Rant Ah religion.

[Reno]

the link posted states the doctor can refuse a treatment when in conflict but has to make sure other arrangements are made - ie a new appointment with a doctor who is known not to be a nutter (ie catholic, presumably).

Either the Doc was giving the reason for the visit when making the appointment or as soon as you walked in the door. A reasonable person would then either have told you to look somewehere else when making the appointment, or have booted you out the door as soon as you walked in when stating the reason for visiting.
I don't know if you have to pay your Doc's directly or whether it goes through insurance/health plan/whatever, but imo he's trying to get paid for services he had no intention of delivering.

 

[Chilly]

There's no money at all Reno - it's free as part of the national health service we all pay for via taxes.

 

[Scouse]

Ch3ts point was that the doc was obliged to provide an alternative and also broke the GMC guidelines.

 

[Ch3tan]

Hi Chilly, I'm only being as much of a cock as Job in his OP.

However to answer your point, he shouldn't have wasted her time, and he should have provided an alternative. Now it does not sound like he did, from Job's post, but we'll have to wait for him to answer that. The guidelines state that the doctor should not put his own beliefs in the way of patient welfare.

 

[gohan]

There's no money at all Reno - it's free as part of the national health service we all pay for via taxes.

free to us but i think GP and surgeries charge per appointment to the NHS/Gov so if he's taking the appointment with no intention of fufilling any of his obligations then it's fraud

 

[Ch3tan]

free to us but i think GP and surgeries charge per appointment to the NHS/Gov so if he's taking the appointment with no intention of fufilling any of his obligations then it's fraud

This is a good point, he's getting paid for seeing her. Although I'm not sure on the payment model there gohan...

 

[gohan]

This is a good point, he's getting paid for seeing her. Although I'm not sure on the payment model there gohan...

ye it may be per patient, or they may get a grant of X amount but have to take X amount of appointments to keep it or w/e but either way he'll be getting paid for his time

 

[Himse]

Preaching in any form is not acceptable in a doctors surgery.

He can advise her to use both (and doctors frequently do - especially if she has multiple partners) - but saying "I won't give you this, it's against my religious beliefs" should see the fucker sanctioned against.

Exactly! Why be a doctor if you don't believe in certain types of medication.

 

[Job]

He's perfectly within his 'rights' not to, it's a surgery, with five doctors, he sent her back to the receptionist to arrange another doctor.
The problem being she couldn't get an appointment till Monday, so she took the morning off and I sat in the car for 45 minutes so this pillock could go through all the tests than announce he wasn't going to prescribe. The thing that really get's me is she's a young girl, taking the pill is a highly emotional step and this condescending cock decides he can just pull some moral superiority on her and basically state that he disapproves of her actions. Doctors are supposed to offer support, not 'You offend God'.

 

[Scouse]

I sat in the car for 45 minutes so this pillock could go through all the tests than announce he wasn't going to prescribe

This, and;

she's a young girl, taking the pill is a highly emotional step and this condescending cock decides he can just pull some moral superiority on her and basically state that he disapproves of her actions

this, says to me that you should definitely report him to the GMC.

How many other girls is he doing it to?

 

[TdC]

can I just ask: why did he go through the motions? why did he not come out straight off and say he wouldn't when he heard what it was for?

 

[Ch3tan]

Chilly; Job. This is the relevant bit of the GMC guidelines:

• You must not unfairly discriminate against patients by allowing your personal views to affect adversely your professional relationship with them or the treatment you provide or arrange (paragraph 7).
• If carrying out a particular procedure or giving advice about it conflicts with your religious or moral beliefs, and this conflict might affect the treatment or advice you provide, you must explain this to the patient and tell them they have the right to see another doctor. You must be satisfied that the patient has sufficient information to enable them to exercise that right. If it is not practical for a patient to arrange to see another doctor, you must ensure that arrangements are made for another suitably qualified colleague to take over your role (paragraph 8).
• You must not express to your patients your personal beliefs, including political, religious or moral beliefs, in ways that exploit their vulnerability or that are likely to cause them distress (paragraph 33)

So point one; he's allowed his personal views to to adversely affect the treatment provided. He's discriminated against her.
Point two, his belief's do not cause him to give bad treatment, in this case the mere prescription of the pill. It states it's the patients right to see another Doctor after the first Doctor explains to them their reasoning. If it was impracticle for Job's daughter to come back another day, he was meant to arrange foe someone else to take over his role.
He's failed totally on the 3rd point too.
So no, he was not within his rights. If any of this actually happened, then I hope you and your daughter write a strong letter of complaint, demand an apology and some action taken against this GP.

