wtf are we gone get now ?

[Gahn]

The only ones giving the deathblows is you and the Grass is greener on Avalon QQs that keep nagging for this and that with no special reason.

Who gives the crap about a bunch of QQs AND on a different realm that change servers cause some1 stole theyr lolipop?! Where did i say in these posts that they wanted or cared about my respect? shit i care as much as them, wich is 0

Ah the joy when they gonna shut the Cluster in yer face!

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

But still remember you should take the hint when your own realm works against you.

Yeah. I'll take a hint. Next time the people sit on IRC and discuss how to TRIPLE-X-REALM setup one or two IRVR zones in Albion I'll go and ask them how I can help them to please 'em.

 

[Turgaladh]

Yeah. I'll take a hint. Next time the people sit on IRC and discuss how to TRIPLE-X-REALM setup one or two IRVR zones in Albion I'll go and ask them how I can help them to please 'em.

Triple-X-realm? sounds fancy!
that's like a double double agent no? - so you would be back at square one with an agent? and only just realm? or?
hmm no. got it now I think it would be like a double double double agent which is the same as double agent why didnt you dust say x-realm?

 

[Sparx]

your gonna get

involved?

 

[Vodkafairy]

hi TT, lets get back on irc and contemplate on how to piss of the casual newbs the next time.

(disclaimer: aimed at those who think irc is one big conspiracy for all evil in daoc, get a grip)

 

[Arethir]

Just need to say

olol at the people saying they have "been nice to us letting us have agramon for our personal RvR zone without them coming there". Ye, you sacrifised a WHOLE lot there guys! It was so damn crowded by zergers and soloers when the FG's started running there... damn lucky they were so kind to move away from it and give the FG's the whole zone to themselves!
Only times they move away from bridges and IRvR areas is during the night when they want to create IRvR (or take relics!).

If you people have such a wish to come to agramon, by all means, PLEASE go ahead, I'm sure you can find a mob or two to kill somewhere :kissit:

PS: Doooom this thread grows fast

 

[Turgaladh]

your gonna get

involved?

your gonna get

involved?

hehe that was pointless

 

[Everz]

your gonna get

involved?

hehe that was pointless

not OT but old.

 

[Sparx]

your gonna get

involved?

hehe that was pointless

i dont get it

 

[Turgaladh]

not OT but old.

OT? im so slow

ok enough spam from me! back to the quiet box

 

[Sharkith]

If TT and all the albion guilds that disagreed with the raid simply released all their towers and keeps and didn't claim any until they believed the relic situation was restored it would make a point and if enough alb guilds agreed that the relic take was lame and released their towers it would significantly weaken the alb frontier. Having easy access to insta RvR in albion makes trying for a relic take that much easier. Anyway the chances are the relic won't be retaken at prime time and so it seems silly to cause such anger.

A nice post and this is a really interesting POV. However from my perspective asking everyone to release everything is possibly unfair on Alb as a whole because this is only a small group of people who constantly do this kind of thing. By lowering the relic keep it is a direct statement at what happened. It just seems like a much better statement to be honest. The message is directly correlated to the problem.

I notice Muly still hasn't come up with an alternative even though he admits AC raids are bad. You are the first to suggest an alternative to what TT did but for me this just seems too far and possibly more damaging.

 

[Arethir]

If we released all keeps and towers we'd most lightly just end up loosing our own aswell, and with the pop atm i guess they'd have to be AC'd to be taken back aswell

 

[Muylaetrix]

I notice Muly still hasn't come up with an alternative even though he admits AC raids are bad. [/B]You are the first to suggest an alternative to what TT did but for me this just seems too far and possibly more damaging.

tbh honest, i am totally lost about how to react to TT's action.

setting a keep that contains a relic to level 1 is something new and i would like goa / mythic opinion on this tbh.

late night relic raids : sucks to be on the receiving end. too bad.
AC relic raid : lame.
betrayal of the own realm : too low for words. totally new thing. i can even start to estimate the ingame consequences.

I fear for the closest thing to a civil war that can happen in albion.

 

[Digi]

tbh honest, i am totally lost about how to react to TT's action.

setting a keep that contains a relic to level 1 is something new and i would like goa / mythic opinion on this tbh.

late night relic raids : sucks to be on the receiving end. too bad.
AC relic raid : lame.
betrayal of the own realm : too low for words. totally new thing. i can even start to estimate the ingame consequences.

