wtf are we gone get now ?

[Cadelin]

A nice post and this is a really interesting POV. However from my perspective asking everyone to release everything is possibly unfair on Alb as a whole because this is only a small group of people who constantly do this kind of thing. By lowering the relic keep it is a direct statement at what happened. It just seems like a much better statement to be honest. The message is directly correlated to the problem.

What exactly is unfair? Its not like DF is the best place to exp anymore, and I don't think that many people exp in the alb frontier. Yes there is a chance that albs will lose their relics prime time but that has happened before. Last time albs AC hib relic, hibs and mid managed to take every keep in albion except hurbury (where the hib relic was) and renaris. Hibs and Mids got one alb relic each but by the next morning the relics had been AC back.

Preventing your realm mates playing how they like (within any reasonable CoC) isn't going to solve anything. All we know for sure is that the next time a relic is taken it will be put in a keep that is owned by an alliance that supports the raid.

 

[Sharkith]

Not sure what your driving at - can you expand on your post?

 

[Muppet]

you should read the thread closer - he already said he does not like AC raids. He therefore surely has an idea about how the community could discourage them? Its easy to come on here and be irresponsible with posts and to sling mud at a really nice bunch of people for doing something they believed in. he started this don't forget. Now what we are finding is that all he wanted to so was sling mud since he hasn't even got an alternative course of action for TT other than FO...

Now you tell me - who is the responsible one? Someone screaming civil war and yapping like crazy without even once providing a reasoned alternative or TT who have all come on here and defended their decision in a carefully worded and reasoned manner....

So I can ask this question of him and I shall insist on an answer.

Naw I just find it funny that most of you all announce that you goto avalon ect or quit or whatever and then deceide to mix in this discusion anyway.
I didnt say you couldnt ask the question I just asked you a question because you were so anxious for an answer.

I dont really see why, just because he mentioned to the rest of the board instead of just doing it sneaky around everyones back, he should come up with a solution that is obviously not his problem. All the arguments about having a full server dont even apply anymore because, most of you already announced to leave.

He might have mentioned that he is no supporter of AC raids, yet he also said he believes in the game being 24/7.

Basically what you just said is that everyone that is a non-supporter of AC raids should come up with a solution for the AC raiding problem. Yet the difference is, a non-supporter of AC raids is different from an anti AC raid-person (as in doesnt have a problem with AC raids and consequences, but just doesnt like the fact that its happening).

Ill give you another example, I (normally) dont have the priviledge of playtime after 15:00-16:00 pm CET (only between 18:00 and 0:00). Now today I had the afternoon off (for a change), I log in to find that hibernians are actually taking towers and trying to get renaris somewhere between 14:00 and 17:00 CET. Which is basically the same thing everyone is screaming murder about lately with the 7:00 am raids and keep takes, since its a time when most people are still at work (at least in this country )
You know what, I cant be bothered, if it happens it happens. If I had to get my panties in a bunch over every tower/keep/relic take at irregular times then Id just quit the game because its no longer providing me fun just grief. I just look past it and deal with it without bothering everyone else about it.

This is not about getting him to defend my playstyle its about how we interact as a group of people - a much much bigger thing than a game Muppet.... are you telling me I should shut up?

And how would you like to interact then, should we just because were in the same realm as the AC raiders act as a liason to intermediate between the AC raiders and the anti-AC raiders?!!
Also, if its much bigger then a game....then what are you playing anyway?
You make it sound like its become a personal issue that needs to be solved.

I for one am not intending to force thoughts on people nor am telling people to shut up or whatever. Everyone is free to do what they want to do, whether or not I agree with that.
Putting words in someone else his/her mouth to make him/her look stupid is never nice tbh.

Obviously because "our" solutions got a 27 page thread, you that thick?

Are you going to keep flamebaiting everyone in the thread or is there going to be something constructive at page 75?

 

[Cadelin]

Not sure what your driving at - can you expand on your post?

You said that if all the albs that disagreed released their towers/keeps it would be unfair on the whole of albion. I don't really see why this is, you don't lose anything for not owning keeps/towers (you just gain a small advantage if you own extra)

 

[swords]

Socrates believed that real truth could be found out through thought and collaboration with others. He was known for exposing ignorance, hypocrisy, and conceit. Despite having many followers, Socrates was disliked by most Athenians.

