Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Raven]

Fuck Elon Musk, and his Rubles.

 

[Scouse]

Yes, and that's completely their right to do so. They didn't invite Putin or paedophiles either. You could also argue Musk has done more harm to the world than Israel has.

I'm no fan of musk. but comparing him to Putin or a paedophile?

I'd like to see that argument though @Zarjazz. I don't think you can make that argument at all - and I fucking love arguing.

So humour us - have a stab at making it. I like a laugh.

 

[Gwadien]

The argument is simple; time and again you've downplayed the role of social media in the world, and your inability to comprehend that means you don't see the danger that Musk creates.

The modus operandi of Musk is 'because I can'.

I can make us all pay for stuff on the internet.

I can revolutionise the car market.

I can revolutionise the space industry.

I can revolutionise politics, not bothered how, so long as I can.

 

[Zarjazz]

I fucking love arguing.

I don't, it bores me. I'd rather be playing Satisfactory.

Any justification I can leave for people like @Gwadien to explain. They understand.

 

[Scouse]

The argument is simple; time and again you've downplayed the role of social media in the world, and your inability to comprehend that means you don't see the danger that Musk creates.

The modus operandi of Musk is 'because I can'.

I can make us all pay for stuff on the internet.

I can revolutionise the car market.

I can revolutionise the space industry.

I can revolutionise politics, not bothered how, so long as I can.

I've killed 40,000+ prisoner Palestinians, bombed their schools and hospitals and am now bombing Lebanon risking wider middle eastern war, because my government is inherently racist.
I've invaded Ukraine and am threatening the west with nuclear war.
I fuck children.


Yeah. There's massive equivalence there. But "social media" eh?! WoooowooOOOOoooOOOO! It's the big bad!!11!! Musk talks shit, like all humans! STOP HIM!

He can sell cars
He has revolutionised the space industry.

The left is more interested in people saying stuff that they don't like than actual fucking atrocities.

Evidence is right here in this thread.

 

[Scouse]

BTW - I don't think musk gives a fuck. He doesn't need the cash, and since France are inviting him to their investment junket instead I bet he'll be happy to invest there.

It's not like blighty needs the fucking investment eh?

 

[Embattle]

BTW - I don't think musk gives a fuck. He doesn't need the cash, and since France are inviting him to their investment junket instead I bet he'll be happy to invest there.

It's not like blighty needs the fucking investment eh?

To my knowledge he was already chummy with the French, for someone who seems to take the high ground all the time you certainly like to ignore it for the sake of having an argument.

As for Musk, he tends to get more credit than he has ever deserved and to me has more in common with the Cuckoo than other humans. His wealth comes from the Ponzi like scheme that is the selling and inflating of Tesla Shares.

 

[Scouse]

The high ground? He's done nothing illegal. He just talks shit on the internet and makes fucktons of money.

That doesn't make him a murderer, or a paedo, or a war criminal. That just makes him a twat of a human.

But a rich twat of a human, who's investment this country desparately needs. And we're not doing that because we don't like his opinions.

That makes us fucking idiots in my book.

 

[Scouse]

So then. Apparently Musk said we were letting paedos out of prison early to lock up people posting shit on social media related to the riots.

The guardian has lept to Labour's defence saying that early release wasn't for sex offenders.

Then they weasled - when paedos convictions for child fiddling were spent, but convictions for 'lesser offences' weren't, we commuted those lesser offences. So we didn't "release paedos".

But it looks very much like we did.

 

[Gwadien]

Musk said he likes freedom of speech

Scouse agrees with him and now therefore supports him.

Little does Scouse know Musk doesn't give a flying fuck about freedom of speech.

If you actually looked at what he did at Twitter, a knuckle dragging retard with half a brain cell could see that.

 

[Scouse]

Scouse agrees with him and now therefore supports him.

I have said I think he's a cunt.

You've equated him with a paedo, an invader and a war criminal.

So, not only am I not a "supporter" of Musk - you're showing yourselves up to be delusional.

My beef is with Labour for being blinkered asshats and people who are more concerned with "bad words" than they are genocide.

 

[Gwadien]

I have said I think he's a cunt.

You've equated him with a paedo, an invader and a war criminal.

So, not only am I not a "supporter" of Musk - you're showing yourselves up to be delusional.

My beef is with Labour for being blinkered asshats and people who are more concerned with "bad words" than they are genocide'

'bad words'.

You're not even trying to understand.

 

[Scouse]

'bad words'.

You're not even trying to understand.

What has he done that's so bad you're equating him with paedos and murderers.

I'm not understanding because you're not making an effort to explain yourself.

 

[Gwadien]

What has he done that's so bad you're equating him with paedos and murderers.

I'm not understanding because you're not making an effort to explain yourself.

I didn't equate him with paedos and murderers, are you actually a GB news 'journalist'?

He's a threat to democracy, so one could possibly make the case that in the grand scheme of things that's worse than paedos and murderers.

He has intentionally set up Twitter to lead their audience to right-wing news sources, OK, fine, it's his bzns.

But who is he supporting, the likes of Trump and Reform - who claim to be the defenders of freedom of speech, but it is their intent to have their views as the new truth, they don't even hide this.

