Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Embattle]

Oof:
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That is sort of how I thought it might go.

 

[Embattle]

Nigel keeping up with the Trump like comments.

 

[Raven]

Being the optimist, they will make such a fuck-up at local level, it may keep them out of power.

 

[Scouse]

Being the optimist, they will make such a fuck-up at local level, it may keep them out of power.

Just humans doing the same sort of shit that other humans will do. Nobody will be able to tell much of a difference.

 

[DaGaffer]

I've not been paying attention to all this, so can someone explain it to me? Is it because Labour are too Tory? Or not Tory enough?

 

[Embattle]

I've not been paying attention to all this, so can someone explain it to me? Is it because Labour are too Tory? Or not Tory enough?

14 years of Tory rule have soured people's opinion of government even more than in the past, especially the last few years of the Tory shitshow. So you get a new captain of the ship in the form of Labour, who goes on to make a few whopping own goals even though there may of been a case for what they did the public was already pissed. Thus, you get some people who like what Reform says and promises, but don't look under the hood at the actual reality of what they say versus the practical reality of doing it and then some are sending a message to the main parties not to take the piss. Then people like Scouse believe that Tories and Labour are essentially the same.

 

[caLLous]

14 years of Tory rule have soured people's opinion of government even more than in the past, especially the last few years of the Tory shitshow. So you get a new captain of the ship in the form of Labour, who goes on to make a few whopping own goals even though there may of been a case for what they did the public was already pissed. Thus, you get some people who like what Reform says and promises, but don't look under the hood at the actual reality of what they say versus the practical reality of doing it and then some are sending a message to the main parties not to take the piss. Then people like Scouse believe that Tories and Labour are essentially the same.

The problem is, while the Reform councillors will all probably constantly make fools of themselves, due to the nature of who they are and who Farage is, they'll still get away with deflecting and whining that it's all really someone else's fault and enough idiots will lap it up. They lie to get into power then they lie when they're there to blame someone else for their own failings. Yes, yes, welcome to politics, but these aren't slightly exagerrated manifesto pledges, they're outright lies that these populists have no intention of ever fulfilling. Some seem to think that sort of behaviour deserves to be rewarded by defending them and saying they're all as bad as each other, er I mean "playing devils advocate".

 

[Scouse]

14 years of Tory rule have soured people's opinion

Nah. I was optimistic in '97 and drank in the d-ream kool-aid thinking things were going to get better under a Labour government.

Then I found out what they were - and am now watching Starmer finish off the failed Blairite project, whilst redoing Tory austerity.

They're not "the same" but there is not much materially different between them. And I'll say it again - material is the word.

Voters can see this. Which is why they don't turn up, or vote Reform.

Edit: @caLLous - they all lie. Labour and Tories and Reform. You think that just because Reform's are bigger lies, or more obvious, that they're somehow worse? I don't - because lying is lying.

What do you think people should have voted when they desparately want change. Lying Tories, Lying Labour or Lying Shitshow Reform?

If you say Lying Tories or Lying Labour then you are part of the problem. You're ignoring the fact that these Brexit-voting asshats have been repeatedly failed by the traditional parties. Voting Tory or Labour, for them, is out of the question.

Crying "But Reform will be worse!" isn't facing their problems in (at least) intellectual solidarity. It's simply ignoring and dismissing them.