Asylum Seekers; Yay or Nay?

[Job]

We'll neither of us know what the people really think, obviously Merkel has to spout the official line, but maybe the masses are feeling her appeasement means she no longer represents them.

 

[Scouse]

@Raven - I was talking about George W Bush. Quite clearly (as it was his picture I posted). So, just give it up, whatever, I don't really care...

Anyway:

Completely agree, however we cannot ignore the long nosed mammal in the room - not everyone who made the walk to Germany was a poor downtrodden refugee, there were an awful lot of economic migrants and chancers came along as well

This is where we differ - I don't give a monkeys about people wanting to make a better life for themselves. I can out-compete them because I continually educate myself - and if I lose a job to them then that's my own fault. Competition is what capitalism's about eh?

Just to repost about economic migration:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQQgb5hXQGU

 

[Scouse]

We'll neither of us know what the people really think, obviously Merkel has to spout the official line, but maybe the masses are feeling her appeasement means she no longer represents them.

Some people do. But not "the masses".

UKIP supporters and mail readers. And the day I give a shit what those sort of people think - enough to have to take what they think seriously - is the day I emigrate 'cause Britain will be utterly fucked.

 

[DaGaffer]

Some people do. But not "the masses".

UKIP supporters and mail readers. And the day I give a shit what those sort of people think - enough to have to take what they think seriously - is the day I emigrate 'cause Britain will be utterly fucked.

Sadly I do think xenophobic sentiment is moving into the mainstream; until the next tragedy (entire boatload of kids gets washed up etc.) and then things will move back for a while. Not just the UK either; I'm seeing it here and Ireland is barely touched by migration.

 

[Scouse]

Sadly I do think xenophobic sentiment is moving into the mainstream

Yeah. And the irony is that the xenophobes don't really get who they're turning into...

 

[Jupitus]

Completely agree, however we cannot ignore the long nosed mammal in the room

I didn't see @Deebs post?? Did he delete it??

 

[Job]

Watching the Mayor of Cologne on TV and the worry is a split between right and left over the issue, that usually leads to a bad place..

 

[Bodhi]

Reports of a Snackbar Operation in Turkey now. Oh joy.

 

[Raven]

Reports of a Snackbar Operation in Turkey now. Oh joy.

OMGRACIALIST!

 

[Gwadien]

Reports of a Snackbar Operation in Turkey now. Oh joy.

Parents were there a few weeks ago.

Pretty safe they said.

 

[Scouse]

Hmmm...

Turkey has already identified a foreign national from "body parts"?

 

[DaGaffer]

Hmmm...

Turkey has already identified a foreign national from "body parts"?

Hand, fingerprint, not that big a deal.

 

[Scouse]

Hand, fingerprint, not that big a deal.

So Turkey has instant access to all of Syria's fingerprint information, and he was printed previously and that was shared?

Maybe...

 

[Raven]

If he was someone that had been seen by Turkish police previously on some miner charge.

Probably...

 

[DaGaffer]

So Turkey has instant access to all of Syria's fingerprint information, and he was printed previously and that was shared?

Maybe...

Turkey introduced mandatory fingerprint scanners at immigration last year.

 

[Bodhi]

If he was someone that had been seen by Turkish police previously on some miner charge.

Probably...

Cruelty to canaries?

 

[Raven]

Jesus fucking christ.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35300262

(And to the cerebrally challenged, no, posting the story in no way means I support it)

I can't even understand how it has even got to the point of being debated, let alone conceived.

 

[DaGaffer]

Jesus fucking christ.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35300262

(And to the cerebrally challenged, no, posting the story in no way means I support it)

I can't even understand how it has even got to the point of being debated, let alone conceived.

Why? What possible purpose would it serve?

 

[Raven]

Fuck only knows, some freakish method to off-set the cost of housing them or something. Utter madness.

 

[Gwadien]

Why? What possible purpose would it serve?

Because they're wealthy people.

 

[Scouse]

More like, there's a load of far-right groups in Denmark with increasing influence, just like the rest of Europe

 

[Ormorof]

The logic is that the same rules apply to danes receiving long term state unemployment aid but the original plans to seize wedding rings and such was a little crazy

But hey they already endured hardship to get to denmark what's a little robbery gonna hurt

 

[Raven]

None-beige people banned from swimming!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35326090

gawd

 

[Tom]

Turkey introduced mandatory fingerprint scanners at immigration last year.

I noticed that a few months ago when I went. I quite like Turkey, I didn't feel at all unsafe when I went. There were still dogs everywhere though.

 

[Embattle]

Lefties and liberals have certainly helped create the boost in far-right support through their silly utopian beliefs, of course it also tends to ring true even on these forums that if you aren't a lefty you are suddenly thrown towards the far-right category.

The simple fact is there are more people who don't want uncontrolled migration than those who view the world without any boarders.

 

[Job]

Seriously, take their jewellery?
I'm mean it's not like they may hide it somewhere beforehand.

 

[Scouse]

The simple fact is there are more people who don't want uncontrolled migration than those who view the world without any boarders.

I'd counter by saying that we all know and understand that 'majority' doesn't automatically mean that opinion is better.

You have to look at differing world views and see which have more merit.

Uncontrolled is a devisive word anyway - we don't have uncontrolled migration now. But it's used as a straw man argument to provide a base for an agenda by those who would like to further restrict migration...



Edit: And your assertion that the rise of the far right is somehow the left's fault is simply ludicrous. Humans find their own reasons to be bigoted prejudiced idiots on their own.

A good hard look at educational standards would be a start - as those opinions tend to go hand in hand with low educational achievement.

 

[Raven]

It's actually a fair point. If you don't believe in some utopian reality where everyone can live side by side the go-to argument of the left is that you are right wing, or poorly educated, as above... it's utter bullshit ofc and probably says more about the left than anything. Having an issue with over crowding or a population that is growing far too quickly for the infrastructure does not mean you are right wing, it just means you have thought about it.

Around here the demand for primary school places has exploded, a 40% increase in demand in 10 years Primary school allocations 'tough', It's D-Day For Primary School Places, Stuart Linnell at Breakfast - BBC Radio Northampton GPs are finding it hard to meet demand with many temporarily closing their books for new patients several times. The roads are gridlocked all the time, there is nothing for the young to do, you cannot just expand towns infinitely with shitty new housing estates.

Yes its easy to say, yeah just build more but it isn't as simple as that, it needs proper long term planning.

You also can't just take a huge group of people from a very different culture, dump them in a city and then forget about them. Maybe place them in an education centre for a while might be an idea? Teach them English, teach them what is acceptable.

One of the things we do well in the UK is accept people from other cultures, it's part of what we are, this should not be spoiled by a minority on either side of the debate, nor should it be spoiled by throwbacks who think a bit of sexual assault now and again is OK.

 

[Job]

5 visits today...every single one from posh young girl to 87 year old middle class woman started on muslims with 10 mins, first guy was a cooling engineer for the US Army, his house was full of hp pipes, condensors and fridges.
He had just come back from Afghanistan and a load of other places out there, he had the pictures on his phone, not bullshitter.
But jesus he hated muslims, a fifteen minute rant about how disgusting they are, never had an opinion before he said, but after working and living with them in their own country he was practically suggesting culling them.
This was a skilled, educated man in his fifties and boy did he hate them.

 

[Talivar]

A man who maybe at some point had to find ways to rationalize why he was being ordered to kill people while over there? , Presuming he ever did ofc (And i know hes an engineer but i also presume all members of the army train to fight and are called upon when needed)