Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Scouse]

You're not getting it, he doesn't believe in that.

I agree - his actions belie his words. Especially when he was kicking people off twitter for things he doesn't like.

But in the round - he voices freedom of speech. Not a lot of people do that. In this world, with Labour saying stuff like above (which I notice we're not talking about because: "musk" is an excuse to not deal with the actual problem at hand, a nice avoidance tactic) - someone who leans that way is more welcome than not IMO.

 

[Embattle]

No he doesn't.

 

[Raven]

He couldn't give a toss about free speech. Fuck him.

 

[DaGaffer]

IMMIGRANTS IS BAD
WAIT IT'S GOOD
WAIT IT'S BAD
MORE AMERICAN EMPLOYEES!
SHIT, THEY EXPENSIVE NOT GOOD ENOUGH NEED TRAINING!
MORE IMMIGRANTS FOR CHEAP LABOUR EXPETISE!
SHIT. PEOPLE MIGHT REALISE I'M SOUTH AFRICAN AND WANT TO DEPORT ME!

Oh President Muskrat and Vice-President Trumpet.

Ketamine will do that.

 

[Gwadien]

I agree - his actions belie his words. Especially when he was kicking people off twitter for things he doesn't like.

But in the round - he voices freedom of speech. Not a lot of people do that. In this world, with Labour saying stuff like above (which I notice we're not talking about because: "musk" is an excuse to not deal with the actual problem at hand, a nice avoidance tactic) - someone who leans that way is more welcome than not IMO.

People have blocked Elon on X and yet they still get his feeds at the top of their X and they don't get feeds from people that they do follow but have different politics to Elon, please explain to me how that is freedom of speech and isn't censorship.

It's almost like he knows that if he says freedom of speech lots of people will blindly support him, as if there's a track record to this or something.

 

[Scouse]

I've already conceded that point @Gwadien - the quote you used from me says "his actions belie his words" etc. etc.

However, it appears that I don't even need the technical ability to keep posts in front of people, like musk does. If you mention Elon you can pretty much guarantee that nobody will talk about what you were actually wanting to talk about!

 

[Tom]

I no longer see any of his posts since I deactivated my account. I'm now on Bluesky, which is much more positive. The final straw for me was a Labour MP congratulating a local school on something, and all the top replies saying "they're all very brown those children".

 

[Embattle]

Meta to get rid of factcheckers and recommend more political content

Mark Zuckerberg says company will ‘dramatically reduce censorship’ across Facebook, Instagram and Threads

www.theguardian.com

 

[caLLous]

Meta to get rid of factcheckers and recommend more political content

Mark Zuckerberg says company will ‘dramatically reduce censorship’ across Facebook, Instagram and Threads

www.theguardian.com

Hot on the heels of them announcing their intention to flood Facebook and Instagram with AI bots... tear up this version of the internet and start again.

Meta Opens Floodgates For AI-Generated Accounts On Facebook, Instagram

AI-generated user accounts are the new normal for Instagram and Facebook parent, Meta. Here's how AI influencers and artificial accounts are evolving.

www.forbes.com

 

[Embattle]

Hot on the heels of them announcing their intention to flood Facebook and Instagram with AI bots... tear up this version of the internet and start again.

Meta Opens Floodgates For AI-Generated Accounts On Facebook, Instagram

AI-generated user accounts are the new normal for Instagram and Facebook parent, Meta. Here's how AI influencers and artificial accounts are evolving.

www.forbes.com

I would do nail these companies if their platforms become hubs of disinformation and lies.

 

[Raven]

Bin them all, social media is a fucking cancer.

 

[Scouse]

Bin them all, social media is a fucking cancer.

I said that from day one. Which is why I'm not a member of any of them.

It is optional, you know.

 

[Scouse]

And before someone says it, no, I don't include Whatsapp

 

[Scouse]

So, it turns out twatters from the uber-twat gets results:

Chris Mason: A clear nod to demands for a new child abuse inquiry

The BBC's political editor examines the government's announcement on grooming gangs.

www.bbc.co.uk

If by "results" we mean - more can-kicking rather than implementation of the outcomes of previous investigations.

The Tories did nothing and it looks like Labour, who have it in their power to do something are going to do the same nothing...

