Politics 2024/25 General Election Voting Intention (2022)

[Scouse]

Lords members would be forced to retire at 80 under Labour plans

Sir Keir Starmer has promised to "modernise" the Lords with new rules and by phasing out hereditary peers.

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Don't really understand the retire at 80 thing.

I mean, it's a massive backtrack on promised lords reform. Labour have failed twice at doing that now. But stopping heredity? Check. Is it just that Labour hates octogenarians? And most of the over 80's are Labour anyway.

 

[Overdriven]

Lords members would be forced to retire at 80 under Labour plans

Sir Keir Starmer has promised to "modernise" the Lords with new rules and by phasing out hereditary peers.

www.bbc.co.uk

Don't really understand the retire at 80 thing.

I mean, it's a massive backtrack on promised lords reform. Labour have failed twice at doing that now. But stopping heredity? Check. Is it just that Labour hates octogenarians? And most of the over 80's are Labour anyway.

I think the maximum age to be in government should be the retirement age. Or there should be a way to have a voice of each generation in the room at all time.

Bon, 81, who's expected to die in 6 months shouldn't be having any involvement at all with decisions lasting beyond their lifespan.

 

[Scouse]

Bon, 81, who's expected to die in 6 months shouldn't be having any involvement at all with decisions lasting beyond their lifespan.

I disagree. For a start, legislation on end of life care would be dramatically well-served by someone experiencing it first-hand.

But beyond that it's a matter of both representation (there are plenty of over 80's who should have a voice - we're looking to give 16-year-olds the vote because we want them to represent their own views, it seems brutish take that away from the elderly?) and talent - there's plenty of highly intelligent 80 year olds from whom we can benefit from (and plenty of 40 year old utter fuckheads).

 

[Embattle]

I think the maximum age to be in government should be the retirement age. Or there should be a way to have a voice of each generation in the room at all time.

Bon, 81, who's expected to die in 6 months shouldn't be having any involvement at all with decisions lasting beyond their lifespan.

The problem with that is if you take it to its logical conclusion then nothing would ever last longer than a lifetime, yet a lot of stuff we rely on does.

I'm more in the camp of abolishing the Lords completely as I don't see much point and it is a saving that could be made, and no I don't want a second elected house either.

 

[DaGaffer]

I disagree. For a start, legislation on end of life care would be dramatically well-served by someone experiencing it first-hand.

How are they going to do that then? With a seance?

I think at best you're going to get second hand ...

 

[Scouse]

How are they going to do that then? With a seance?

I think at best you're going to get second hand ...

End-of-life care isn't just the couple of days before you kark it.

If he's going to be dead in 6 months then he's definitely interacting with the NHS already and the idea of what is shortly going to be happening to him I'm sure is starkly present.

If he can see problems that he can contribute to fixing then who better than that to have a "I'm going through this" patient perspective?

It's something that's going to happen to you, your parents, your partner, your kids, your grandchildren.

Excluding the very people who are nearest to this sort of stuff seems like a very perverse way of kicking ourselves in the balls, no?

 

[DaGaffer]

End-of-life care isn't just the couple of days before you kark it.

If he's going to be dead in 6 months then he's definitely interacting with the NHS already and the idea of what is shortly going to be happening to him I'm sure is starkly present.

If he can see problems that he can contribute to fixing then who better than that to have a "I'm going through this" patient perspective?

It's something that's going to happen to you, your parents, your partner, your kids, your grandchildren.

Excluding the very people who are nearest to this sort of stuff seems like a very perverse way of kicking ourselves in the balls, no?

You don't think they might have other things to think about?

Of course in reality the NHS are surveying their patients all the time (including the terminal ones), but it's not likely to be the most... objective time of one's life.

 

[Scouse]

You don't think they might have other things to think about?

Of course in reality the NHS are surveying their patients all the time (including the terminal ones), but it's not likely to be the most... objective time of one's life.

Watched my uncle, bright as a whistle, working his ass off, doing good shit at that time.

Not everyone meets death as a gibbering emotional wreck. 🤷


Edit: Regardless, it still doesn't add up to any sort of argument over why over-80's shouldn't have representation. If people want to work then we shouldn't be mandating a stop. Assuming Labour do actually deal with the inheritance issue, then I see no reason for the ageism.