I fear for the closest thing to a civil war that can happen in albion.

Well if what everone is saying is ture you need that Civil war for some pvp ( this is a very bad joke )

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Triple-X-realm? sounds fancy!
that's like a double double agent no? - so you would be back at square one with an agent? and only just realm? or?
hmm no. got it now I think it would be like a double double double agent which is the same as double agent why didnt you dust say x-realm?

Cause x-realm could be just Mids and Hibs sitting on a Vent or IRC together doing evil plans like it has been in the past. I wanted to add some drama .

 

[Cromcruaich]

tbh honest, i am totally lost about how to react to TT's action.

setting a keep that contains a relic to level 1 is something new and i would like goa / mythic opinion on this tbh.

late night relic raids : sucks to be on the receiving end. too bad.
AC relic raid : lame.
betrayal of the own realm : too low for words. totally new thing. i can even start to estimate the ingame consequences.

I fear for the closest thing to a civil war that can happen in albion.

Over dramatic, what does a civil war on albion look like? 40 people on either side of a beno bridge tower refusing to talk to each other?

 

[Nate]

Well by this thread it looks to me what Andrilyn was saying has completely been kicked out the window, anyone who opposes the "ac crews" playstyle is insulted, and then even attempted to be banished from any part of the game with there realm by this "ac crew".

 

[Vodkafairy]

tbh honest, i am totally lost about how to react to TT's action.

setting a keep that contains a relic to level 1 is something new and i would like goa / mythic opinion on this tbh.

late night relic raids : sucks to be on the receiving end. too bad.
AC relic raid : lame.
betrayal of the own realm : too low for words. totally new thing. i can even start to estimate the ingame consequences.

I fear for the closest thing to a civil war that can happen in albion.

you only betray those who are lame enough to AC raid. you don't lose anything from having the AC'd relics retaken, you correct what was a bad move in the first place.

if you really think tt lowered the keep level with a 'all albs suck and we want to fuck them up' mentality then you are seriously thick in the head.

and civil war, lols, what the fuck are you on about. the ones who disagree with TT's action side with the AC raiders. the ones who agree with TT's actions disagree with the AC raiders. pick your side. there won't be clearer divisions in population then there already are (fg/solo crowd vs i pay my subs crowd)

this entire thing is a bread crump (sp?) blown to the proportion of a fucking skyscraper, the true problem is such low population of cluster there is simply NOBODY online at those early times. DAOC is only a 24/7 game if the population allows it, the busiest servers do (yes there are many busy servers still) - this is unfortunately just not the case on uk cluster.

 

[Cromcruaich]

you only betray those who are lame enough to AC raid. you don't lose anything from having the AC'd relics retaken, you correct what was a bad move in the first place.

if you really think tt lowered the keep level with a 'all albs suck and we want to fuck them up' mentality then you are seriously thick in the head.

Clearly put, this is the crux of it really.

 

[Everz]

Well by this thread it looks to me what Andrilyn was saying has completely been kicked out the window, anyone who opposes the "ac crews" playstyle is insulted, and then even attempted to be banished from any part of the game with there realm by this "ac crew".

hah like anyone would want to grp with the randoms from the ac crew, there useless zergers.

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

The only ones giving the deathblows is you and the Grass is greener on Avalon QQs that keep nagging for this and that with no special reason.

Seriously man, ask yourself why they left. Really it is very simpel. When you have a fuckup expansion/addon/whatever like NF where diffrent playstyles can't co-exist very well, one or both sides will whine. Obviously the 'nice guys irl' are the ones that activly ruin the "l33t pricks" gaming experience, be it 8v8, small scale or 1v1. You add thus you ruin, it is THAT simpel. Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't add, if you enjoy it then go ahead, you pay your subs...but the reality is that it eats on the SotG, people become frustrated and they will cry about it.
What I just explained to you how tremendously hard it might be for you "ppl" to grasp is one of a few reasons to why things are like they are.