 

[Embattle]

I see the government tried to sneak out the hospital builds delay information under the blizzard of Trump news:

Host of hospital builds delayed by up to 14 years

Ministers say previous government promise for 40 new hospitals by 2030 was undeliverable.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

I see the government tried to sneak out the hospital builds delay information under the blizzard of Trump news:

Host of hospital builds delayed by up to 14 years

Ministers say previous government promise for 40 new hospitals by 2030 was undeliverable.

www.bbc.co.uk

Economics: "Anything we can do we can afford to do"...

Labour & Tories: "We can't afford it".

 

[Scouse]

Labour MPs ordered to sink landmark climate and environment bill

Exclusive: Supporters of bill say Labour has already insisted on removal of clauses requiring UK to meet targets agreed at Cop and other summits

www.theguardian.com

Sigh.

 

[Raven]

Wife and I have been giving serious thought to retiring onto a canal boat, when the cats have shuffled off this moral coil, full solar, and giving little thought to this fucking place.

 

[Deebs]

Wife and I have been giving serious thought to retiring onto a canal boat, when the cats have shuffled off this moral coil, full solar, and giving little thought to this fucking place.

Get some external cams on the boat as I suspect you dealing with your first canal lock will be a very speshul moment we can all treasure.

 

[old.Osy]

I no longer see any of his posts since I deactivated my account. I'm now on Bluesky, which is much more positive. The final straw for me was a Labour MP congratulating a local school on something, and all the top replies saying "they're all very brown those children".

+1 for Bluesky

 

[Scouse]

So then, the dumb bitch Badenoch is going full Trump:

Kemi Badenoch: UK may have to leave human rights treaty

The Conservative leader says international agreements must not stop the UK acting in its national interest.

www.bbc.co.uk

Britain FIRST. Pull out of ECHR. International Law doesn't keep us safe. Lets go our own way and fuck the rest of the world.

We have let ourselves be fooled into believing that international law alone can keep the peace" when "faced with a regime with no respect for the law

So, you going to withdraw your support for Israel then? Or would that cost you your job Kemi?

Oh, no no. That's just about Putin isn't it.

#hypocritical wankers. (Although Starmer's just a Trump dick-suck too).

 

[Raven]

Starmer needs to stop fucking about, or step aside. Feels like the promotion manager not cutting it in the prem, hand shakes all round, thanks for all you've done, bye.

 

[Scouse]

Starmer needs to stop fucking about, or step aside. Feels like the promotion manager not cutting it in the prem, hand shakes all round, thanks for all you've done, bye.

Labour are doing exactly what they always intended to do - carrying on the blarite project.

That's why they didn't say what they were going to do before the general election - because nobody would have voted for them. They're still not transparent about what their intentions are.

But what should be clear to everyone that voted for them - they don't give a fuck about the NHS. They don't give a fuck about social care. They don't give a fuck about the environment and they don't give a fuck about housing (because projected immigration is higher than their house build targets (that they won't meet)).

• The NHS and social care - they've annouced another round of consulations, which finish at the end of their term in parliament. So rather than "hit the ground running" with reform, they're kicking the can down the road.
• They're doing more austerity. They're indistinguisable economically from the Tories.
• They ditched the 28bn environmental spend and instead gave it to British Petroleum ostensibly to fund unproven CCS - but really to help out their shareholders.
• They don't give a fuck about the uber-rich - they're taxing the working middle classes a bit harder.

They'll gerrymander the vote a bit and ensure their ideology sticks, regardless of who gets voted in next.

Lets be honest though. It was all kind of obvious before the election. And given the fact that they're persuing the identical economic policies that the Tories followed and they're going to implement more unwelcome wankery that only 15% of us would ever vote for, then the argument could potentially be made: Would we have been actually better off under the conservatives?

 

[Scouse]

Looks like Labour are going full Trump, with "project chainsaw" - named after the DOGE-r.

Crackdown on quangos part of radical government proposal to reform state

Exclusive: Proposals also include cutting thousands of civil service jobs and restructuring NHS England

www.theguardian.com

 

[Tom]

It'll only really be news if the government act on any such recommendations. In any case, the NHS certainly does need all the help it can get.

I do get pretty annoyed with the constant "tax rises" fears. One way to increase the tax take is to improve productivity. Investing in the NHS to improve delivery is a very, very good way to improve the UK's productivity.

