A sinners confession

[ghoul]

Originally posted by ImLestat
And besides that, give me a reason why you attack me. Am I the one who has caused you to have to wait for your passwords? Am I the one who caused all this grief? I guess you are like some of the people here, applauding people that does things like this while attacking the people that actually take a stand against already mentioned people, nice going there.......

Heh, cause you we're a pain in the ass after the kr0n incident ? every thread he posted you we're there commenting his post and talking about his "hacking".

 

[Hyuga Hinata]

Originally posted by ImLestat
There are two reasons why I will not.

1. I rarely play this game any more and therefore doesn't feel as involved in it as I once did.

2. kr0n did one thing that I really hated, he ran around BOASTING of what he did, and that really ticked me off. Of course that was his intention but I didn't care. With Laromia I don't see any boasting behaviour, although you of course might argue that his posting is a kind of boasting in itself.

And besides that, give me a reason why you attack me. Am I the one who has caused you to have to wait for your passwords? Am I the one who caused all this grief? I guess you are like some of the people here, applauding people that does things like this while attacking the people that actually take a stand against already mentioned people, nice going there.......

1. I'm not applauding anyone. What Laromia did was wrong, he/she realises this, what I do have a problem with is people acting all high and mighty when more than 50% damn well know that they would've done the exact same thing given the opportunity(some would probably have done far worse too). Like I said things could've gone a lot worse than the sub pages being down, had this stuff ended up in the wrong hands a lot of people would see their characters missing and the downtime would've been far worse since GOA would have to start restoring chars on top of sending out passwords, closing security holes etc.

2. My account happened to run out on the very day they took the sub pages down, but unlike some people I don't sit there hammering the account button 24/7 hoping that the subs will be up on my next mouse click.

 

[ImLestat]

Originally posted by ghoul
Heh, cause you we're a pain in the ass after the kr0n incident ? every thread he posted you we're there commenting his post and talking about his "hacking".

And that's the problem. People would rather stick up for the hackers than those taking a stand. Pathetic.

 

[Roalith]

Originally posted by Laromia
They were informed. At the point where MrX got hold of the first (to my knowledge) GM account on Avalon, I reported the incident to RightNow and Kemor directly. The reply from Kemor was "a little security breach it seems".

As the day went by, MrX told me he found some cool documents, which he proceeded to send to me.

By this point, it should be fairly bloody obvious that MrX had hacked into GOA's internal network? Would not the sensible, intelligent, honest thing to do have been to provide Kemor and Rightnow with the name and IP address of the individual performing these actions? And, for that matter, to inform them of the external acquisition of these documents?

Oh, no, instead I'll piss about for a while as my 'friend' screws over their internal network and causes untold grief for the entire DAOC community.

 

[edoa]

Originally posted by Xeanor

And all hacking is traceable, you can never get away with it, that's why noone is just gonna hack GOA to shut down a server, because he will only get traced and prosecuted.

In your dreams.

 

[old.Psi]

I thought it was pretty funny...

It's a shame GOA weren't honest with you about your accounts, but it would be insane to expect them to give them back to you as if nothing had happened.

 

[Hyuga Hinata]

Originally posted by ImLestat
And that's the problem. People would rather stick up for the hackers than those taking a stand. Pathetic.

what I do have a problem with is people acting all high and mighty when more than 50% damn well know that they would've done the exact same thing given the opportunity

No, what's pathetic is beating a dead horse for 5 months while acting all superior like.

Thank you for showing me why I don't like you.

 

[September]

Bummonkey's the lot of you (for the ppl who cheated hacked and what not) ...you sad sad sad gits...with no life. GOA's certainly no innocent party here at all.

But man why cause all the trouble in the first place, thx for screwing over thousands of players, LOSERS!

I'm glad to see your account getting stripped, GOA played a nice trick on you at least they do something right

 

[Sharma]

Originally posted by Roalith
Would not the sensible, intelligent, honest thing to do have been to provide Kemor and Rightnow with the name and IP address of the individual performing these actions?

Any good hacker knows to cover his tracks, its possible to leave an IP that traces to a BT internet/phone box in London..

 

[old.moriath]

Originally posted by Roalith
By this point, it should be fairly bloody obvious that MrX had hacked into GOA's internal network? Would not the sensible, intelligent, honest thing to do have been to provide Kemor and Rightnow with the name and IP address of the individual performing these actions? And, for that matter, to inform them of the external acquisition of these documents?

Oh, no, instead I'll piss about for a while as my 'friend' screws over their internal network and causes untold grief for the entire DAOC community.

