About Horner

[Malakili]

@ Requiel

I agree with some of what you have said. You can't ban people for every small mistake, time where it could have been a game bug and banning people due to popularity again shouldn't be done.

However even in this thread there is a number of people that have put in claims to RightNow about him and even assuming only a small percentage of these were proved if you multiply that by all the people that could have put in claims and are not posting on this thread makes a lot of complaints about one person.

How many provable complaints about one person does there have to be before they get a permanant ban? How many times can a pet "bug" into a keep before you start to think this is more than just a conicidence. How many times can you lose your rag and swear at people before it is more than just a simple mistake.

Ofcourse you can't and shouldn't tell us how many people have complained about him or anyone else but I am a little confused at how someone can receive so attention for so long and not have something more then a short ban that I am assuming he has received.

One other point in your post I would question is

"We do enforce our CoC but we accept that it's neither realistic nor desirable to punish every single transgression no matter its scale."

I should hope you deal with every single transgression if it's scale warrants it.

Personally I don't really care what you do with him, I'm not longer playing and when I did on the few occasions I met him I just treated it as more of a insentive to try and kill him for his actions.

I do wonder though for the constant grief he is causing others whether it is time you either tighten the rules down a little or inforce the current ones more strictly forcing him to change his behaviour or ship out. I mean it comes to something when his own realm mates are fed up of emoting, swearing, etc

 

[Azagthoth]

If more people who behaved badly had been banned from the start, the pop on the server would not be a problem today.

There is nothing wrong with the game itself but as it progressed thru the years more and more people joined Daoc that behaved badly and didnt give a shit about others and played the game in a way that it wasnt intended to be played.
Therefore people got sick of it and didnt feel like the game was the same, even tho it was, and deleted their accounts.

That is the reason why we have a pop problem on the server today.
Im not gonna sit here and say Horner is this and that but there is clearly a problem with people bahaving bad ingame and its sadly alitle to late to get your eyes open now.

This is something that should have been done a loong time ago.

 

[tollstore]

I'm Sure u've all seen the southpark episode featuring WoW i'm sure the dude griefing everyone was based on horner -- Come on Goa give someone a sword of a thousand truths send em off after horner --- end of !!!!!

Oh if only -- so if I right now the screen shot whit horner and scar just flooding me with rude that in theory should at least constitute a warning as he is flooding comms channel --- That correct ?

 

[Punishment]

Since when did pve'ing keeps become griefing ? Hell, the Middies especially have been set up for 'fast keeptakes before the enemy has a chance to get there' = 'pveing keeps' for years.

I notice they didn't go for the keeps with relics in, leaving that for primetime.

Edit - I can see that pve'ing an entire frontier or a relic can be very frustrating, but can't see that taking one keep is - which is all that happened.

Darzil

When you wake up almost every morning/ log on afternoon to see 2-3 hib keeps pve'd for over 6 months it has a major negative effect on morale of players ... Argue to the contrary if you will ... but 12.30 on the dot CM start on hib frontier ... aka in 7 minutes

 

[necromania]

Oh please, yes vote me for the biggest idiot alive on the cluster. For the reason that i want to get rid of someone who makes just about EVERYONE (both his own realm and the enemy realms) feeling upset and angry.

Have you seen alot of whine from me? I dont think so.

he doesnt make me upset/angry at all

 

[elbeek]

he doesnt make me upset/angry at all

Well considering you spend most of your time drooling down the inside of the short bus window, your comment is of no consolation. :touch:

I personally have no problems with Horner and have spoken to him a few times. I have always found him pleasant but do agree with many in that his playstyle is kind of unique. If you take him warts and all, he is what makes the game, namely a character that all know. No doubt he likes the notoriorty (sp?) and lets face it, most here just fuel it with the constant qqing.

 

[Olly]

he doesnt make me upset/angry at all

i think i got a "just about" in the post you are quoting me on. speciul for people like you.

Well considering you spend most of your time drooling down the inside of the short bus window, your comment is of no consolation. :touch:

I personally have no problems with Horner and have spoken to him a few times. I have always found him pleasant but do agree with many in that his playstyle is kind of unique. If you take him warts and all, he is what makes the game, namely a character that all know. No doubt he likes the notoriorty (sp?) and lets face it, most here just fuel it with the constant qqing.

