Asylum Seekers; Yay or Nay?

[TdC]

Of course your average Joe Asylumseeker doesn't have an interest in doing away with his cultural heritage. Just like you don't. Things like that don't happen overnight you know. Consider a place like New York. They've been integrating immigrants there for nearly 400 years, and there are still 800 languages spoken and who knows how many religions practiced. Imo Islam isn't the problem at all.

 

[Scouse]

A threat to our way of life. The more I see, the more I think that Islam is the biggest threat to western civilisation ever

You should try a little time living in a 60% muslim area. The only thing they're a threat to is animal cruelty laws, and their kids are already coming round to our way of thinking...

 

[throdgrain]

You should try a little time living in a 60% muslim area. The only thing they're a threat to is animal cruelty laws, and their kids are already coming round to our way of thinking...

You don't know where I live??

 

[Tom]

A threat to our way of life. The more I see, the more I think that Islam is the biggest threat to western civilisation ever. Radical or not, for that matter.

I think the biggest threat is poor education.

 

[throdgrain]

I think the biggest threat is poor education.

Tony Blair bullshit reasoning

 

[Scouse]

You don't know where I live??

Spoiler

Here?

 

[throdgrain]

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Here?

You don't know whereabouts. You know fuck all about it, yet you have to claim you do.

 

[Scouse]

You don't know whereabouts. You know fuck all about it, yet you have to claim you do.

I don't know what that means throdlar old bean. Literally no idea.

I thought you lived in Crawley?

 

[DaGaffer]

I thnk the saying is 'So open minded your brain fell out'

It's not unintelligent, I think it is YOU who are failing to grasp/acknowledge the connection between immigrant behaviour and the feeling amongst most that it is endemic to their culture and given the chance they would all abuse women.
Right or wrong, that is what people think, I'm not presuming, the evidence is there in our reaction to it and you are not stupid enough to not see it yourself.

Except of course, they wouldn't. There's the danger of tarring millions of people with the same brush

There ain't as many. Stop doing the pc thing and splitting the conversation. You know what I'm on about. They come from a completely different culture to us. And unlike other immigrants over the years, they have no interest in changing to be more like us, quite the reverse.

You don't know that. While its obviously true for some, its probably not true for all, or even close to all. Most will want to keep their heads down and get on with their lives, just like most people everywhere.

The failure in Germany is policing. Women started reporting what was going on early in the evening on NYE, and the cops didn't show up, even as reports started to build up. If these people commit a crime, arrest them, lock them up, throw them out of the country, just don't assume the behaviour of a few automatically reflects the behaviour of the many.

 

[Job]

Now we blame the Police, or basically the Germans themselves for not being more prepared...and of course most people keep their head down, but one things start moving a huge wave of anger can swell up once people realise they won't be shamed for their thoughts.
I'm not entirely sure which hippy commune some people here live in, but I meet around 50 to a 100 people a week in their homes and at least half of them will strike up a conversation about muslims, it quite obviously is a very sore point for the working and middle classes, in the safety of their homes they love to get it off their chests to a stranger.

 

[DaGaffer]

Now we blame the Police, or basically the Germans themselves for not being more prepared...and of course most people keep their head down, but one things start moving a huge wave of anger can swell up once people realise they won't be shamed for their thoughts.
I'm not entirely sure which hippy commune some people here live in, but I meet around 50 to a 100 people a week in their homes and at least half of them will strike up a conversation about muslims, it quite obviously is a very sore point for the working and middle classes, in the safety of their homes they love to get it off their chests to a stranger.

No, you blame the police because public order is their fucking job. There are lots of ways organised gangs can operate at large public events; usually thieves (look up "steaming" for a relevant example), but also fighting and yes, sexual assaults, and they don't have to be brown to do it. The police didn't respond in Cologne at all.

 

[Job]

Because before rampant, unorganised immigration it wasn't a problem in Cologne and because most of the Police are now on border duty.

 

[DaGaffer]

Because before rampant, unorganised immigration it wasn't a problem in Cologne and because most of the Police are now on border duty.

Except it was, and that area has been regarded as unsafe at nighttime for donkeys years. And Cologne is about as far from the areas where asylum seekers are coming in as you can get, so nope.

 

[Raven]

They were desperately understaffed to deal with "up to" 1000 rampaging arseholes but aside from bringing in the water cannon at the last minute (on new years eve!) I don't think there was a massive amount that they could do.

It was poor planning I suppose but as has been seen in this thread, try and debate the issue and everyone starts foaming at the mouth about racism.

 

[throdgrain]

They were desperately understaffed to deal with "up to" 1000 rampaging arseholes but aside from bringing in the water cannon at the last minute (on new years eve!) I don't think there was a massive amount that they could do.

It was poor planning I suppose but as has been seen in this thread, try and debate the issue and everyone starts foaming at the mouth about racism.

They could get the water cannon out for the people demonstrating about it mind you

 

[throdgrain]

No, you blame the police because public order is their fucking job. There are lots of ways organised gangs can operate at large public events; usually thieves (look up "steaming" for a relevant example), but also fighting and yes, sexual assaults, and they don't have to be brown to do it. The police didn't respond in Cologne at all.

So, blame anyone else except the people who actually did it lol

 

[Scouse]

So, blame anyone else except the people who actually did it lol

@DaGaffer's not absolving criminals of criminality - but policing of events (when crimes are being reported) is the job of police - police who didn't do anything.

And, last time I looked, you're blaming a huge swathe of innocent brown people because a tiny number of them are criminals.