The l337 ppl need the newbs, and the newbs need the l33t ppl ( I'm just using this names or terms so ppl know what I mean, not intended to stir things up), there has to be little of everything for all. In OF this was the case, even if a random newb now gonna step up and says his Avalonian paladin with 50 parry never got a group. In OF all this worked better, alot better.
But the reality at hand isn't with OF but with NF so we need to do our best here to respect eachother, wich we fail to do. You keep adding, you keep ruining fair fights, you keep ACing and yes we keep abusing you and cursing you. As someone said this is a visious (sp) circle wich might be to late to break.

The "grass is greener on Avalon" people you refer to did the only thing they could do, they quit the server. This will of course affect everyone else since people bring people and you get something simular to a mass-psychosis where lots of people jump the ship, kinda.
Can you blame them for doing this? Hardly.

Seeing how this thread developed it is very clear, atleast to me, that the two camps or oppositions can't relate to the others preference in gaming, I can be frank and honestly say I think alot of the post and arguments posted are just nonesense and bullshit, randomly spouted out by clueless people. I know I shouldn't feel that way, but instead respect their opinions, but I don't.
I'm sure many of you feel the same. With this in mind wouldn't it be more constructive to try and get some real change, e-mail bombard the guys in charge about clustering, char transfears you name it. I could say bring back OF but I'm no fool I do know that is not on the agenda, and never will be.

Awfully long post, abit too long, ah well.

 

[Turgaladh]

...I wanted to add some drama .

cool :>

 

[Tip]

you only betray those who are lame enough to AC raid. you don't lose anything from having the AC'd relics retaken, you correct what was a bad move in the first place.

if you really think tt lowered the keep level with a 'all albs suck and we want to fuck them up' mentality then you are seriously thick in the head.

and civil war, lols, what the fuck are you on about. the ones who disagree with TT's action side with the AC raiders. the ones who agree with TT's actions disagree with the AC raiders. pick your side. there won't be clearer divisions in population then there already are (fg/solo crowd vs i pay my subs crowd)

this entire thing is a bread crump (sp?) blown to the proportion of a fucking skyscraper, the true problem is such low population of cluster there is simply NOBODY online at those early times. DAOC is only a 24/7 game if the population allows it, the busiest servers do (yes there are many busy servers still) - this is unfortunately just not the case on uk cluster.

Quite interesting how it takes a Enemy realm players to try and divide Albion, its a conspiracy! dont fall for it

 

[Vodkafairy]

Quite interesting how it takes a Enemy realm players to try and divide Albion, its a conspiracy! dont fall for it

I fail to see your point completely, but calling people in other realms enemies is something from 2003. Without your 'enemies' daoc will be shitboring, thats why you need to maintain a certain level of mutual respect - and at the same time leave enough room to bash eachothers skulls in at every possible opportunity.

Griefing a certain group of people, be it the whole 'enemy' realm or certain people in your own, it will all lead to decreasing population and eventually to death of what used to be a great cluster. Fast-forward the current situation a year, and then ask if all the morning raiding was worth it.

(last bit not aimed at you personally)

ps. I played alb quite a bit too! I'm allowed to devide!1!

 

[Sharkith]

tbh honest, i am totally lost about how to react to TT's action.

setting a keep that contains a relic to level 1 is something new and i would like goa / mythic opinion on this tbh.

late night relic raids : sucks to be on the receiving end. too bad.
AC relic raid : lame.
betrayal of the own realm : too low for words. totally new thing. i can even start to estimate the ingame consequences.

I fear for the closest thing to a civil war that can happen in albion.

You know mate you can have an opinion and an argument. I keep asking you and you keep evading my question. Set TT aside for now. You started to fling shit at your own realm mates and from what I can see you don't even have a single alternative and constructive direction for them to go. Once more Muly what would you suggest the community does in order to protect itself against very lame AC raids?

Just answer the question for once and stop crying in your cornflakes.

 

[kirennia]

I'd have settled for they pay their subs, just like "we can because we could" - atleast it would have been honest. It's all the other bollox reasons trying to justify themselves which have been pitiful.

How have I (or people like me, I pity them whoever they are) ruined their game? I don't go to Agramon, I stand on bridges and loiter round keeps - all /afk stuck to our gl. How does that affect fg rvr in any way, shape or form?

And if you think that believing and saying something to be a ***** trick is crying then you've got some pretty warped f*cking definitions in your head.