Not really MrX could have been a GOA employee or a GOA employee could hav provided the info to MrX

So he might not have hacked into the systems but may have been given the priv's / info

 

[September]

Oh and Irony of Irony

You cheat...

Then Goa cheats, and you whine

 

[ImLestat]

Originally posted by Hyuga Hinata
No, what's pathetic is beating a dead horse for 5 months while acting all superior like.

Thank you for showing me why I don't like you.

Hrrrm, I do wonder who is beating the dead horse now...? Maybe you should start disliking yourself too..?

Really, I don't care if you dislike me. Brannor got hacked because he took a stand, maybe you will hack me now? Just the same thing as I've been saying all along, it's those taking a stand that gets the short end of the stick, but nevermind. Have fun hating me...

 

[vincibility]

Originally posted by Sharma
Any good hacker knows to cover his tracks, its possible to leave an IP that traces to a BT internet/phone box in London..

I'm not computer wiz, but to me this implies that he had hacked in. Like I say, though, I don't really know about these things:

MrX had been harvesting information from the GOA network. Obviously I won't share the information he gave me, but he had access to almost everything inside, that being RightNow, databases, gameservers and support/gm client machines. He even packed a copy of one of the gameservers for us to download!

 

[_anarky_]

Originally posted by Xeanor
>And all hacking is traceable, you can never get away with it,
>that's why noone is just gonna hack GOA to shut down a
>server, because he will only get traced and prosecuted.

Xeanor about that being trackable of hacking
Read grc.com, where they got attacked by Wicked, te ewul DDoS using scriptkiddie

as for the hackers,
u caused me...1 week and 2 days of not being able to play...
so what, i actually started living my normal live
Yes what u did was wrong, but imo, ppl shouldn't be hypocrit's, i'm honest to say IF i had acces, i'd atleast try it out
And tbh, u didn't cause real harm to the playing community (like deleting/banning some accounts)
but do know u must've costed goa ALOT of cash

And to goa, who say they "read" these boards...
Why didn't the community got to know about this?
personally, i only blame you guys, for not releasing the info we wanted, like what exactly happened.
And also, when the event in emain occured, either u didn't react, or u kept it quiet, but again, we didn't see or hear any ppls from goa...
Imo, the stereotype of CIA and other company's/government insitutions keeping info hidden for the public, aint that much of a stereotype

Anyways, now albs and hib finnaly can stop calling mid zergers...
We are now prolly known as haxxxxx0r'z
oh wait...mids DID zerg emain....
but with epic mobs... ah well no big diffrence

anyways, to conclude this post:
The people that are angry now,
don't be a hypocrite...think what u would do if u had the possibility...
to Laroma:
Thanks for:
1. your honesty
2. coming clean with GOA (it DID cause us downtime, but atleast u aren't that bad to delete the whole database ( now THAT would be a laugh ))
3. giving BW ANOTHER whinetreath
Thanks to GOA:
1. For nothing tbh (well, besides for not listening to anyone, and acting like the blind fools i allways hoped u were not)

Goodbye Laroma, and sharma, thy WILL be missed

(yes, to some ppl it might sound odd, but actually, i like them as person, not as hackers tho (well, not 100% ))

Now...time to go play some daoc...

 

[Sarnat]

Hard to tell if the hacker was really smart enough to do things like hiding his IP address (from Laromia/Sharma) and from GOA (when making is attacks). He obviously were not VERY smart because he got caught. Telling someone else was his first big mistake.

I really hope he wasn't that smart and that GOA will push charges against him/her in a court of law. Somehow I don't think that will happen though. Or that we will find out. Some companies do not like to push charges because it's bad for your reputation if it's publicly known that you were hacked (even if you had top notch security etc).

 

[Mr TNT]

i would like to see all 3 of u at court, now that would be some funny shit to read in news paper on bus.......

 

[Glyph_mid]

Someone stealing a car and giving you the carkeys and you drive the car, its still illegal.

I cant stick up for you guys, especially Sharma because he did nothing to help GOA, only to make the damage worse.

Its a shame GOA even showed the gesture to open your account imo, shoulda left you with nothing, regardless of you playing or not.

Hope the 2 of you and MrX will be dragged into court, all for doing something illegal, hacking, knowing stuff and exploiting it althought it was illegal.

Sure the community will miss 2 great players, but ending it like this is just stupid

 

[Kharok Svark]

Not going to read this entire thread much more then the first page or two.

However, you realised you mistake and came clean. For that you have my thanks, although reading your post you suggest you did this to get your game rights back.

If someone gave you a bomb, would you plant it in the underground, just to see how many would be killed ?

