Football World Cup 2014

[megadave]

ah wasn't clear what it was about, he was rambling about being unhappy but they did not mention the situation with his brother. They just re-showed it and then David Platt mentioned the whole background. If it's true that they made him go to Abu Dhabi to train and do PR stunts and not let him travel to see his dying brother then they really were shitty.

Probably more complicated than that, City have a good track record regarding personal issues. Sounds like he didn't really press the issue himself, I'd imagine his grief is affecting his behaviour, might explain the cake stuff, who knows.

Not even allowed to sleep in the same hotel as the Uruguay team now, has had to go and find his own hotel and room. Uruguay management statement is bizarre, saying there is no justice in the world and that the evidence was weak and not conclusive. LOL!

The stuff they've been saying only make it worse imo, be interesting to see what Liverpool say.

 

[Vladamir]

They made a statement saying they're not going to make a statement yet.

Liverpool logic!

 

[Raven]

I feel a little sorry for Liverpool but in some ways it might work for their advantage, at least they used to playing without him.

 

[caLLous]

I think Liverpool did OK at the start of last season without him didn't they? The last time he was banned for biting somebody, I mean.

I didn't realise at the time but friendlies don't count for the international ban so he could be out of action for um... like... 3 or 4 years? They have the Copa América but 9 international matches not including friendlies could put him out for a very long time.

 

[Vladamir]

Reaction from the Beeb suggested it could be 12-18 months or so I think, depending on how many competitive games Uruguay have

 

[Ch3tan]

Up to the club to do what they need to. Don't pay him for the time he can't play etc. it's up to them to take it out on him. He did the bad thing can't say well just cause you weren't in a Liverpool Jersey at the time means you get away with still getting paid and playing. Would be no kind of punishment.

They can't, they can only fine he two weeks wages maximum.

That is why I am saying this will open a can of worms, foolish if you think its justified etc.

Yes he needs punishing, but punishing Liverpoorl and their fans, sponsors etc is going to cause problems.

Liverpool probably could find him in breach of contract, but I doubt it as he was not representing them. They'd also then have to take him to court over future transfer fee's etc.

As for the idiot that compared a professional sanction with breaking the law... fucking LOL... oh it was @Talivar ... figures!

 

[caLLous]

Yeah, if they get knocked out of the WC in the next round (unlikely but they will be a totally different beast without Suarez), there's only 6 games in the Cope América (assuming they get to the final) and then what? WC 2018 qualifiers? It's actually a double whammy for Uruguay because without him they will inevitably be weaker so they won't progress as far in tournaments so it will be even longer before he comes back.

 

[Raven]

I am not sure they can fine him but they may well be able to tell him to bugger off with regards to wages. I am sure he will manage though.

 

[Ch3tan]

They can't - remember the tevez situation at City. They tried to withhold his wages and were told they could not. In the end it was a two week maximum fine.

FIFA changed the rules on internationals a few years back so that players injured on international duty would have their wages paid by their national FA as compensation to the club that hired him. This was to prevent clubs from with holding players, this is the same situation so The Uruguay FA should probably pay his wages.

 

[Ch3tan]

What was Defour thinking!?

 

[soze]

I think the BBC or someone had an employment solicitor that said if he has an ethics clause in his contract then they can withhold his wages. If they don't they can sue him for breach of contract but that is the end of him.

 

[Talivar]

Don't get how u can say i am the idiot for making the comparison when in reality that's how it has really happened. It is you who has an unrealistic idea of how it works. FIFA is the football world version of the government. When they impose a sanction or punishment it can override everything and apply to all football . They ARE the law of football like it or not, and if they say he is banned for four months then he is banned for four months, nothing Liverpool can do about it.

 

[Ch3tan]

You are comparing criminal law with the guidelines of a professional body. Your analogy is far fetched and pointless. He didn't commit a crime and was not tried for one.

 

[Angrist]

Wouldn't he be allowed to play next round due to Uruguay appealing, unless FIFA resolves the appeal really fast?