At the age of 70, he was convicted of atheism, treason and corruption of the young. He was sentenced to death by a jury of 500 fellow men. He refused several opportunities to escape from prison. This great man valued the law over his life, and so he chose to fulfill his sentence of death by drinking hemlock instead of leaving and living in banishment for the remainder of his life.

Socrates is best remembered for his courage and strong moral beliefs which manifested themselves in his lifestyle. Although Socrates did not dwell much on the heavenly bodies, his beliefs that searching could bring about understanding of the world and humans in it laid a foundation that is still very much a part of modern science.

 

[Javai]

Socrates believed that real truth could be found out through thought and collaboration with others. He was known for exposing ignorance, hypocrisy, and conceit. Despite having many followers, Socrates was disliked by most Athenians.

At the age of 70, he was convicted of atheism, treason and corruption of the young. He was sentenced to death by a jury of 500 fellow men. He refused several opportunities to escape from prison. This great man valued the law over his life, and so he chose to fulfill his sentence of death by drinking hemlock instead of leaving and living in banishment for the remainder of his life.

Socrates is best remembered for his courage and strong moral beliefs which manifested themselves in his lifestyle. Although Socrates did not dwell much on the heavenly bodies, his beliefs that searching could bring about understanding of the world and humans in it laid a foundation that is still very much a part of modern science.

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/people/ancient_epoch/socrates.html&edu=high

Plagiarism is a bad thing.

 

[Phake]

Seriously man, ask yourself why they left. Really it is very simpel. When you have a fuckup expansion/addon/whatever like NF where diffrent playstyles can't co-exist very well, one or both sides will whine. Obviously the 'nice guys irl' are the ones that activly ruin the "l33t pricks" gaming experience, be it 8v8, small scale or 1v1. You add thus you ruin, it is THAT simpel. Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't add, if you enjoy it then go ahead, you pay your subs...but the reality is that it eats on the SotG, people become frustrated and they will cry about it.
What I just explained to you how tremendously hard it might be for you "ppl" to grasp is one of a few reasons to why things are like they are.

The l337 ppl need the newbs, and the newbs need the l33t ppl ( I'm just using this names or terms so ppl know what I mean, not intended to stir things up), there has to be little of everything for all. In OF this was the case, even if a random newb now gonna step up and says his Avalonian paladin with 50 parry never got a group. In OF all this worked better, alot better.
But the reality at hand isn't with OF but with NF so we need to do our best here to respect eachother, wich we fail to do. You keep adding, you keep ruining fair fights, you keep ACing and yes we keep abusing you and cursing you. As someone said this is a visious (sp) circle wich might be to late to break.

The "grass is greener on Avalon" people you refer to did the only thing they could do, they quit the server. This will of course affect everyone else since people bring people and you get something simular to a mass-psychosis where lots of people jump the ship, kinda.
Can you blame them for doing this? Hardly.

Seeing how this thread developed it is very clear, atleast to me, that the two camps or oppositions can't relate to the others preference in gaming, I can be frank and honestly say I think alot of the post and arguments posted are just nonesense and bullshit, randomly spouted out by clueless people. I know I shouldn't feel that way, but instead respect their opinions, but I don't.
I'm sure many of you feel the same. With this in mind wouldn't it be more constructive to try and get some real change, e-mail bombard the guys in charge about clustering, char transfears you name it. I could say bring back OF but I'm no fool I do know that is not on the agenda, and never will be.

Awfully long post, abit too long, ah well.

Imo after this really nice post, do we really have to discuss this further?

 

[swords]

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/people/ancient_epoch/socrates.html&edu=high

Plagiarism is a bad thing.

I'm not claiming it is my own, it just is.

 

[Soulja_IA_]

Ill give you another example, I (normally) dont have the priviledge of playtime after 15:00-16:00 pm CET (only between 18:00 and 0:00). Now today I had the afternoon off (for a change), I log in to find that hibernians are actually taking towers and trying to get renaris somewhere between 14:00 and 17:00 CET. Which is basically the same thing everyone is screaming murder about lately with the 7:00 am raids and keep takes, since its a time when most people are still at work (at least in this country )

This is where you are wrong the difference is that you Feloow Realm mates Take Keeps/Relics that start at 03:00 in the morning when 99% of population are in bed then get up to go work/school etc.

