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I bet you also believe in UFOs.
And btw why do you still play? Or do you?
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I bet you also believe in UFOs.
And btw why do you still play? Or do you?
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Laroma
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vincibility.
Have to say your post made me laugh. I agree to your point about dragging the "what if" theories into it to some extent. As the major problems have been dodged for now, they don't really seem of any value. However, you claiming I used reverse psychology in the forewords is just stupid. I replied to a lot of other posts saying the same, but why WHY would I not tell the complete truth at this point? I have already lost my characters, which I never really honestly thought I would get back anyway, even if GOA "said so". Of course I hoped to get my characters back, but in reality I never thought I actually would.
Have to say your post made me laugh. I agree to your point about dragging the "what if" theories into it to some extent. As the major problems have been dodged for now, they don't really seem of any value. However, you claiming I used reverse psychology in the forewords is just stupid. I replied to a lot of other posts saying the same, but why WHY would I not tell the complete truth at this point? I have already lost my characters, which I never really honestly thought I would get back anyway, even if GOA "said so". Of course I hoped to get my characters back, but in reality I never thought I actually would.
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old.Revz
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Very interesting. It's quite worrying how insecure the GOA network would seem to be if it allowed all of this information to be gotten out (GM logins, GM manual, internal customer support manuals, copies of whole databases and so on). They must have been shitting themselves when they realised how bad the breach was because you had enough info to cause major damage. From the sounds of it you caused huge problems for a lot of people so I doubt you will (or should) be easily forgiven for it. With that said, I would by lying if I didn't say I wasn't very interested in seeing all the information you got (particularly the staff manuals).
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walkerb
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abit wierd that a GM acc can make any other char GM to and then will have acces to anything
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old.Atrox
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lol Ottar you used to call me lame and cheat for useing the LoS with Necro.
Now your here defending something much worse ?
You seems to like the "what if ?" so let's see.
What if he would've reported the second time mrX played with his acc ? instead of the "GOA didnt care last time lets not report" attitude.
Im quite sure that if he would've done that he wouldnt've lost his acc's.
Instead he exploited for his own entertainment.
Instead of playing around he should've reported everything to GOA and helped them.
His intention wasnt to "help" GOA, when his accounts were banned, he tried to trade back the accounts for the Information ( blackmailing imo ).
When GOA then screwed him rightback, he went for revenge and that was the reason for the panic reaction from GOA.
If he would've been so "nice" as you like to put it, GOA would've been able to track mrX moves and close the hole, then procceded to take the neccecarily steps to secure the system again ( sub/game password ).
Now Laromia made this security flawn public, and GOA were forced to take noticeable actions.
so Ottar arent double standards great ?
Now your here defending something much worse ?
You seems to like the "what if ?" so let's see.
What if he would've reported the second time mrX played with his acc ? instead of the "GOA didnt care last time lets not report" attitude.
Im quite sure that if he would've done that he wouldnt've lost his acc's.
Instead he exploited for his own entertainment.
Instead of playing around he should've reported everything to GOA and helped them.
His intention wasnt to "help" GOA, when his accounts were banned, he tried to trade back the accounts for the Information ( blackmailing imo ).
When GOA then screwed him rightback, he went for revenge and that was the reason for the panic reaction from GOA.
If he would've been so "nice" as you like to put it, GOA would've been able to track mrX moves and close the hole, then procceded to take the neccecarily steps to secure the system again ( sub/game password ).
Now Laromia made this security flawn public, and GOA were forced to take noticeable actions.
so Ottar arent double standards great ?
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all i can say is this,
miss you laryoma 1 of the oldschool people a very cute kobold girl i most say
and sharma u so ewul ;( why me!!
would be fun if someone could post a chatlog or so from that evening tho
[03:57:03] @@Blejsabambam yells, "KILL GS!"