 

[gohan]

They can't, they can only fine he two weeks wages maximum.

That is why I am saying this will open a can of worms, foolish if you think its justified etc.

Yes he needs punishing, but punishing Liverpoorl and their fans, sponsors etc is going to cause problems.

Liverpool probably could find him in breach of contract, but I doubt it as he was not representing them. They'd also then have to take him to court over future transfer fee's etc.

As for the idiot that compared a professional sanction with breaking the law... fucking LOL... oh it was @Talivar ... figures!

dunno, technically they could suspend him without pay. As when you give someone a 2 week fine they still have to train/play if required. Suarez can't even train with the squad so they could and should suspend him.

 

[megadave]

You are comparing criminal law with the guidelines of a professional body. Your analogy is far fetched and pointless. He didn't commit a crime and was not tried for one.

Couldn't biting someone be construed as assault though?

 

[megadave]

Wouldn't he be allowed to play next round due to Uruguay appealing, unless FIFA resolves the appeal really fast?

No, not in this case.

 

[Ch3tan]

@gohan.... again, tevez. City were not allowed to suspend him without pay, they tried. Two weeks max.

 

[Ch3tan]

Couldn't biting someone be construed as assault though?

Yes, if it's reported as a crime and dealt with as one. The analogy used by talivar us still sensationalist bull.

 

[Talivar]

They are both designed to punish those who step out of line and guide people how to act. And if we being technical then he is a repeat offender with the crime being ABH?

 

[Ch3tan]

Fuck a duck, an atypical Chelsea fan!

 

[gohan]

In any professional job you can't suspend someone without pay pending an investigation. i.e. gross misconduct. It's different from the Tevez thing cos Tevez was being a petulant little shit and it's up to the club to sort out relations with the player. With Liverpool Suarez is now physically unable to the the job he is payed for so I'm sure there will be some legal precident to therefore not pay him.

With Tevez I assume it would be a gross misconduct thing where they can only suspend with full pay pending investigation. They could have probably fired him but they wouldn't be willing to.

 

[megadave]

@gohan.... again, tevez. City were not allowed to suspend him without pay, they tried. Two weeks max.

He still missed out on shitloads of wages though. Any idea what happened with Rio and Cantona when they were banned?

Yes, if it's reported as a crime and dealt with as one. The analogy used by talivar us still sensationalist bull.

That would have been real interesting. I always wished Ivanovic did it with the pitch-side police before the match finished so he couldnt score in the 98th minute or whatever bullshit time it was.

 

[megadave]

Belgium have been so shit.

hey look Januzaj was playing!

 

[Vladamir]

 

[soze]

If Liverpool were smart when they signed him up to his last deal they would have added the Ethics clause that does let them stop his wages. But if Liverpool want to keep him they need to be careful if they are anything other than supportive it will add to his reasons I want to leave.

 

[gohan]

They shouldn't want to keep him. They should fine the fuck out of him and sell him before he's worth nothing. He's one of the best footballers I've ever seen but he's so unstable that he's no longer worth the risk. After this ban he will have missed 26 PL games through being a fucking bell end. Add that to valid suspensions and injuries and he's missed a whole season in 2 and a half years.

 

[Raven]

Trouble is, he is now signed up with Liverpool for what, 3 more years? What has gone from a tasty 80-100 million sale has probably dropped to 40-50 milliion. Still a tidy profit but full value could have kept Liverpool in title contention for a couple of seasons.

 

[megadave]

If Liverpool were smart when they signed him up to his last deal they would have added the Ethics clause that does let them stop his wages. But if Liverpool want to keep him they need to be careful if they are anything other than supportive it will add to his reasons I want to leave.

Seems like he's been mollycoddled his whole life. When he headbutted a referee there was a big cover up and that's been a theme for his career. There was a great ESPN article on that a while ago.

 

[Ch3tan]

Thing is, the rest will do him good and he'll be fired up from his treatment which he perceives as unjust. I'd say he'll give pool another thirty goals if they keep him.They need him for the champs league, I can't see them finding another striker even near his level.