The timings you are stating is when if people like youself have afternoon off day off or unable to work play it is a dramatic difference 14:00 to 03:00 that you are trying to make in comparison.

Comparison is 03:00 is a dramatic difference to 14:00 People are awake lol.

Soulja

 

[Arethir]

Numbers on cluster 5th october:
A: 1422
H: 1223
M: 1226

Numbers today (29th nov):
A:1172
H: 880
M: 956

Which makes people left the server in nearly 2 months
A: 199 = 13.994% of pop
H: 343 = 28.045% of pop
M: 270 = 22.023% of pop

And this is even before NFD numbers etc are removed from the statistics. Lets see how they are in 1 month!
Anyhow, clearly shows albion is winning DAoC!:bazbeer:

 

[Kinetix]

Socrates believed that real truth could be found out through thought and collaboration with others. He was known for exposing ignorance, hypocrisy, and conceit. Despite having many followers, Socrates was disliked by most Athenians.

At the age of 70, he was convicted of atheism, treason and corruption of the young. He was sentenced to death by a jury of 500 fellow men. He refused several opportunities to escape from prison. This great man valued the law over his life, and so he chose to fulfill his sentence of death by drinking hemlock instead of leaving and living in banishment for the remainder of his life.

Socrates is best remembered for his courage and strong moral beliefs which manifested themselves in his lifestyle. Although Socrates did not dwell much on the heavenly bodies, his beliefs that searching could bring about understanding of the world and humans in it laid a foundation that is still very much a part of modern science.

yeah bring it on we will just AC RR it back after we loose it just so we can shove your jihad up your ***

in fact i have some vacations inc so might as well spend them to take that smile of your face

 

[Asha]

Oh please. TT did you bridge humpers a favour. If they didn't help hibs get their relic back then you have nothing to do but hump bridges. You must get sore sometimes, right?

This way you can AC raid some more in a few days. Just look at it that way.

Oh and someone explain to Muy what condone means. I cba.

I think the funniest part of this thread is that TT are basically giving CM & Co. a big "fuck you" before the server totally croaks and the morons are threatening to ban them from pve raids and civil wars. OH NO! Not pve bans ! Anything but that!!!

 

[Sharkith]

Muppet,

in all sincerity it seems odd that you would doubt my motives here. This incident has as much to do with us as it has to do with anyone who stays. It was this that tipped the balance. If you have been reading the thread you would know that.

I see someone attacking a group of people I have tons of respect for on a public forum and I want to know if they are willing to try solve the problem rather than be part of it. I certainly never insinuated that anyone who sees things differently has to provide a solution. Your just putting words into my mouth. That doesn't work so easily. Either people do or don't want to fix it - if they don't it tells me more and more that leaving was the right thing to do.

Now since you asked the point behind my posts is basically we have different ways of seeing the game - if the server was to improve surely the solution lies in getting people to be constructive and accomodating all views of the game as best we can.

So I know your position and now you know mine. This is bigger than the game in the sense that it is about people and how they treat each other. Muly made a thread that abused some people and so he was held to task for that. I don't feel a desperate need to apologise for getting pushy I honestly felt and still feel Muly when he things things through can make some nice points actually. So like I said this is about how the group of people around here could help fix things. Rather than bitching and crying war - it makes more sense to seek solutions...

regards

Sharky

 

[brad]

in fact i have some vacations inc so might as well spend them to take that smile of your face

lol actually planning to spend time late at night/early morning just to piss people of by taking a relic. lololololl don't think there is words to describe that.

And who's smile are you gonna be removing? the albs that downgraded the keep lol?

 

[Kinetix]

lol actually planning to spend time late at night/early morning just to piss people of by taking a relic. lololololl don't think there is words to describe that.

And who's smile are you gonna be removing? the albs that downgraded the keep lol?