We did do it because we could. But that doesn't give a reason for us doing it. We did it because the server is declining and perhaps it's just a vain attempt to keep the little life which remains here but it's the most we can do at the moment. If this were a primetime raid, we wouldn't have done this and I personally would have helped to defend. I like keep sieges but I don't like the fact that the way it was taken IS driving people away from the server.

You forget that some of us adding zerging ACing n00bs (which is what we are right?) used to play alongside you and so know how you used to play before you were k00l. Which makes comments like that just make you sound like you've turned into a ****.

I'm far from 'cool' in this game and that has been the furthest thing from my mind whilst picking the playstyle I chose at this stage in the game. I simply FG RvR because it gives me the most enjoyment out of the game currently. Hell i used to get the most enjoyment from organising sieges/raids myself and would love to sort some out now if I didn't have so much work on. Sadly the only time I have for the game is limited to 3hours twice a week.

Out Of Prime Time Attack : you might not like the tactic, it might happen at an inconvenient hour for you. too bad. your loss. the game DOES NOT STOP when you log out. get over it or go play a game where things like this are NOT a LEGAL GAME MECHANIC and nothing affects your game while you are not online.

fucking your own realm is betrayal, treason and sabotage.

i rather use unconventional tactics (as long as they are legal !!!) than be a traitor.

zerging, adding, acing, ... are all legal ingame actions and NOT against the CoC or SoTG.

The game also does not stop after the relics are ACed when everyonelse logs on. It's a completely legal game mechanic which in our (and many other alb/mid and hibs alike) view is the best way to remedy a bad situation.

I'm not saying all people with the "FG" attitude insult people but I for one only seen insults from people from the "FG community" never from people that do the "oh so horrid" 5am relic raids.
I think the phrases "Stop adding you fucking *****" (probably going to be filtered but you get the point) will ring a bell.

In the years I've played DAoC I've played in all types of groups mainly because I like every aspect of this game, Hardcore 8v8 groups, casual groups and groups that play for fun and mostly are at siege area's because they enjoy that part of the game and I can tell you there's no groups other than the "FG" people that has any problem with other people's playing style.
Some of them try and force their own rules upon other people by insults and/or sarcastic remarks against a player that does not want to play according to their FG rules and imo these are the people that have driven away more people than any 5am relic raid crew could ever have done.

Also if you look closely you will see it's not the FG community that lost the most people it's the casuals or "randoms" or what name people like to refer to and by "denying" their right to play how they like this so called "FG" community shot themseleves in the foot and they are the ones calling doomsday upon the server and I believe a "You reap what you sow" is in order.

Personally I've never shouted an insult at someone for adding or whatever. I'd prefer them not to and pm them asking accordingly if it was in a place whereby adding was not expected. For example if it happened in agramon, I'd ask them nicely not to do it again. If it happens at a bridge or near an enemy keep, It's tough shit on my part.

In fact, the majority of insults I've received in game have been when I pmed nicely and get 'Fuck off, I pay my subs' kind of answers. This said, it is a rare occasion and the vast majority reply kindly and I accept the answers. It's afterall, part of the game.

Victors get medals, traitors get shot.

So shoot us (in-game) then, we'll just respawn. This isn't real life, nor is this direct treason. If you count treason in its real life term then everytime someone stands by and lets a fight go ahead with a realm mate dying, it's treason. This would mean most of the server would be 'shot', including many of your own guild mates...

If there was to be any repeat action of lowering Relic keeps without at least a discussion/vote with the remaining Albion player database, then goa should intervene and remove there control over a relic keep, as a civil war can only destabilize Albions defence.

If this were a case then they would have to discuss EVERY subject which was bought up which was within the CoC. This would also include AC raiding, allowing any equal numbered fights to carry on, arguments over ML raids, killing in DF/PoC, trades and even persecution of individual guilds just because they may have done something someone didn't agree with once.

:worthy:

repped.

FG community is imho a vocal (badmouthing) minority that have driven more players away than the other way round.

Everyone is entitled to your opinion but looking back over this thread, it's the people who don't like the FG crowd which are being more 'bad-mouthing' on the whole.