 

[Tom]

Tony Blair bullshit reasoning

Not really. A well-educated society tends not to hold medieval views.

 

[Raven]

Last time I checked, Islam is pretty medieval when it wants to be.

 

[Job]

The reality is...not your removed observation...that coming here from North Africa and molesting our women is practically an act of war, forget the context, this is the first shot fired.
Thrse criminals have ruined it for everyone, also the fact that they were firing roman candles into the crowd seems to have been played down, hoe much do you have to hate people to do that.

 

[Scouse]

The reality is...not your removed observation...that coming here from North Africa and molesting our women is practically an act of war, forget the context, this is the first shot fired.

Only nation states can declare war. Other than that it's pure criminality, to be dealt with by the police and courts...

Last time I checked, Islam is pretty medieval when it wants to be.

So is Christianity. And do you know what combatted that?

Yes, that's right. Education.

 

[Job]

Jeses scouse, your replys read like someone shouting. 'get off my lawn, thats protected grass' as the Zombies invade.
Real war isn't started by politicians sending a memo, firstly tbe people shoot the present government.

 

[Raven]

Only nation states can declare war. Other than that it's pure criminality, to be dealt with by the police and courts...


So is Christianity. And do you know what combatted that?

Yes, that's right. Education.

Yeah but no. Christianity has evolved, or at least Anglican Christianity has. Aside from some of the real eye swivelers, Christianity does not call for the death of people who leave the religion or the murder of bummers.

 

[Scouse]

Jeses scouse, your replys read like someone shouting. 'get off my lawn, thats protected grass'

Your replies don't sound like, but are retarded, outmoded, idiotic "molesting our women" neanderthal shite.

The level of tribal idiocy - knuckle dragging throwback to caveman emotional reaction to an unknown "threat" in this thread has grown to outstanding and amazing proportions.

It's the first time I've ever been ashamed to be on this board to be honest. What happened to intellect? I feel like I'm sharing a forum with a load of daily star level readers.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah but no. Christianity has evolved, or at least Anglican Christianity has. Aside from some of the real eye swivelers, Christianity does not call for the death of people who leave the religion or the murder of bummers.

So? Neither do the vast majority of muslims in the UK - apart from the real eye swivelers.

Education changed the christian eye swivellers - and the evidence of the past 60 years in the UK shows that education also changes the islamic eye swivellers.

The only threat that we're suffering from is that a load of knuckle dragging English throwbacks will drag us back into the dark ages of hatred and emotional knee-jerk reactions because they're afraid that a tiny handful of criminals pose a threat to "our women" and are intent on blaming all muslims for the actions of a tiny few.

But they're not being racist. Oh no. Shame on anyone "stifling debate" by making that accusation. In no way are they tarring an entire population for the actions of a minority. Their standpoint is based entirely on dispassionate reason and intellectual rigour.

FFS.

 

[throdgrain]

Not really. A well-educated society tends not to hold medieval views.

You're not going to educate Islam. It's going to educate you.

 

[throdgrain]

@DaGaffer's not absolving criminals of criminality - but policing of events (when crimes are being reported) is the job of police - police who didn't do anything.

And, last time I looked, you're blaming a huge swathe of innocent brown people because a tiny number of them are criminals.

Your problem Scouse is that you set high standards for yourself, and automatically assume that every one else will abide by them. The idea that you can allow 1 million poor , mostly Muslim, mostly male people into your country, then assume they will behave as you want, is rediculous.

 

[Raven]

So? Neither do the vast majority of muslims in the UK - apart from the real eye swivelers.

Education changed the christian eye swivellers - and the evidence of the past 60 years in the UK shows that education also changes the islamic eye swivellers.

The only threat that we're suffering from is that a load of knuckle dragging English throwbacks will drag us back into the dark ages of hatred and emotional knee-jerk reactions because they're afraid that a tiny handful of criminals pose a threat to "our women" and are intent on blaming all muslims for the actions of a tiny few.

But they're not being racist. Oh no. Shame on anyone "stifling debate" by making that accusation. In no way are they tarring an entire population for the actions of a minority. Their standpoint is based entirely on dispassionate reason and intellectual rigour.

FFS.

Bullshit. Ask any Imam what he thinks should happen to someone who "commits" Apostasy.

If anyone lives their life and judges others by such a bullshit religion then they deserve to be figuratively kicked in the balls now and again.

The fact that this vile religion even has such an opinion/set of guidence says it all.

 

[Scouse]

You're not going to educate Islam. It's going to educate you.

You're demonstrably wrong. We've huge numbers of muslims living perfectly peacefully in the UK and have done since world war 2. I've lived with them - and got along absolutely fine.

They integrate well, they work alongside us, they're friendly, they don't smell, when they're your neighbours they offer you food, invite you to their celebrations and make you laugh - just like any other section of society. And as time goes on they integrate better and better - the burkhas start disappearing, their girls go to our schools and hold down jobs in our economy.

They are converting to "our way of life" - and offer insights to way our way of life can be improved.

But those facts don't sell papers - so the focus is on a a tiny minority of people who look and dress differently from the rest of us - people we can point fingers at and go "bad".

Poorly educated white folk are the biggest problem in the UK. They're violent prejudiced morons. And @Tom is right - a better education is the start of the answer.

 

[throdgrain]

You couldn't see reality if it hit you in the face. And so you have to, by instinct go against what most people think, unconsciously no doubt to make a better impact. Islam will change this country. For the worse. Even moderate hahaha Muslims still believe in their religion first, above all else. You see less burkhas? Where do you get that from? Since when ? There were no burkhas at all in the 80s and now I see more and more every day.