Asylum Seekers; Yay or Nay?

[Ormorof]

Well asylum seekers are not allowed to work but will require lots of additional services and infrastructure so potentially an economic boost for wherever they end up

 

[Trem]

Well asylum seekers are not allowed to work but will require lots of additional services and infrastructure so potentially an economic boost for wherever they end up

But will also prove an additional strain on local services such as police due to the fact they aren't allowed to work?

 

[Ormorof]

But will also prove an additional strain on local services such as police due to the fact they aren't allowed to work?

True, the areas in question should receive funding to match increase in population but that would mean this will be a well planned asylum shelter program rather than a "dump them up north until the papers find some other thing to focus on" jobby

 

[Gwadien]

Leicester being a prime hotspot.

Not surprised but if it's random allocation, it's weird.

I mean, do they ask these people if they have relatives already in the UK etc?

 

[Job]

So we were the assholes for rejecting open borders for refugees...one week later the entire EU shuts up shop.

The EU moves in mysterious ways.

 

[SilverHood]

So we were the assholes for rejecting open borders for refugees...one week later the entire EU shuts up shop.

The EU moves in mysterious ways.

I think the breaking point for Germany was the fact that the population of Woking turned up at Munich train station in the space of a weekend all seeking asylum. Sweden has been doing this kind of insanity for a few years now, but even they appear to be close to the end.

The only way to stop the tide is to adopt Aussie Rules. No permanent stay for people entering the EU illegally. The policy of looking the other way when illegal migrants travel through your country also needs to end. Pay states to house them until their homeland stabilizes enough for them to return home.

I have no issues with assisting refugees, but my tax money should go to people that the UNHCR has designated as especially in need of asylum, not those who can afford to pay people $5,000 or $10,000 to cross an ocean on boat.

 

[Gwadien]

I have no issues with assisting refugees, but my tax money should go to people that the UNHCR has designated as especially in need of asylum, not those who can afford to pay people $5,000 or $10,000 to cross an ocean on boat.

They can't afford it.

That's like saying we shouldnt care about the Indians in the middle East because they can afford to pay a couple of grand to the mafias to get them to the middle East but then they're in a life of debt.

Also as I've said before this isn't some corrupt African nation. It's Syria, they're a wealthy nation, of course their people have money, it doesn't mean that their homes haven't been destroyed and are being threatened every day.

As for Aussie rules.

Let them realise that large camps for particular people is an awful idea, weve already had that experience quite close to home.

 

[Moriath]

They can't afford it.

That's like saying we shouldnt care about the Indians in the middle East because they can afford to pay a couple of grand to the mafias to get them to the middle East but then they're in a life of debt.

Also as I've said before this isn't some corrupt African nation. It's Syria, they're a wealthy nation, of course their people have money, it doesn't mean that their homes haven't been destroyed and are being threatened every day.

As for Aussie rules.

Let them realise that large camps for particular people is an awful idea, weve already had that experience quite close to home.

They cant afford but they do. A lot of the boat people are paying up front for a one way ticket to greece. Not the debt slavery as you are refering to which comes with people smuggling and is different.

 

[Trem]

Ok, I think I have already asked this but "where is my mind?" anyway.

Why is it 100% ok to believe *everything* in the media about the hardship but it is not ok to believe anything sinister about any of this? ISIS did say they were going to flood Europe, could they not have members amongst the people entering, well, let's all be honest here they have haven't they? Again, why are the majority of them young men? I totally don't get any of this and I totally do not get our total acceptance of it without any question.

It is heartbreaking, that little boy on the beach was shocking, the pictures I see are horrific and upset me to the core but there has to be something else here there really does. You know what will upset me just as much is if we blindly accept all this then ISIS, oh I dunno shoot up a cinema in Paris or Berlin.

We need to save those truly at peril and in need and I don't know how we police that but I would start by letting women, children and the old and frail in first.

I am paranoid, I'm a parent it's my job but something is starting to feel a bit dodgy here.

 

[Moriath]

Ok, I think I have already asked this but "where is my mind?" anyway.

Why is it 100% ok to believe *everything* in the media about the hardship but it is not ok to believe anything sinister about any of this? ISIS did say they were going to flood Europe, could they not have members amongst the people entering, well, let's all be honest here they have haven't they? Again, why are the majority of them young men? I totally don't get any of this and I totally do not get our total acceptance of it without any question.

It is heartbreaking, that little boy on the beach was shocking, the pictures I see are horrific and upset me to the core but there has to be something else here there really does. You know what will upset me just as much is if we blindly accept all this then ISIS, oh I dunno shoot up a cinema in Paris or Berlin.

We need to save those truly at peril and in need and I don't know how we police that but I would start by letting women, children and the old and frail in first.

I am paranoid, I'm a parent it's my job but something is starting to feel a bit dodgy here.