Replying to your 3 phrase post:

yes

 

[Kinetix]

. Rather than bitching and crying war - it makes more sense to seek solutions...

regards

Sharky

TT isnt looking for solutions afraid, they just did what they wanted.

 

[Sharkith]

TT isnt looking for solutions afraid, they just did what they wanted.

I haven't noticed you asking them Kinetix. Try it.

 

[Kinetix]

I haven't noticed you asking them Kinetix. Try it.

Can TT please upgrade Renaris keep to level 9?

happy?

 

[Sharkith]

Can TT please upgrade Renaris keep to level 9?

happy?

Just another demand I assumed you wanted to discuss solutions to the problem - now we can see your not interested in sorting it out. Thought as much tbh...

 

[rawr]

Can TT please upgrade Renaris keep to level 9?

happy?

I'm pretty sure you didn't read into what Sharkith asked enough; to rephrase: TT are looking for solutions - why not try offer them a potential solution?

Realise that a compromise is probably the best outcome anyone can hope to come from this, otherwise the situation is only going to get worse for everyone (imo atleast). Asking TT to raise the level of the keep is only going to keep 1 side happy, therefore the whole point of what they are doing, and the point of this discussion is wasted.

 

[Kinetix]

I'm pretty sure you didn't read into what Sharkith asked enough; to rephrase: TT are looking for solutions - why not try offer them a potential solution?

Realise that a compromise is probably the best outcome anyone can hope to come from this, otherwise the situation is only going to get worse for everyone (imo atleast). Asking TT to raise the level of the keep is only going to keep 1 side happy, therefore the whole point of what they are doing, and the point of this discussion is wasted.

The problem is if we hand over freely relic hibs will be happy, if we dont albs are happy, im sorry but i cant find a suitable ending story for both sides.

 

[Everz]

The problem is if we hand over freely relic hibs will be happy, if we dont albs are happy, im sorry but i cant find a suitable ending story for both sides.

no only the AC'rs wont be happy if hibs get relic back

 

[Muppet]

Instead of continuesly using the "come with a solution" argument towards others, where are your propositions/solutions?

If you are so desperate for solutions you might as well start it off, that way if we do actually make propositions we wont get the simple reply "this wont do"

Also, I cant really see how we can give you a suitable solution for a problem that was 1. not created by us 2. not for me as a single alb to solve/deceide

no only the AC'rs wont be happy if hibs get relic back

and you know because you play albion on this cluster? I for one am not an AC-er but I wont be happy at all if the relic goes back from a lvl 1 keep to the hibs. And from the people Ive talked with tonight in rvr (random) most of them will agree with me on that.

 

[Sharkith]

Instead of continuesly using the "come with a solution" argument towards others, where are your propositions/solutions?

If you are so desperate for solutions you might as well start it off, that way if we do actually make propositions we wont get the simple reply "this wont do"

Also, I cant really see how we can give you a suitable solution for a problem that was 1. not created by us 2. not for me as a single alb to solve/deceide

The solution I proposed was done a long time ago here and I said the same recently (I am not the only one who suggested it (AoD get the credit for being the first to do it). The suggestion was simply for alb guilds who disagreed with the actions of a few to simply lower the keeps in protest.

I think it is a very fair solution Muppet.

OK now whats your alternative? Maybe you should read the forums before posting?



Sharkith

 

[rawr]

The problem is if we hand over freely relic hibs will be happy, if we dont albs are happy, im sorry but i cant find a suitable ending story for both sides.

Generalising isn't going to get you anywhere; Albs are not all happy otherwise TT wouldn't be doing this now, would they? If the relic had not been AC'd in the first place, it is safe to say this problem wouldn't even exist. Hib can barely defend itself as it is recently (seriously, look around you - it is almost deserted some nights), and yet some still pull a stunt such as this. Stop thinking about what TT are doing, and think about why they are doing it, and then give useful criticism instead of the usual whine.

Instead of continuesly using the "come with a solution" argument towards others, where are your propositions/solutions?

The logical place to start from would be the subject of AC raids, however it is quite obvious nobody is ever going to come to an agreement in regard to this imo, as it is a conflict of perspectives. It is because of this that the downward spiral of rvr players leaving the server is picking up pace; the more people leave, the more others will want to leave. Some sort of compromise needs to be reached to keep everyone happy, or benefit the server in the longterm imo.