All ive ever got from a "Hello, excuse me yadayadayada" is a solid, resounding "FU NOOB LAL" back. and thats before he got to know about me. and no, he is banned from this site, so he wont get to read my nice qq'ing

 

[necromania]

Well considering you spend most of your time drooling down the inside of the short bus window, your comment is of no consolation. :touch:


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Like u know what i spend my time with....

only Mr. Dalai Lama knows that wich isnt u btw

 

[Raven]

Like u know what i spend my time with....

only Mr. Dalai Lama knows that wich isnt u btw

you dont even understand his insult, must be nice to be so simple...

 

[necromania]

you dont even understand his insult, must be nice to be so simple...

no sry i dont understand it :/

all i know is that when it comes from elbeek, it cant be polite

 

[Fahdlan]

I do not like horner, and I'am sick of his /rude emotes.

 

[Dayak]

I do not like horner, and I'am sick of his /rude emotes.

LAL Why did U /rude Horner if it makes U feel sick ? :touch:

Ah Wait ! U /rude to have smtg to post in FH !

LAL Carry on CM Minstrel Carry on ! LAL !

 

[Fahdlan]

I just can't understand what you are saying there mega mate.

Date of Birth:
February 1, 1999
Age:
8

thats what I thought

 

[elbeek]

I do not like horner, and I'am sick of his /rude emotes.

You are a prime example of the "anti Horner" brigade. You bait him in game, screeny the replies for your FH "megameights" to drool over.

As Horner says, /ignore is your friend, unless of course, you are going to continue to behave like a prick in which case you will get what you deserve.

 

[Fahdlan]

oh, I'am sorry to show why I don't like him.

behave like a prick? cause of that birth day joke?

if it is that, I'am sorry.

 

[scorge]

people tend to grief more ingame to get there frustration out, due to lack of players people make there own fun as there is not much competition.

 

[Gahn]

If people not showing respect is a reason for a ban then 95% of the server at some point would probably have been banned by now.

This seems to be another excuse for some people with the "lets bash GoA" agenda to jump in again,there have always been griefers but I dont remember people asking for bans for Team zerg or Pain or any of the other people setting out with the idea of a griefing style of play and showing zero respect for others while doing it.

I've had people grey gank me,FGs heal up people i've been fighting in a 1V1,people stand about and watch a fight then hit the person for the deathblow when their on 5%hp left and lots more,should all these be banned because their not showing respect ?

It seems like you want someone banned because you dont like their playstyle but I'm sure most who are asking for this ban have at some time griefed someone else or shown no respect and not expected a ban for it.

U make a lot of assumptions, let's just say that if some1 slapped in early days the ones who played in a griefing mode, the server would have been much better from start. And yes, ofc it has to do with Goa since they police the game.

 

[swifteagle]

U make a lot of assumptions, let's just say that if some1 slapped in early days the ones who played in a griefing mode, the server would have been much better from start. And yes, ofc it has to do with Goa since they police the game.

I think you missed the point of my post

Yes there have always been griefers but people havent asked for them to be banned for whatever reason but now theres this hate campaign against GoA people are using any excuse to have a go at them.

The lack of respect for others has been in game since the start but most just accepted it was part of the game ,as its part of society as well.
You only need to look at posts on here to notice how little some people respect others,so why would they act any differently in game.

If you've never done anything in game with the sole purpose of annoying someone else then you havent contributed to the general server atmosphere, if you have then guess what your as bad as anyone else that griefs.
Thats a general statement not aimed at one person btw

 

[Stallion]

LAL Why did U /rude Horner if it makes U feel sick ? :touch:

Ah Wait ! U /rude to have smtg to post in FH !

LAL Carry on CM Minstrel Carry on ! LAL !

oh wait! horner has made another account, aren't you suppose to be banned?

 

[Dayak]

oh wait! horner has made another account, aren't you suppose to be banned?

LAL ! HOrner ? Banned ? in the same sentence ? LAL !

Baronet Horner is Immortal ! :touch:

 

[Sollac]

having just read the thread .

Olly u knob jockey......you want Horner banned for being a lame ass french bloke who took a tower.

perhaps because he spoilt your lets take a tower and camp it until someone comes so we can gank em without any effort, due to lame play style.....

its that kinda thing thats killing dyvet.

Horner is a character, you either love him or hate him, I glad hes on our side tbh......he would be a real pain if he was a hib or a mid, hes just an inconvienience thats all......

:england:

remember DAOC is realm v realm, you fight for arthur not your own ego.