But let's be honest right, you're not really bothered about paedos being released from prison, you're more bothered about people being in prison for social media posts, because again you don't understand social media.

 

[Scouse]

Your abject terror of free speech and Trump leads you to say some very silly things.

Twatter isn't a threat to democracy any more than the left is or newspapers were. I understand it fine. I just don't agree with you.

you're not really bothered about paedos being released from prison

Actually I am.

If the guardian is to be believed (and it's the news source I read the most by far) then paedos were released by labour to lock people up for social media posts. If that doesn't bother you then there's something wrong.

 

[Scouse]

Wow, we're now at £32,000 of clothes for Starmer alone:

Peer gave Keir Starmer more clothes worth £16,000, declared as money for private office

Exclusive: Donations worth £10,000 in October 2023 and £6,000 in February 2024 bring gifted clothes total to £32,000

www.theguardian.com

That's more money than I've spent on clothes in my entire life.

 

[Ormorof]

Twitter is not some haven of free speech, never has been.

 

[Scouse]

Twitter is not some haven of free speech, never has been.

Never said it was. None of the social media apps are. They're designed as money gougers and to do that they have to drive engagement, nothing more.

This was the case before Musk bought it.

I fail to see why people get so worked up about something that isn't much bigger in social media terms than pinterest:

Biggest social media platforms by users 2024 | Statista

Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, and WhatsApp are the most popular social networks worldwide, each with at least two billion active users.

www.statista.com

methinks it's because Musk is a darling hate-figure of the left. But ymmv.

 

[Scouse]

I mean - I never liked her, but this is a record for an MP resigning in protest.

Rosie Duffield resigns as Labour MP with scathing attack on Keir Starmer’s leadership

Politician cites ‘cruel and unnecessary policies’ as she lambasts prime minister’s ‘managerial and technocratic approach’

www.theguardian.com

they've only just won!

 

[Ormorof]

It kinda highlights the problem of the two party system, in reality there's probably a spectrum of 4-5 parties in there

If she fundamentally disagrees with the party she campaigns for she should not be in it

Not defending Starmer here the whole gift thing is a spectacular own goal that anyone with half a brain should have flagged as not ok, a sign perhaps he has too many people eager to please and not enough candid folks around him

 

[Gwadien]

It kinda highlights the problem of the two party system, in reality there's probably a spectrum of 4-5 parties in there

If she fundamentally disagrees with the party she campaigns for she should not be in it

Not defending Starmer here the whole gift thing is a spectacular own goal that anyone with half a brain should have flagged as not ok, a sign perhaps he has too many people eager to please and not enough candid folks around him

But she'd still probably be supporting him in a coalition government in a non two party system.

 

[Embattle]

It is minor in scale but when you look at cash for questions, expenses scandal, favours, gifts, parties, etc. it feeds into the on going narrative that people have around our politicians.

 

[Scouse]

Not defending Starmer here the whole gift thing is a spectacular own goal that anyone with half a brain should have flagged as not ok, a sign perhaps he has too many people eager to please and not enough candid folks around him

Stalin sacked all of those people when he purged the left from the party. Labour isn't welcoming to dissenting voices.

 

[ECA]

Stalin sacked all of those people when he purged the left from the party. Labour isn't welcoming to dissenting voices.

Yes the conservatives would never.

2019 suspension of rebel Conservative MPs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Overdriven]

Nothing gets poor people more riled up than rich people getting free stuff. 10/10 entertainment for such a non-issue. 🍿

It's valid when they're spending public money on it, but c'mon.. Their corporate sponsors alone pay them in gold.

Either declare everything or stop bitching about it. It'll never stop.

 

[Scouse]

Yes the conservatives would never.

2019 suspension of rebel Conservative MPs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Question of scale @ECA.

Starmer's purge of the left was like a pogrom.

 

[Scouse]

Nothing gets poor people more riled up than rich people getting free stuff. 10/10 entertainment for such a non-issue. 🍿

It's valid when they're spending public money on it, but c'mon.. Their corporate sponsors alone pay them in gold.

Either declare everything or stop bitching about it. It'll never stop.

Or stop public servants from accepting donations.

I can't take a single thing because I work for the bank because of the regulations brought in after the financial crash to stop this sort of conflict of interest stuff. Politicians should be first on that line.

Tickets from Arsenal? Obvious conflict of interest with the government setting up a football regulator.

 

[Embattle]

I wonder if it falls under BiK

 

[Embattle]

LoL

Liz Truss: Tories would have done better in UK election if I had stayed PM

Truss blames Tory MPs, Bank of England and OBR for dire reaction to her mini-budget – and refuses to back any leadership contender

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwadien]

Or stop public servants from accepting donations.

I can't take a single thing because I work for the bank because of the regulations brought in after the financial crash to stop this sort of conflict of interest stuff. Politicians should be first on that line.

Tickets from Arsenal? Obvious conflict of interest with the government setting up a football regulator.

lol @ you equating Stalin to Starmer, you really have lost it.

Secondly - the whole football thing is because Starmer is/was a season ticket holder and he always went with the same group of mates throughout his life, then when he became PM they obviously put a stop to that due to security reasons, so football teams started giving him tickets to 'secure' areas instead.

'Starmer's purge of the left was like a pogrom.' - This is gonna join Job with his other lunatic quotes.