[03:57:05] @@Blejsabambam yells, "GET DORPS"
[03:57:37] @@Snooped From Blejsabambam:
[03:57:37] @@[Party] Blejsabambam: "RUUN"
laroma i fixed a SS just for
http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404019/pryd/OldSchool/apkcamp.jpg
Oldschool! Aiiiight
And to all others threating i would beat u up sooo badly if i saw u irl etc, just die irl as our famous grizlas say it.
miss you laryoma 1 of the oldschool people a very cute kobold girl i most say
and sharma u so ewul ;( why me!!
would be fun if someone could post a chatlog or so from that evening tho
[03:57:03] @@Blejsabambam yells, "KILL GS!"
[03:57:05] @@Blejsabambam yells, "GET DORPS"
[03:57:37] @@Snooped From Blejsabambam:
[03:57:37] @@[Party] Blejsabambam: "RUUN"
laroma i fixed a SS just for
http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404019/pryd/OldSchool/apkcamp.jpg
Oldschool! Aiiiight
And to all others threating i would beat u up sooo badly if i saw u irl etc, just die irl as our famous grizlas say it.
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vincibility
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I'm not saying you're not telling the truth at all. What I'm saying is that you do want your characters back, right? At least you hoped you'd get them back.
The 'reverse psychology trick' I was referring to wasn't so much saying things like 'I don't want my characters back at all!' - I was being a bit exaggerated. A typical human response to a tricky situation is to under-sell themselves. For example, you walk into an exam room having revised your hardest. You try your very hardest, too. When you come out of that exam and you talk about it with your friends you wouldn't get many people say, 'Wow! I really don't think I can try any harder than that at all; I revised my hardest - if I don't do that well I guess I'm just a bit thick!'. It's more likely you'll get 'Ha! What a lame piece of rubbish! I didn't revise at all!'
You aim low - that way if you fail you say 'Should've revised.' If you pass you say 'Wow, aren't I a clever clogs? Didn't even revise!'
This is just an example - in your story I see the things like 'I don't want sympathy' and 'I know I've done everything wrong!', 'GOA screwed me over!' and 'I know you can't understand my true reasons but I don't blame you for it!' as ways of aiming your sights low. I'm just saying that I think you did want sympathy out of this (which you have got in some cases) and you did it for the slight hope that some people might agree with you on the GOA stealing your characters issue.
Anyway, I hope I'm managing to articulate all this reasonably - and please do know I think some of your action was comendable given the situation (like giving them the information in the end - even if it was probably over the chance of getting your account back) but the thing is I don't think you should have been anywhere near that situation in the first place.
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Hyuga Hinata
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That's odd, I don't remember allowing you to speak on my behalf. If you have something to say, say it for you and you alone, let other people post their opinions on their own.
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Laroma
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Please understand I write the story from my point of view, and therefore it also contains my feelings towards the whole situation. These might come off as being reverse psychology tricks to you, but to me it was just the best way I could put it.
In other words, this confession is written by me, for me, and whoever finds the story interesting. Those who think it's just a pile of crap to "win votes" against big-bad-GOA, to get my characters back, or think it's to try and justify the situation I brought myself in, they can just piss off and don't bother replying.
This is my honest, and as objective I could be given the situation, "review" of the past month in my DAoC "history".
In other words, this confession is written by me, for me, and whoever finds the story interesting. Those who think it's just a pile of crap to "win votes" against big-bad-GOA, to get my characters back, or think it's to try and justify the situation I brought myself in, they can just piss off and don't bother replying.
This is my honest, and as objective I could be given the situation, "review" of the past month in my DAoC "history".
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Gamah
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oooh your well 'ard...
Please try increase you brain size a little for the benefit of man kind!
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kimse
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Hey Laro ...
I will miss u in Forsete's Circle for sure... u were a great player imo
U did something wrong.... but
I think a lot would have been tempted to do that, if they had the chance...
And ofc I can understand that ppl get a bit angry when they cant play daoc for weeks because of this...
but take care....
I will miss u in Forsete's Circle for sure... u were a great player imo
U did something wrong.... but
I think a lot would have been tempted to do that, if they had the chance...
And ofc I can understand that ppl get a bit angry when they cant play daoc for weeks because of this...
but take care....
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if it´s anything it´s extortion, as he will give GOA something in return for something else.... Blackmail would be if he threatened to publish all the manuals in public unless he gets his account back.....
