[Gwadien]

5 visits today...every single one from posh young girl to 87 year old middle class woman started on muslims with 10 mins, first guy was a cooling engineer for the US Army, his house was full of hp pipes, condensors and fridges.
He had just come back from Afghanistan and a load of other places out there, he had the pictures on his phone, not bullshitter.
But jesus he hated muslims, a fifteen minute rant about how disgusting they are, never had an opinion before he said, but after working and living with them in their own country he was practically suggesting culling them.
This was a skilled, educated man in his fifties and boy did he hate them.

He was in the US Army.

Educated?

Lol.

 

[Job]

No, he worked for them as a civilian.
He was also on base when an Afghan soldier shot two marines, it was about 50m from him and he said fuck any heroics, he just dived behind a wall and shit himself.

 

[Lakih]

5 visits today...every single one from posh young girl to 87 year old middle class woman started on muslims with 10 mins, first guy was a cooling engineer for the US Army, his house was full of hp pipes, condensors and fridges.
He had just come back from Afghanistan and a load of other places out there, he had the pictures on his phone, not bullshitter.
But jesus he hated muslims, a fifteen minute rant about how disgusting they are, never had an opinion before he said, but after working and living with them in their own country he was practically suggesting culling them.
This was a skilled, educated man in his fifties and boy did he hate them.

Did you wear your "I hate muslims" t-shirt to work?

 

[Job]

I,m the tolerant one, seriously people are angry...the kind of pikeys have moved in next door and are shitting in their back garden..kind of angry.

 

[Talivar]

Your posts dont come across as tolerant, most of what you say comes across as fuel for a set point of view while playing the "Im just the messenger" card.

 

[Gwadien]

Your posts dont come across as tolerant, most of what you say comes across as fuel for a set point of view while playing the "Im just the messenger" card.

He's waiting for a time where he can post loads of opinions and then he can justify his own point of view.

@Job if you were tolerant then people wouldn't talk to you about it, being straight islamaphobic is a difficult conversation to strike up with someone who isn't willing to talk about it.

 

[Job]

True, but in the area where I live and work...say 20 mike radius, muslims are non existant, so very few have actually met any beyond shop owners, they base their anger on the media and feel comfortable sharing it with me because I am very unlikely to have any as friends.
Firstly I'm not going to start an argument with someone who's paying me and also I DO agree with peoples concern about a mass medieval cult taking root.

 

[Gwadien]

True, but in the area where I live and work...say 20 mike radius, muslims are non existant, so very few have actually met any beyond shop owners, they base their anger on the media and feel comfortable sharing it with me because I am very unlikely to have any as friends.
Firstly I'm not going to start an argument with someone who's paying me and also I DO agree with peoples concern about a mass medieval cult taking root.

You're basically a living embodiment of the daily mail - spout bullshit which is tainted with your political views and try and pass it off as factual and you're unbias.

 

[Scouse]

They're not striking up conversations unprompted. You're the one bringing it up. And as you say - none of these people know muslims, so what they need is a good dose of immigration right next door to cure them of their ass hattery

 

[Gwadien]

'Fucking Muslims' said John as he dipped his Naan into his curry

 

[Bodhi]

'Fucking Muslims' said John as he dipped his Naan into his curry

Being served with Naan Bread I will assume this is an Indian curry? You know a curry from India where most of the population are Hindu?

I'd suggest a Doner Kebab might have been a better example.

 

[DaGaffer]

Being served with Naan Bread I will assume this is an Indian curry? You know a curry from India where most of the population are Hindu?

I'd suggest a Doner Kebab might have been a better example.

Tons of Indian takeaways are run by Muslims; Brick Lane is the most obvious example, being mostly Bangladeshis, but also Bradford and Birmingham. In fact the very first Indian restaurant in the UK was opened by a Muslim.

 

[Gwadien]

Being served with Naan Bread I will assume this is an Indian curry? You know a curry from India where most of the population are Hindu?

I'd suggest a Doner Kebab might have been a better example.

Yeah, I live in Leicester, you know, the place with an absolute shit loads of Hindus, and the vast majority of restaurants here are ran by Muslims.