 

[Himse]

can I just ask: why did he go through the motions? why did he not come out straight off and say he wouldn't when he heard what it was for?

Because it wastes the day? He doesn't get paid to just deny everyone, at least he can kill time then refuse or something?

Dunno, he's a pleb anyhow really. (The Doctor I mean!)

 

[Scouse]

can I just ask: why did he go through the motions? why did he not come out straight off and say he wouldn't when he heard what it was for?

just throwing this one out there: because he got to make a vulnerable young girl feel dirty, and it made him feel all pious and mighty.

?

 

[TdC]

I was thinking that if he didn't straight off, then he could get done for not doing his job / violating his oath or some such. So therefor he does the work, but will not deliver the results, or some other carefully crafted bullock poop.

 

[Punishment]

The Internet is for porn, not handbagging

 

[old.user4556]

Porn, music and movies.

Even OS developers know this as the main libraries are "pictures", music and videos.

Pictures, yeah.....

 

[Turamber]

This doctor, because of his religion, didn't offer a patient the same courtesy...

The doctor would have referred the patient to a colleague, which he is completely within his rights to do. Not everybody thinks it is perfectly acceptable for people to sleep around and I respect that. Whereas her father is outraged that a stranger did not facilitate her promiscuous lifestyle. Now that's the funny part.

 

[Ch3tan]

No, according to those GMC guidelines it's not in this case Turamber. He's wasted her time and probably made her feel a bit shit in the process

 

[Chilly]

The doctor would have referred the patient to a colleague, which he is completely within his rights to do. Not everybody thinks it is perfectly acceptable for people to sleep around and I respect that. Whereas her father is outraged that a stranger did not facilitate her promiscuous lifestyle. Now that's the funny part.

Or perhaps it's just responsible contraception? I was with a previously girlfriend years ago who was on the pill the entire time. She was anything but promiscuous. Girls on the pill != slags.

 

[old.user4556]

Not to mention the other benefits it brings to them regardless of the contraception advantage.

 

[Scouse]

The doctor would have referred the patient to a colleague, which he is completely within his rights to do. Not everybody thinks it is perfectly acceptable for people to sleep around and I respect that. Whereas her father is outraged that a stranger did not facilitate her promiscuous lifestyle. Now that's the funny part.

A couple of direct questions, Turamber:

1) Did you read the original post, or the guidelines?
2) Regardless of how you feel about it, how do you assess the doctors action against those guidelines, based on the information given?


Additionally, and I don't expect you to comment, perhaps she's not a slag? Perhaps she's in a loving relationship with a single man? Not married, I know, but you can realistically only hope for so much...

 

[throdgrain]

The doctor would have referred the patient to a colleague, which he is completely within his rights to do. Not everybody thinks it is perfectly acceptable for people to sleep around and I respect that. Whereas her father is outraged that a stranger did not facilitate her promiscuous lifestyle. Now that's the funny part.

Are you fucking mad?

 

[Job]

Turamber the pope's a bit short of preists..fancy signing up?

 

[Scouse]

Turamber the pope's a bit short of preists..fancy signing up?

Woah! Go easy. I don't think he's a kiddie fiddler...

 

[gohan]

Turamber the pope's a bit short of preists..fancy signing up?

how many children do i get in my signup fee? i may be interested



scouse beat me too it.... fag

 

[Gwadien]

Oneee lloooveee, leet'ss get together and bee allrigghttt

 

[Job]

Woah! Go easy. I don't think he's a kiddie fiddler...

You mean this?

 

[Raven]

The doctor would have referred the patient to a colleague, which he is completely within his rights to do. Not everybody thinks it is perfectly acceptable for people to sleep around and I respect that. Whereas her father is outraged that a stranger did not facilitate her promiscuous lifestyle. Now that's the funny part.

What's sleeping around got to do with the pill? My wife takes the pill and I am pretty sure she doesn't sleep around. We just don't want kids.

 

[Ch3tan]

Bloody hell and my post about job's daughter offended people? At least I only said I hoped she was getting porked by one man, not the many Turambers suggested.