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lol
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old.Emma
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Sad to see it happen Laroma, although funny thing is i always thaught there was something odd going on with you, correct me if im wrong but it always baffled me how fast you could get characters to 50 on some servers along with legendary skills. If you bought the accounts then fair enough, otherwise i might have known something all along ;p
Anyway i know it sounds a bit two faced. But it is a sad moment to see you go after so many great xp session with you and rest of the onslaught team
Anyway i know it sounds a bit two faced. But it is a sad moment to see you go after so many great xp session with you and rest of the onslaught team
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kimse
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Go on ... laugh... You are mr.X, Zip... I know it
Ok, not funny I know.... blame me, im a mid
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Laroma
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old.Emma, that's completely wrong. As you can read in the essay, I had the GM characters on my account for roughly 3 weeks, after which I was banned. In all the time up to then (end of July) I have never touched anything that could be considered an exploit.
All my characters were leveled up the hard way, and so were my tradeskills.
All my characters were leveled up the hard way, and so were my tradeskills.
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I cant see why people are so nice here. Goa does something and they get flamed to bits,
Laroma/Sharma Haxxor and fuck the game for some people and suddenly "we will miss you" "sad to see you go" total BS. Some people cant play thanks to them and most of you are congratulating her/him and saying ill miss you.
I hope she will never step fot in the game ever again.
Laroma/Sharma Haxxor and fuck the game for some people and suddenly "we will miss you" "sad to see you go" total BS. Some people cant play thanks to them and most of you are congratulating her/him and saying ill miss you.
I hope she will never step fot in the game ever again.
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I'm really disappointed by some people. Being sad that a "hacker" (or exploiter, or whatever, still has the same meaning, morally) leaves the game? Be happy fgs!!!!!!!!! It's one of the guys that caused you all to have to wait a few days for your passes, and some still aren't able to play from what I can understand. Had it been my "friend" I would have turned my back and said good riddance. Bah!
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Laroma
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Frols, go read the essay again. I didn't "Haxxor" anything, nor did Sharma.
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kimse
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mt.. ups
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old.Revz
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It might be an idea to point all of this out to Mythic (they may only have heard GOAs end of it). According to what I've read GOA only really knew the extent of the problem after someone came clean about it. Sure they knew there was a problem but the way the servers suddenly came down smacks of them suddenly realising "omg someone has the entire account database ... shit!".
Also to have GM character on your account for 3 weeks and nobody doing anything. Furthermore to create more GMs and also level people beyond 50. Any one of those actions should set off a HUGE warning light in GOA headquarters.
Also to have GM character on your account for 3 weeks and nobody doing anything. Furthermore to create more GMs and also level people beyond 50. Any one of those actions should set off a HUGE warning light in GOA headquarters.
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The only misstake GOA did was to reopen your account again.
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Laroma
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> The only misstake GOA did was to reopen your account again.
Not likely I will be using it, so don't worry.
Not likely I will be using it, so don't worry.
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frols
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No u just used an exploit , dont report it and get it fixed .... no u decided you should play with it , fucking up the game for the legitimate players on the server.
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Laroma
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> No u just used an exploit , dont report it and get it fixed .... no u decided you should play with it , fucking up the game
> for the legitimate players on the server.
Wrong again. It wasn't the actions that made the servers come down. The information I provided them with is the reason for the downtime. How they handled the information, and corrected/fixed the holes was entirely their decision.
> for the legitimate players on the server.
Wrong again. It wasn't the actions that made the servers come down. The information I provided them with is the reason for the downtime. How they handled the information, and corrected/fixed the holes was entirely their decision.
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Hyuga Hinata
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ImLestat, does this whole incident mean that you will post with your pointless "hacker" replies on any threads that Laromia may say something in? You know, like you did with the kr0n incident and all.
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Never met or spoke to Laromia but bumped into Sharma a few times and found him a nice enough guy (change for girl if female).
It is a shame you didn't get what you were promised but at the end of the day, you did do something wrong.