Your post is welcome (for the facts), to late (as you abused it), and misdirected (as you are aiming it at GOA for not giving you full access back).

You can dress up what you did how you like, the fact is you are aware and understand that what you did was against the rules you agreed too. Trying to find a way to vindicate yourself suggests to me, that you are trying to find someone to call you right.

Sadly, you could have explained MrX to GOA on day one ... then I would have been the first to praise.

<I await the flames from those who care too, but think of a scenario where GOA pull the plug on GOA's server and all your characters >

 

[Xeanor]

Originally posted by Glyph_mid
Hope the 2 of you and MrX will be dragged into court, all for doing something illegal, hacking, knowing stuff and exploiting it althought it was illegal.

What he said.

 

[Laroma]

> Your post is welcome (for the facts), to late (as you abused it), and misdirected (as you are aiming it at GOA for not giving you
> full access back).

Honestly, if you were in my shoes, wouldn't you, even if the chances were very slim, at least try and get your accounts reopened? Maybe it is extortion (personally I think it's a bit strong word), but I was very sad about my accounts being banned at the time, so I asked. I never gave them an ultimatum, ie. "Give me my accounts back, or else..". If that was the case, yes it would be extortion, or even blackmail.

If they had said no, I would very likely have handed in the information anyway though (yeah, that's easy to say I know).

 

[Ottar]

> Sadly, you could have explained MrX to GOA on day one ... then I would
> have been the first to praise.

Assuming he's telling the truth, he did tell GOA there is a bloke running around on their servers with GM access. Pretty much the first thing he did. Same bloke still apparently continued doing it 3 weeks later. That's the scary bit.

Ottar

 

[liste]

Good riddance to bad rubbish

 

[atos]

_He even packed a copy of one of the gameservers for us to download!_

I guess you don't want to share that right? Could be fun to run your own server awhile.

 

[Kharok Svark]

Originally posted by Laromia
[BHonestly, if you were in my shoes, wouldn't you, even if the chances were very slim, at least try and get your accounts reopened? Maybe it is extortion (personally I think it's a bit strong word), but I was very sad about my accounts being banned at the time, so I asked. I never gave them an ultimatum, ie. "Give me my accounts back, or else..". If that was the case, yes it would be extortion, or even blackmail.

If they had said no, I would very likely have handed in the information anyway though (yeah, that's easy to say I know). [/B]

If you were truly seeking to doo good, would the one of the things in the chapter / conversation realt be "And in return" or "and for me"

 

[old.Kian]

Originally posted by Laromia
> Your post is welcome (for the facts), to late (as you abused it), and misdirected (as you are aiming it at GOA for not giving you
> full access back).

Honestly, if you were in my shoes, wouldn't you, even if the chances were very slim, at least try and get your accounts reopened? Maybe it is extortion (personally I think it's a bit strong word), but I was very sad about my accounts being banned at the time, so I asked. I never gave them an ultimatum, ie. "Give me my accounts back, or else..". If that was the case, yes it would be extortion, or even blackmail.

If they had said no, I would very likely have handed in the information anyway though (yeah, that's easy to say I know).

A decent human being wouldn't have been in your shoes... because they wouldn't have done what you did in the first place. You did something that you must have known at the time was clearly wrong and breaking an agreement you signed up to when you started playing (the EULA), and now like a spoilt two year old you're trying to blame anyone but yourself for the consequences.

Maybe when you grow up, and become man enough to take responsibility for your own actions, you'll understand.

 

[Laroma]

> I guess you don't want to share that right? Could be fun to run your own server awhile.

I deleted all the files MrX sent me right after I handed in all the information to GOA, so no.

 

[atos]

Sigh was worth a try atleast. I guess this game is going to end up like EQ in some years.

 

[Laroma]

> You did something that you must have known at the time was clearly wrong and breaking an agreement you signed up to
> when you started playing (the EULA), and now like a spoilt two year old you're trying to blame anyone but yourself for the
> consequences.

How did you get the idea that I don't realize what I did was wrong? Have you been reading any replies at all?

> Maybe when you grow up, and become man enough to take responsibility for your own actions, you'll understand.

By writing this story on paper, and publicly posting it, I think that counts as taking responsibility. I already apologized earlier in the thread for not being 100% objective throughout the text, but with recent events that just wasn't possible for me.

 

[Sarnat]

So you think you could just doubleclick on daoc server.exe and voilá, you have DAoC server running

And good luck to having the actual HW to run a DAoC server.

 

[Sharma]

Originally posted by Sarnat

And good luck to having the actual HW to run a DAoC server.

Heh, the system required to run a decent daoc server, is lower than you think.