Well tbh TT can take the keep to lvl2 sure... but what will happen in the future?
Well some albs might agree with TT and have no problem with that, on the other hand TT gets horrible Rep for doing that and even if albs loose relic due to this the future presents itself with another AC RR and in that time they wont put on a Keep controlled by TT.


So concluding: TT gets bad rep for enforcing this on other ppl and AC RR will remain

So i must ask: Was it worth it TT members?

Personally I don't want a bad reputation. I've not set out to get a good reputation but I see myself as a good person so of course it all helps. Sometimes in life or in game alike, you have to make a stand against certain things even if it means that you personally suffer. Only time will tell if this was a good move or not. As I said earlier, I'm not 100% that this was a good move and am still thinking of better solutions but so far all I can see it as is the lesser of two evils.

I am sure they care about what the people disagreeing with it thinks, thats why they did it.

For me, this statement is wrong. Of course people care about what others think of them. If they don't it makes them bad people. My previous staement stands though that sometimes it's about more then just ones self.

TBH some of the ppl here are totally talking shit...

Bracken as usual .. but everyone knows he is full of shit by now ..

and toMuy .. lol lol lol ... what a little mfer you are. I mean after all the greif u have caused the FG crowd by adding etc over the years .. wtf are you whining about when for once someone does something to fuck up yer playstyle haha ..

all i can say .. everyone pays their subs .. so fuck off!

No need for this kind of hostility. They disagree with (apparently) you, it's no reason to start flaming them for a different point of view.

*This is 1 of the more intelligence post ive read about this post.
I dont have anything against TT, i believe they are a bunch of players who enjoy DOAC, But what they did was wrong imo. I dont care whether albs, hibs or mids takes the relics at 5am, 6am. Good for their respective realm if they can manage it. The relics are to be taken by design.

What you called the "lame" players pve'ing in the morning is out of order. Sure, there was not many ppl playing at 6am but that doesnt mean doac servers are shut down, doesnt mean players are going to stop playing. The pve'ers likes to fight against guards. Good for them, they pay their due to mythic. They can do whatever the fuk they want. If you dont like it, whine at your own realm for not defending. And so fuking what if relics are taken at 6am. If you care so much about them, make some effect to take them back whether is it 5pm or 5am. No 1 will or can stop you doing so. An eye for an eye, id say.

The majority of pve'ers dont/wont bother about the 8v8 rvr in Agamon. Now, what if they start adding, sticking in Agamon? All it takes is a couple of stealthers to fuk up an enjoyable fights with the other realms. And if this happens, you, in effects have spoiled the only enjoyment for yourself + the opposing realm. Sticking/adding isnt against CoC as far as i know..If ppl start doing this, I fear the worst for full group fights. You can whine/moan or whatever, but the respects TT earned are long gone from the majority of Albs by this action. I

dont condem what they didnt, but the conciquenses are far more fetching..

Sorry for emmiting part of your post but I don't want this long post to become too collosal

Of course there is nothing against the CoC to stop them doing this. Nor is there anything in the CoC to stop people doing in game scams, taking ML9 loot for example (I'm not comparing the actions as similar in effect, just saying it to make the point). This does not make it necessarily right though.

If people decide to come to agramon to ruin fights, I'm pretty sure they're going to find a near empty zone. If they decide to ruin our fights outside of agramon then nothing will have changed. Of course we would prefer them not to do that but we also would have preferred them not to take the relics at the time they did but they still did it anyway. I don't expect to have no repercutions for my actions.

Only just saw this thread, been off-net for a few days...314 replies and most of it just a load of argumentative, childish bollocks

I think 2 years ago this would have been a pretty lame trick and I think 2 years ago I'd have joined the crowd calling for TT's head on some kind of pointy stick (with or without a nice chili marinade). I also don't think for a second that players of TT's calibre would dream of pulling a stunt two years ago.

I don't believe for a second that Daemyr and crew would be doing this for stupid or selfish reasons. It's a damn shame (and a real statement on the quality of RvR left on cluster) that NFD have decided to join the other guilds on Avalon. At the rate we're going, we're just going to have 20 Alb visibles on Occasus Bridge, 12 Mid stealthers on Brynja Bridge and no Hibs ANYWHERE in the frontiers, with CM occasionally logging on to knock over an enemy relic keep at 2am.