 

[Raven]

It'll only really be news if the government act on any such recommendations. In any case, the NHS certainly does need all the help it can get.

I do get pretty annoyed with the constant "tax rises" fears. One way to increase the tax take is to improve productivity. Investing in the NHS to improve delivery is a very, very good way to improve the UK's productivity.

I was in and out of hospital for a few years, a few years ago, overnight stays etc. On a personal level the staff were phenomenal, but it was weird, there was usually a group of nurses rushing about like mad, then a group of admin people just stood around doing nothing, I got moved 4 times in one day once because someone wanted to clean around my bed. Trying to get discharged was a nightmare, they claim they don't have enough beds, but take forever to let you leave your bed. I just walked out once.

There is a HUGE amount of waste, or resources that could be spread better. Ultimately it is a time/resource management issue, they could lose half the admin/management staff, and use those funds for more nurses.

And don't get me started on having a blood test done at my GP, then having to have the exact same tests at the hospital, a few days later. A waste of their time, and a waste of my time.

 

[Tom]

Sorry Raven but that's nonsense, you can't blame all NHS waste on management. You can blame lots of NHS waste on a lack of management, because no matter whether you like them or not, you need them to organise care. You can't have doctors and nurses doing that. Who books extra staff when more are needed? Managers. Who organises operations, treatments, wards, booking in, etc? Managers. Who looks after the buildings? Managers.

The issue isn't too much management, it's not enough money.

 

[Gwadien]

Sorry Raven but that's nonsense, you can't blame all NHS waste on management. You can blame lots of NHS waste on a lack of management, because no matter whether you like them or not, you need them to organise care. You can't have doctors and nurses doing that. Who books extra staff when more are needed? Managers. Who organises operations, treatments, wards, booking in, etc? Managers. Who looks after the buildings? Managers.

The issue isn't too much management, it's not enough money.

I disagree, whilst money is defo needed we also need to address the continuing issues in public sector management.

NHS - Nurses on bank getting up to 400-500 a day, this is enabled by the NHS. Not sure why it should be rewarded.

Dozen of education trusts across the UK who's bossmen are on half a mill a year, if I used to work for the local authority in education id be massively offended suggesting that they've had *that* much of an impact.

 

[Scouse]

I disagree, whilst money is defo needed we also need to address the continuing issues in public sector management.

Agree with this - funding is required, but there are absolutely management issues - but for me, management empowerment in the public sector is a problem. There are obstacles to required reforms. Add to that - public sector management salaries? All the good ones are in the private sector - and there's nothing worse than a bad manager. We've been discussing the quality of NHS IT in our professional IT organisation and it's a fucking joke for something that should be if not simple, relatively straightforward.

NHS - Nurses on bank getting up to 400-500 a day, this is enabled by the NHS. Not sure why it should be rewarded.

This, however, is just pure and simple "mwahhh, they earn too much" jealousy.

If you're getting asked at zero notice to come in and fix staffing gaps, maybe only for a day, then that's fine. No problem with that.

The problem again is one of intelligent management - you should be running your organisation lean, but not so lean that you have to spend a significant proportion of your budget on short-term contract staff. We're aiming about 70/30 permie/contract - and that's because we ramp up to deliver big projects. But nursing levels should be relatively static because they're not delivering "projects", they're delivering care - which is much more of a static, known, quantity.

Dozen of education trusts across the UK who's bossmen are on half a mill a year, if I used to work for the local authority in education id be massively offended suggesting that they've had *that* much of an impact.

On the face of it, that's a lot - but if the targets are ambitious and correct, and they're actually hitting them then that half a mill a year might be cheap. But there should be a base pay and the the vast majority performance related. But you won't attract the best "talent" without a big wadge up front (why don't they just work in the private sector).

 

[Scouse]

So, Article 8 of the Human Rights Act is a "loophole", accoring to Starmer.

Yvette Cooper reviews right to family life for people who enter UK irregularly

Government reviews use of human rights law to argue for people being allowed to stay, which PM called a ‘loophole’

www.theguardian.com

Can someone who voted for Labour please explain to me how they're any different to the Tories?

(Or even better - as they're all clearly the same, how our democracy is actually real?)