I really doubt AC raids will stop until the tumbleweed that are rolling about become worth RPs instead

 

[tierk]

Instead of continuesly using the "come with a solution" argument towards others, where are your propositions/solutions?....

A solution has been suggested many times but some retards cant seem to get it into there heads. STOP AC RAIDING!! Nice and simple but i guess that is too complicated to get through your hard headedness, as you will continue to insist you dont ac raid but are quite willing to reap the benfits of it. As i said in a earlier post just selfishness pure and simple on this score.

Also you are obviously blind as well cuz you plainly cannot see that the server population has been on a downward spiral for a while now and these stupid antics of the AC crews has everytime one been done caused more and more pople to log off this server.

You keep banging on and on about you wanna defend you wanna defend but cant seem to understand that it isnt just about what you want, there are hundreds of other people that want to play this game too and just as much as you dont want to be dictated too, neither do they, by a small number of people.

 

[Muppet]

The logical place to start from would be the subject of AC raids, however it is quite obvious nobody is ever going to come to an agreement in regard to this imo, as it is a conflict of perspectives. It is because of this that the downward spiral of rvr players leaving the server is picking up pace; the more people leave, the more others will want to leave. Some sort of compromise needs to be reached to keep everyone happy, or benefit the server in the longterm imo.

I really doubt AC raids will stop until the tumbleweed that are rolling about become worth RPs instead

Exactly the AC raids arent all in our control. So it could happen again and again and again ect.

The solution I proposed was done a long time ago here and I said the same recently (I am not the only one who suggested it (AoD get the credit for being the first to do it). The suggestion was simply for alb guilds who disagreed with the actions of a few to simply lower the keeps in protest.

I think it is a very fair solution Muppet.

OK now whats your alternative? Maybe you should read the forums before posting?



Sharkith

first off, I doubt you've read all my posts in this thread

second, all the guild(s!) in albion have done what you've asked and you've made your point. Didnt help as was to be expected, I really dont even think this is near a solution and its rather insulting then solving. Because what does albion gain then? the thrust of hibernia?, the support of hibernia?....
Does albion as a realm have to make amends AGAIN for something that wasnt done by albion as a realm?!

 

[Kinetix]

Generalising isn't going to get you anywhere; Albs are not all happy otherwise TT wouldn't be doing this now, would they? If the relic had not been AC'd in the first place, it is safe to say this problem wouldn't even exist. Hib can barely defend itself as it is recently (seriously, look around you - it is almost deserted some nights), and yet some still pull a stunt such as this. Stop thinking about what TT are doing, and think about why they are doing it, and then give useful criticism instead of the usual whine.

You are correct mate im not taking a dot on what you said, but making a relic keep lvl1 isnt gonna help hibs, sure they might even get relic back, but the point his by doing this they made not only some albs hate them ( not like they care ) but they encourage other AC RRs ( the forbiden fruit tastes better etc )

 

[Everz]

and you know because you play albion on this cluster? I for one am not an AC-er but I wont be happy at all if the relic goes back from a lvl 1 keep to the hibs. And from the people Ive talked with tonight in rvr (random) most of them will agree with me on that.

hey crom, i guess they are getting along on beno bridge

 

[tierk]

The problem is if we hand over freely relic hibs will be happy, if we dont albs are happy, im sorry but i cant find a suitable ending story for both sides.

Well tbh mate i would say that if you handed them over it wouldnt just be hibs happy but i would hazard a guess and say mids and it would seem some albs also, judging by the actions of TT. However, it wont stop the bleeding effect these raids are having on server population which you have quite clearly stated you dont give a shit about as you are quite clearly intending on continue these stupid raids. By you ofc i mean the AC crews out there.

Please explain to me if the only time you can log into the game is like at 4am why dont you go play on a server were there are more people online at these hours so you can actualy fight people rather then guards? I mean you say you doing this to make action in RvR zones but seeing as you are aint online to see the improved action i cant see what u gain from this except to create lots of whine on here and make people leave the game (the fh whine thread is what i would imagine is what you getting yer rocks off on).