I mean no disrespect to Laromia or Sharma but why are people having a go at GOA for not reinstating the account to what it was. GOA aren't the bay guys here, they and mrX (good one) are and while i see a lot of their friends who post here on a regular basis are showing some support, you should show some sympathy for the hundreds of people who were inconvenienced by this issue. The hundreds of people who, with out their subscriptions DAOC would not be running. It's not nice to lose a friend from anywhere and i can see you were both very popular people but posters on here need to be realistic, if it was someone you didn't know and they caused you problems like this, you'd want them hung by the balls.
If you shoot someone then hand the gun to the police, you've still shot someone.
It is a shame you didn't get what you were promised but at the end of the day, you did do something wrong.
I mean no disrespect to Laromia or Sharma but why are people having a go at GOA for not reinstating the account to what it was. GOA aren't the bay guys here, they and mrX (good one) are and while i see a lot of their friends who post here on a regular basis are showing some support, you should show some sympathy for the hundreds of people who were inconvenienced by this issue. The hundreds of people who, with out their subscriptions DAOC would not be running. It's not nice to lose a friend from anywhere and i can see you were both very popular people but posters on here need to be realistic, if it was someone you didn't know and they caused you problems like this, you'd want them hung by the balls.
If you shoot someone then hand the gun to the police, you've still shot someone.
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There are two reasons why I will not.
1. I rarely play this game any more and therefore doesn't feel as involved in it as I once did.
2. kr0n did one thing that I really hated, he ran around BOASTING of what he did, and that really ticked me off. Of course that was his intention but I didn't care. With Laromia I don't see any boasting behaviour, although you of course might argue that his posting is a kind of boasting in itself.
And besides that, give me a reason why you attack me. Am I the one who has caused you to have to wait for your passwords? Am I the one who caused all this grief? I guess you are like some of the people here, applauding people that does things like this while attacking the people that actually take a stand against already mentioned people, nice going there.......
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I've got to say, personally I do not feel angry about what Laromia and Sharma have done about this. However, I'm certainly not going to stick up for them.
If anything, I'm disappointed and saddened that two 'old school' members of the Prydwen community could act in this fashion to the rest of the Prydwen players, let alone the rest of the European DAOC players. I'm no saint, and am quite possibly one of the laziest E&E around, but if I'd been offered GM access even as an ordinary player I'd have taken it straight to the top - and damn well made sure something got done about it.
If GOA had been informed about MrX having access to a GM's account and tools right from the start, a simple change of the GOA internal passwords would have saved 10,000 people a great deal of grief. And GOA may have been able to actually work on other updates and patches for us, the players, instead of having to deal with the steaming pile of crap leftover from this mess.
All I can say, is I hope you two are ashamed. Yes, at the end of the day, it is only a game - however, it's a game people pay for, and a game people play to enjoy their free time.
If anything, I'm disappointed and saddened that two 'old school' members of the Prydwen community could act in this fashion to the rest of the Prydwen players, let alone the rest of the European DAOC players. I'm no saint, and am quite possibly one of the laziest E&E around, but if I'd been offered GM access even as an ordinary player I'd have taken it straight to the top - and damn well made sure something got done about it.
If GOA had been informed about MrX having access to a GM's account and tools right from the start, a simple change of the GOA internal passwords would have saved 10,000 people a great deal of grief. And GOA may have been able to actually work on other updates and patches for us, the players, instead of having to deal with the steaming pile of crap leftover from this mess.
All I can say, is I hope you two are ashamed. Yes, at the end of the day, it is only a game - however, it's a game people pay for, and a game people play to enjoy their free time.
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> If GOA had been informed about MrX having access to a GM's account and tools right from the start, a simple change of the
> GOA internal passwords would have saved 10,000 people a great deal of grief.
They were informed. At the point where MrX got hold of the first (to my knowledge) GM account on Avalon, I reported the incident to RightNow and Kemor directly. The reply from Kemor was "a little security breach it seems".
> GOA internal passwords would have saved 10,000 people a great deal of grief.
They were informed. At the point where MrX got hold of the first (to my knowledge) GM account on Avalon, I reported the incident to RightNow and Kemor directly. The reply from Kemor was "a little security breach it seems".
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