Food is a cultural thing, not a religious thing.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah, I live in Leicester, you know, the place with an absolute shit loads of Hindus, and the vast majority of restaurants here are ran by Muslims.

Food is a cultural thing, not a religious thing.

I couldn't give a rats ass who owns the restaurant, I'm talking about where the food is from.

Incidentally, you'll probably find a large proportion of that country don't like Muslims very much, but hey I guess they're all Daily Mail readers as well.

But then if food is a cultural thing rather than a religious thing, what does it matter if someone doesn't like Muslims but enjoys a curry?

 

[Gwadien]

I couldn't give a rats ass who owns the restaurant, I'm talking about where the food is from.

Incidentally, you'll probably find a large proportion of that country don't like Muslims very much, but hey I guess they're all Daily Mail readers as well.

But then if food is a cultural thing rather than a religious thing, what does it matter if someone doesn't like Muslims but enjoys a curry?

I knew you'd say that.

Curries that we eat in the UK are from mainly the North of India, which has a large Muslim & Sikh population, we rarely eat South Indian food, hence why there's new niche restaraunts such as Kayal which focuses on making traditional Indian food.

My point is that British Currys were invented for white people and it comes from areas with high amounts of muslims.

Oh, and the fact that people will order a 'cheeky takeaway' where some dirty muslim guy has been preparing it

 

[Job]

They're not striking up conversations unprompted. You're the one bringing it up. And as you say - none of these people know muslims, so what they need is a good dose of immigration right next door to cure them of their ass hattery

I never bring it up, don't lime starting conversations..just slows down the job, as usual they throw daily mail bigot at me...is that all you have..really?

 

[DaGaffer]

Being served with Naan Bread I will assume this is an Indian curry? You know a curry from India where most of the population are Hindu?

I'd suggest a Doner Kebab might have been a better example.

Pedantry aside, Gwadian has a valid point; most people get their opinions from The Ladybird Book of Prejudices without really understand anything about the people or culture they're prejudiced against. As it happens my formative experiences of muslims were all, no exception, catastrophically bad, frankly in ways that could have sent me in to the arms of the BNP if I was that way inclined, but making decisions based on low, or no, sample size is usually a really bad idea, so now I have a broader range of experience and don't make the mistake of thinking every brown person who kneels east wants to simultaneously claim housing benefit and blow me up.

I still think Islam is a really terrible belief system and Saudi Arabia is just about the worst country on Earth, but at least I've made the effort to find out why rather than getting my opinion from The Daily Mail/Fox News, like most people in the West.

 

[Raven]

'Fucking Muslims' said John as he dipped his Naan into his curry

What has India got to do with anything? We are discussing Muslims here, not a racial group. You know all races have groups of Muslims...right? White, black, Asian...even the Chinese have Muslims.

Its this confusion between race and religion amongst the easily offended that is half the problem.

Oh, and the fact that people will order a 'cheeky takeaway' where some dirty muslim guy has been preparing it

Again, you seem to be confused here too. I don't think anyone has said they are dirty, or have a particular problem with people have they? Where food comes from is meaningless, who prepares food is meaningless.

Islam is a vile religion and frankly anyone who freely follows it should get in the sea. That being said, just because someone is a Muslim doesn't mean they are bad at making food. They would prepare food to the same standard if they weren't swivel headed.

 

[Gwadien]

I'm in the same boat as DaGaffer.

I dislike Islam as the next person, growing up in a very multi-ethnic area, you can tell who is Muslim and who isn't purely by the way they behave and their mannerisms, that being said, it's mainly characteristic traits, they're not stabbing people, or killing people or telling people to convert.

They cause as much harm as any other follower of any religion in Leicester from my personal experience, finding in where they're a majority (college and stuff) they're actually the 'whitest' people around.

Where I draw the line is at when our country is 'truly' changed due to Islam, currently? - No, we're accepting other faiths, and that's fucking excellent. It's not like your 'ma is being forced to wear a burqa. (The only time this happened was when those lads in London enforced the 'Muslim only' area, and were consequently arrested. If your 'ma is forced to wear a burqa, I'll be the first one contesting it.