The migrants should apply for asylum in the first safe country. Then have euro targets to distro them around the union. Should not have the right to pick where they want to go and seek asylum after travelling through safe countries.

Else why dont i just go fly to america and seek asylum just cause i want to move there.

 

[Yoni]

The papers are truly full of doom today about smuggled ISIS members arriving in Europe... Propaganda or reality???? Who knows but my gut tells me a little of both. It will be interesting to see how this all unfolds..

 

[Yoni]

Care though with the extreme right wing propaganda though

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...police-goes-viral--and-is-a-lie-10501290.html

 

[Gwadien]

Frankly.

Even if you don't want to do help these people for the good of humanity, then you need to understand the politics.

Remember the last time we went into somebody elses businesses and seriously fucked shit up?

Yeah, it caused this.

These people are aware of this, these migrants are looking for someone to blame, rightly or wrongly, and they will blame them.

I feel that in their time of need, for us to say, nope, you're all terrorists, will just cause them to become JUST that.

It's a bit like blowing up a small village because there's a terrorist in it, but you kill a few innocents in the process - their families do not forget and forgive.

I'm not saying have an open border policy, I'm just saying let's not treat these people like criminals because ISIS said they are.

 

[Bodhi]

Care though with the extreme right wing propaganda though

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...police-goes-viral--and-is-a-lie-10501290.html

How about extreme left wing Propaganda? Can we ignore that as well?

 

[Yoni]

How about extreme left wing Propaganda? Can we ignore that as well?

If it is extreme sure....

 

[Bodhi]

If it is extreme sure....

Great. I can ignore anything from The Independent then.

 

[Gwadien]

Great. I can ignore anything from The Independent then.

So you're saying that the right wing propaganda showing pictures from 2012 are as bad as The Independent?

My oh my.

 

[Job]

I think the breaking point for Germany was the fact that the population of Woking turned up at Munich train station in the space of a weekend all seeking asylum. Sweden has been doing this kind of insanity for a few years now, but even they appear to be close to the end.

The only way to stop the tide is to adopt Aussie Rules. No permanent stay for people entering the EU illegally. The policy of looking the other way when illegal migrants travel through your country also needs to end. Pay states to house them until their homeland stabilizes enough for them to return home.

I have no issues with assisting refugees, but my tax money should go to people that the UNHCR has designated as especially in need of asylum, not those who can afford to pay people $5,000 or $10,000 to cross an ocean on boat.

The breaking point was the amount of refugees, well no shit sherlock, were they in frickin denial of the obvious?
Did the immigration minister miss a 0 on the note he passed to Merkel.
Oh we'll let a million in...oh hang on is that a million refugees, I though you were drunk.

 

[Bodhi]

So you're saying that the right wing propaganda showing pictures from 2012 are as bad as The Independent?

My oh my.

I tend to ignore the bilge that spews from either of them to be honest with you.

 

[Scouse]

I would start by letting women, children and the old and frail in first.

Nothing stopping them strapping bombs to themselves...

 

[Moriath]

Nothing stopping them strapping bombs to themselves...

Nothing stopping anyone.. But apparently women and children are valued above men. Cause one man can have many children but a woman is tied up for a year.

 

[Ormorof]

Reports in the news this morning that sweden with its open door policy is paying asylum seekers to take the ferry to finland, the right wingers are not amused

 

[Raven]

Its been really badly handled by Europe, open door policy one day, word spreads, then slam the door the next day. The backlog will be crazy.

This is only going to get worse over winter, though hopefully fewer people will try their luck with the sea.

 

[Yoni]

Reports in the news this morning that sweden with its open door policy is paying asylum seekers to take the ferry to finland, the right wingers are not amused

They are only sending to Finland the refugees that Denmark encouraged to go to Sweden

 

[DaGaffer]

They are only sending to Finland the refugees that Denmark encouraged to go to Sweden

I hear Estonia is pretty empty...

 

[Poag]

They are only sending to Finland the refugees that Denmark encouraged to go to Sweden

Circular logic there.

Can Germany send on all the refugees Hungary sent to them then? Can the rest of the EU do that?

I thought countries had a responsibility? or so was harped on by many earlier on in this car crash of a thread

 

[Yoni]

Circular logic there.

Can Germany send on all the refugees Hungary sent to them then? Can the rest of the EU do that?

I thought countries had a responsibility? or so was harped on by many earlier on in this car crash of a thread

I was joking.... oO

 

[Zarjazz]

Send them to Qatar, I hear they always need new workers there.

 

[Yoni]

Reports in the news this morning that sweden with its open door policy is paying asylum seekers to take the ferry to finland, the right wingers are not amused

Swedish government is denying this...

 

[Ormorof]

I think the story came from an "interview" by a dodgy tabloid with an unnamed asylum seeker who claimed he was paid to come to finland by swedes

Dont really see the point swedish is much easier than Finnish everything else is similar (but there are more russians here >. < )