 

[Tom]

The lords is mostly just a continuation of the stupid class system we have, and a way to get money from people who like titles. Get rid of all of them, remove their "Lord" titles (Alan Sugar springs to mind), replace them with staff recruited from specialist fields by an independent body. And if 16 year olds are to have the vote, let's have some teenagers in that upper house too.

Oh and get rid of all that stupid OBE shite. And the monarchy too. Freeloaders, fuck off.

 

[Raven]

We may think we are in a shitty place...but...

Jordan Bardella could be French PM at 28. But who is he really?

Jordan Bardella's rise has been meteoric after being spotted by Marine Le Pen

www.bbc.co.uk

...at least we aren't France. Crikey,

 

[Embattle]

IFS snippet on Reform:

Reform UK proposes tax cuts that it estimates would cost nearly £90bn per year, and spending increases of £50bn per year. It claims that it would pay for these through £150bn per year of reductions in other spending, covering public services, debt interest and working-age benefits.

This would represent a big cut to the size of the state. Regardless of the pros and cons of shrinking the state, or of any of their specific measures, the package as a whole is problematic. Spending reductions would save less than stated, and the tax cuts would cost more than stated, by a margin of tens of billions of pounds per year. Meanwhile the spending increases would cost more than stated if they are to achieve their objectives …

Even with the extremely optimistic assumptions about how much economic growth would increase, the sums in this manifesto do not add up. Whilst Reform’s manifesto gives a clear sense of priority, a government could only implement parts of this package, or would need to find other ways to help pay for it, which would mean losers not specified

 

[Overdriven]

We may think we are in a shitty place...but...

Jordan Bardella could be French PM at 28. But who is he really?

Jordan Bardella's rise has been meteoric after being spotted by Marine Le Pen

www.bbc.co.uk

...at least we aren't France. Crikey,

- Immigrants to be removed unless working and contributing. "Secondary french". (Algeria etc) basically given notice to behave.
- Homeless to be sent away from Paris/Forced to work.
- Public services increased funding.
- Religious iconography outside of Catholicism/Judaism removed from schools and public places.
-! HEFTY ban on religious wear, worse than it is now.
- Police given massive amounts of authority and powder.

The far right French don't fuck around. Imagine the French riots if the police had carte blanche permissions to stop it with any means possible.

My family are a bit anxious about this (90% of them living within Paris.). It's basically "Imagine UKIP telling the police to remove Muslims" level of problematic.

 

[Scouse]

- Religious iconography outside of Catholicism/Judaism removed from schools and public places.

Why not Catholocism/Judaism too?

 

[Wij]

Why not Catholocism/Judaism too?

White people religions.

 

[Overdriven]

Why not Catholocism/Judaism too?

White people religions.

French were classically Roman Catholic and subsets of it. All for God etc etc etc etc. Covenants were a huge thing.

But yeah.. White people religions.

Wearing a cross or Kippa (etc) is significantly less... Troublesome.

Certain schools allow Kippa (etc) and crosses, but any sort of government funded school (I think all of them by law now?) don't allow anything.

Take that as the basis and extrapolate.

 

[Scouse]

Yeah - I thought France had total separation of church and state.

 

[Overdriven]

It's one of the few things I agree with. They should be separate. Though I suppose we've not had a revolution in a little while to cause it.

 

[Scouse]

Turns out they did, for a few years: Separation of Church and State (France, 1905) | Encyclopedia.com

Ah well. Maybe they should have taken the revolution south and sacked the vatican whilst they were on a roll.

 

[Raven]

Turns out Reform paid a firm to do their vetting...except the firm didn't actually sell vetting, they sold access to a system to do it yourself, and Farage has got himself all upset and emotional about it, threatening to call the police and all sorts.

Oh dear god, this is going to be funny.

 

[Embattle]

I'm not sure why Tories keep begging the electorate not to give Labour a massive majority, it is like they don't understand the reason they might end up with one is because of how bad the Tories have been:

Jeremy Hunt: Labour government would need effective opposition

The chancellor is the latest senior Tory to acknowledge his party could be on course for defeat.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[caLLous]

They've been reduced to begging people to vote for them instead of Reform.

 

[Raven]

I'm not sure why Tories keep begging the electorate not to give Labour a massive majority, it is like they don't understand the reason they might end up with one is because of how bad the Tories have been:

Jeremy Hunt: Labour government would need effective opposition

The chancellor is the latest senior Tory to acknowledge his party could be on course for defeat.

www.bbc.co.uk

They have suddenly realised that they are utterly ruined.