However, I am a strong non-believer (ha) in tough love, I don't see how we'll manage to assimilate (Which is the ONLY solution to this 'problem' unless you consider genocide a solution of course) I believe (And the right wingers, daily mail reader, patriots, defenders of the Christian faith, normal people, or what ever the fuck tags [I hate tags] you want or are bestowed onto you will be completely oppositional to this) that the best course of action is not to scream and shout at 2 billion people when a minority of them are cunts, it doesn't work, and all it does is piss off the ones that are nice, and within time, they'll drop their religion, like all the 3rd/4th generation Muslims I know have.

@Raven it was a continuation of what Scouse was saying... You know, they offer nothing but their backwards religion, dunno, foods nice.

 

[Raven]

@Raven it was a continuation of what Scouse was saying... You know, they offer nothing but their backwards religion, dunno, foods nice.

Yeah but religion doesn't matter when the food is concerned, neither does personal hygiene.

Anyway, the freaks don't eat bacon ffs.

 

[Gwadien]

Yeah but religion doesn't matter when the food is concerned, neither does personal hygiene.

Anyway, the freaks don't eat bacon ffs.

Considering what I said about our amazing curries in the UK are a mixture of all different cultures, which religion DOES inspire, since communities>religion>culture>food.

 

[Raven]

In a vague sort of a way. A country's menu is more in tune with the availability of food more than religion. Except in the case of lack of ingredients, pork to Muslims, Beef to Hundus etc

European food isn't Christian food.

 

[Gwadien]

In a vague sort of a way. A country's menu is more in tune with the availability of food more than religion. Except in the case of lack of ingredients, pork to Muslims, Beef to Hundus etc

European food isn't Christian food.

Europe's different though.

India has different menus across the entire country, and those particular foods are different according to areas, and the 'key' areas are usually dominated by particular religions.

 

[Raven]

Yes but the religion itself does not dictate what people ate day to day, except in the case of missing ingredients, what people could grow and what was available in any particular region dictates what people traditionally ate.

Europe has all sorts of different local cuisine because of culture and the food available in that particular area, as much of a variety as Asia and the Middle East.

Besides "traditional" Indian cuisine is mostly boring anyway.

Anyway, it's going off on a tangent. You can dislike Islam and still enjoy food from the region without any hypocrisy.

 

[Job]

It's not muslims for me but belief, I would be equally concerned to see millions of right wing god fearing Christians swamp Europe.
The very fact that billions of people have been brainwashed by a bullshit story that they actively base their lives around worries me..in fact it scares the shit out of me...we are importing god zombies into a secular world.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yes but the religion itself does not dictate what people ate day to day, except in the case of missing ingredients, what people could grow and what was available in any particular region dictates what people traditionally ate.

Europe has all sorts of different local cuisine because of culture and the food available in that particular area, as much of a variety as Asia and the Middle East.

Besides "traditional" Indian cuisine is mostly boring anyway.

Anyway, it's going off on a tangent. You can dislike Islam and still enjoy food from the region without any hypocrisy.

Probably not. The food prohibitions, with possibly the exception of alcohol, are all a function of climate; pork and shellfish are more dodgy in hot climates so its not surprise religion was used as an excuse to stop people eating them. (By extension, Hindu ideas of reincarnation are a handy way to encourage vegetarianism) Its also almost certainly why one day a week fasting was a thing; to keep winter food stocks longer. Religion has had a big influence over dietary habits.

Also, let's be honest, there's no such thing as truly local food anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, especially in Europe, where we've been importing from around our various empires for 500 years. Chip, anyone?

 

[Scouse]

I never bring it up, don't lime starting conversations..just slows down the job, as usual they throw daily mail bigot at me...is that all you have..really?

Sorry Job. I just don't believe you. No way twenty people in a row went 'well then... Muslims!' unbidden or un-nudged.

 

[Job]

You are living in a bubble of correctness, I would never hear such talk when working in an office or any public workspace...but one on one in the privacy of their homes, the frustration just pours out, I NEVER start conversations about anything controversial when invited into someones house, it quite simply is the biggest concern for most people, whipped up by the media..

 

[Scouse]

Shame on those poor coddled idiots from whiteland then...