The Cluster cannot afford to keep losing players. If the actions of the same few players (be it Golden Add and their lame Valk of Doom running around adding on every damn thing (although I hear they're getting better recently) or CM PvEing relics at 2am) are causing tens of commited RvR players to leave the Cluster, then it's about time someone did something or said something that might make them think twice about their actions.

I don't think it'll make any difference, but I for one am glad that TT are trying something to maybe make some people look twice at how their playstyle (and yes, they pay their subs...as do TT...and as did the people who have now quit due to retarded lameness of various types) affect the Cluster as a whole.

I think that despite the slightly vomit-inducing 'leetness' of the FG RvR scene and the kind of public-school buddy buddy elitist bollocks that goes on, it does bring a lot of legitimacy to RvR game on a server. I'm sure people who like to RvR will realise that there's no real challenge in PvEing keeps or farming duos with their 5sorc 0cleric PUG (or sorc+DIbot if you prefer ).

Anyway, kudos to TT...I don't think it'll make a bit of difference and the attitude of people on these boards so far seems to back me up. Nice try though. I myself am rerolling to the US servers where there are more than a few hundred people on my Cluster primetime.

100% correct. Even six months ago we wouldn't have done this. It isn't completely about the relic but also about trying to keep the server afloat.

Yeah. I'll take a hint. Next time the people sit on IRC and discuss how to TRIPLE-X-REALM setup one or two IRVR zones in Albion I'll go and ask them how I can help them to please 'em.

Nothing was said about this on irc. In fact, the first 'leak' of information which is essnetially against the code of conduct was when this thread was made. It's a twisted reality but there ya go.


Personally I hope the childish insults from both sides will stop but I can't see it happening, such is the way when people hide behind an internet persona. I just hope that when the next realm/server RL meeting goes ahead and (hopefully) I attend, I can buy certain people a drink to remember the good times not the arguments over a simple difference of opinion.

 

[Kinetix]

Seriously man, ask yourself why they left. Really it is very simpel. When you have a fuckup expansion/addon/whatever like NF where diffrent playstyles can't co-exist very well, one or both sides will whine. Obviously the 'nice guys irl' are the ones that activly ruin the "l33t pricks" gaming experience, be it 8v8, small scale or 1v1. You add thus you ruin, it is THAT simpel. Now I'm not saying that you shouldn't add, if you enjoy it then go ahead, you pay your subs...but the reality is that it eats on the SotG, people become frustrated and they will cry about it.

I never denied that, in fact i didnt even said anything about this

The "grass is greener on Avalon" people you refer to did the only thing they could do, they quit the server. This will of course affect everyone else since people bring people and you get something simular to a mass-psychosis where lots of people jump the ship, kinda.
Can you blame them for doing this? Hardly.

No, i cant blame them for doing that. But if they are on Avalon why the hell are they spiting "bad" coments about cluster situation when they dont even play there?
If they want to convince/bring ppl to avalon server cause its better out there just reffer to the positive things about avalon not the server they arnt playing anymore.

 

[Kinetix]

which in our (and many other alb/mid and hibs alike) view is the best way to remedy a bad situation.

pheww...talking about a long post

anyways... you are doing what i said to gahn, you enforce your point of view to other ppl.
Ok lets change the PoV a bit. We loose the hib relic cause a guild decided to put keep lvl1, so some albs decide to leave game cause a guild enforced the way it should be played.
There! you get same results. if you think that the situation his bad just take a neutral stand and let things resolve automaticaly

 

[Muppet]

You know mate you can have an opinion and an argument. I keep asking you and you keep evading my question. Set TT aside for now. You started to fling shit at your own realm mates and from what I can see you don't even have a single alternative and constructive direction for them to go. Once more Muly what would you suggest the community does in order to protect itself against very lame AC raids?

Just answer the question for once and stop crying in your cornflakes.

Ill counter the question for you, why does muy, who obviously has no problem with AC raids or the likes (as I understand neutral) have to come up with a solution that benefits your "gameplay needs" when most of you already deceided to leave anyway?

 

[Gahn]

Ill counter the question for you, why does muy, who obviously has no problem with AC raids or the likes (as I understand neutral) have to come up with a solution that benefits your "gameplay needs" when most of you already deceided to leave anyway?

To avoid more leaving the ship?