 

[Imgormiel]

This thread is now so dead and boring, I called the funeral directors. I no longer have the will to live because I am bored to death of it

Horner's Epeen made Pinnochio's lying nose look like a 2 mm weener :s

 

[Olly]

having just read the thread .

Olly u knob jockey......you want Horner banned for being a lame ass french bloke who took a tower.

perhaps because he spoilt your lets take a tower and camp it until someone comes so we can gank em without any effort, due to lame play style.....

its that kinda thing thats killing dyvet.

Horner is a character, you either love him or hate him, I glad hes on our side tbh......he would be a real pain if he was a hib or a mid, hes just an inconvienience thats all......

:england:

HIGH FIVE!!!1

Call me names, go ahead. But please, you really should learn to read before you do it. Because, believe it or not, you DONT understand my post even though you claim to.

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

If he is breaking the CoC then by all means report it and we'll investigate. We aren't going to ban someone because they are unpopular however. 10,000 Rightnow reports simply requesting he be banned will not lead to him getting banned. I don't think anyone would agree that banning people purely based on popular request is a good idea.

I think that the morepart of the rvring community would agree that banning Horner would be for the best of the cluster.
I cant say one mid that thinks he deserves to play the game, due to his crusade to grief and harrass and ruin the game for as many people as possible.

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

should really read all posts before replying -.-

Obviously if there is a more serious breach involving unacceptable levels of personal harrassment then we always take action.

so the guy who said "i hope your mother gets raped irl" and various other quite disgusting things to me in pm about 2½ years back who only recived a warning.. i suppose thats not counting for high enough levels of personal harrassment.

but ofcourse you'll say that it was someone else handling the issue. to that i say: has goa's policy changed or are the morepart of those working with rightnow incompetent?

 

[IainC]

should really read all posts before replying -.-



so the guy who said "i hope your mother gets raped irl" and various other quite disgusting things to me in pm about 2½ years back who only recived a warning.. i suppose thats not counting for high enough levels of personal harrassment.

but ofcourse you'll say that it was someone else handling the issue. to that i say: has goa's policy changed or are the morepart of those working with rightnow incompetent?

I have no idea who handled a specific incident over two years ago. Without knowing more about the details though I'd say that is the kind of thing that would normally receive a suspension rather than a warning but a lot depends on the circumstances - if both players are being equally gobby for example then we're more likely to chalk it up to the heat of the moment under provocation. However as we don't discuss what actions are taken against other people's accounts I don't see how you can be so sure that he only received a warning.

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

I have no idea who handled a specific incident over two years ago. Without knowing more about the details though I'd say that is the kind of thing that would normally receive a suspension rather than a warning but a lot depends on the circumstances - if both players are being equally gobby for example then we're more likely to chalk it up to the heat of the moment under provocation. However as we don't discuss what actions are taken against other people's accounts I don't see how you can be so sure that he only received a warning.

the only provocation from my part was killing a necromancer that this player thought his group had claimed.

and yes, he only recived a warning.

 

[>.< Pooned]

the only provocation from my part was killing a necromancer that this player thought his group had claimed.

and yes, he only recived a warning.

tbh qqing for smthing that happend 2 years ago is a bit low. . . we got other things to qq about rather than things of the past ^^

 

[Imgormiel]

tbh qqing for smthing that happend 2 years ago is a bit low. . . we got other things to qq about rather than things of the past ^^

aye, like being pooned in teh present >.<

 

[Flimgoblin]

I do wonder though for the constant grief he is causing others whether it is time you either tighten the rules down a little or inforce the current ones more strictly forcing him to change his behaviour or ship out. I mean it comes to something when his own realm mates are fed up of emoting, swearing, etc

To be fair to Horner, it's not the emoting or the swearing that has his realm mates annoyed in this case - it's the fact that he stopped them from doing a tower farm...

Of course there's nothing wrong with that so people are exaggerating his actual misdeeds in an effort to make him even less popular than he is...

In some cases this works - e.g. badmouthing someone for stealing camps or whatever, guilds get involved, people sort things out - however given that Horner is doing something that a lot of people (if not most) would consider part of the game (taking towers) and that he really doesn't care about his popularity it's proven inneffective.

Hence the "waah wahh GOA BAN HORNER HE TOOK MY TOWER!" campaign... and since GOA aren't bowing to the lynch mob the "wahh wahh GOA are protecting Horner!" whine.

Don't get me wrong, Horner has been an abusive little arse in the past, but if taking a tower in the frontier has suddenly become "griefing" I really wonder what game it is we're meant to be playing.