WildStar

[BloodOmen]

Warrior looked quite shit if i'm honest, seemed more "lol comedy" than anything else.

 

[Ctuchik]

That's the feeling i'm getting from the entire game. I just hope they're not running out of jokes part way through.

But maybe an MMO that refuses to take itself seriously is what we need?

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

All arguments pro/con are largely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the content come launch which these days is also known as open beta

It looks fun. Until we get hands-on, no way of knowing if it is fun.

 

[old.Tohtori]

True, if you can't have a pink lady killer robot as an avatar, no buy.

 

[LordjOX]

New DevSpeak about the Esper


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-ZZwsfvTrc


Going to be one of these class re-introductions per week until mid december or so

 

[LordjOX]

New DevSpeak about the Spellslinger


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khURaB3AAqY

 

[Afran]

Gievf beta

 

[Afran]

Gievf beta

So who's already in CBT and got a friend key sent today? I wants I wants!

 

[LordjOX]

Two DevSpeaks I forgot to post:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=819wRwFIWBY



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z8RUZemEto

 

[Afran]

Well, NDA is lifted for level 1-15 content for specific streamers/press, can check out who's streaming at http://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/WildStar, generally no one all that interesting atm though other than Kungen

Carbine also have around an our gameplay of each class (except the Stalker) in their highlights at http://www.twitch.tv/wildstar/profile

And can see all(?) the class abilities currently in-game and what scaling their traits do at http://www.wildstar-arkship.de/actionsetbuilder/en/medic/#112:0;106:0;101:0;

givf beta!

 

[Ctuchik]

My guess is that they will use right mouse button as a mouselock while left button uses the skill you have "selected".

Seems fine on paper, but add lag, FPS issues and other problems inherent to MMO's to that and all that combined with how the combat presumably works is going to be incredibly frustrating.

Now yes i do realize they didn't actually say there were no mouselock. But the way they described it (mouse over a skill to see yada yada yada) kinda hints that they don't have one.

Or that it will be more complicated then it has to be.

Unless of course they just use the skill the second you press the button, which would be a small disaster if you want to kite stuff around.

Just imagine having to stop moving, turn around, use a skill and then turn around and start running again.

I mean, that's pretty much DAoC without the target locking fgs....

I just can't see any benefits from what they showed us.

But as Roo said, time will tell.

And after having played the stress test for about 10 hours i can safely say i was right..

their combat system is fucking retarded. Even with the automatic target lock (only works in pve) it's beyond to fucking illogical and complicated....

 

[BloodOmen]

June 3rd release date - pre-orders will be available from the 19th of March priced at $59.99 ($15 extra for the Digial Deluxe edition)

"Preorders for Carbine's sub-based sci-fantasy MMORPG will be available next Wednesday, March 19th. The $59.99 preorder provides beta events, early access on May 31st, housing deco that grants a rest XP bonus, character and guild name reservations, a 10-slot storage bag, and the exclusive rocket house shown above, in addition to the Standard Edition's 30 days of play time, buddy passes, and more deco. Another $15 gets you a Digital Deluxe version with a hoverboard, costume, title, and dye set."

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/12/wildstar-announces-june-3rd-launch-date-preorder-bonuses/

 

[Mabs]

June 3rd release date - pre-orders will be available from the 19th of March priced at $59.99 ($15 extra for the Digial Deluxe edition)

"Preorders for Carbine's sub-based sci-fantasy MMORPG will be available next Wednesday, March 19th. The $59.99 preorder provides beta events, early access on May 31st, housing deco that grants a rest XP bonus, character and guild name reservations, a 10-slot storage bag, and the exclusive rocket house shown above, in addition to the Standard Edition's 30 days of play time, buddy passes, and more deco. Another $15 gets you a Digital Deluxe version with a hoverboard, costume, title, and dye set."

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/12/wildstar-announces-june-3rd-launch-date-preorder-bonuses/

by all accounts Wildstar is "rather shit", so bit like your face then eh @BloodOmen

 

[BloodOmen]

by all accounts Wildstar is "rather shit", so bit like your face then eh @BloodOmen

stop stealing my insults

[FH] BloodOmen: june the 3rd for wildstar du du
J Peasemould Gruntfuttock: dont care its shit
[FH] BloodOmen: has something in common with your face then

 

[Mabs]

stop stealing my insults

[FH] BloodOmen: june the 3rd for wildstar du du
J Peasemould Gruntfuttock: dont care its shit
[FH] BloodOmen: has something in common with your face then

as if i cba to waste effort , pfft, jenk

 

[Raven]

Is the MMO genre dying in general? Another MMO that is awful by design.

 

[Mabs]

Is the MMO genre dying in general? Another MMO that is awful by design.

i doubt it is dying , i do think its getting over-saturated though, LETS ALL CLONE WOW.. no, lets innovate people, ffs

speaking of which, i am slightly annoyed TESO hasnt nicked the "constant companion" from SWTOR, still one of the best features in any mmo ever

 

[Ctuchik]

lets innovate people, ffs

I have a hunch that this is what the devs actually want, but the publishers and their shareholders won't let them.

They want the tried and tested path that they know for a fact generates money for them.

On the other hand, the few MMO's that have tried to do something different (TSW and to some minor degree AOC) has ended up being sort of a train wreck anyway...

I've said it before and i still stand by this. What the MMO market need is something along the lines of the MMO version of the video game crash back in -83, but on a global scale not just in the US.

We need a massive fucking "earthquake" that irreparably ruins this sickeningly boring MMO treadmill we're stuck in atm.

And THEN what we need is the devs/publishers to STOP CLONING EACH OTHER!

 

[Mabs]

this is why im watching Pathfinder, and anything else being Kickstarted rather than bankrolled by large companies, hopefully make what people want / push the concept rather than photocopy stuff

 

[svartalf]

Endgame info....
"it's fun if you like dying over and over to mechanics that knock out half of the raid over and over"

PAX East 2014: WildStar's panel is all about the endgame
by Eliot Lefebvre http://data:image/png;base64,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 on Apr 11th 2014 7:30PMSci-Fi, Game Mechanics, Endgame, Events (Massively's Coverage), WildStar, Subscription, Buy-to-Play


So what happens when when you reach the end of WildStar?

You've got a while to think about it, obviously, the game isn't even out just yet. But it's an obvious concern. People are going to hit the level cap, and what are they going to be doing then? Staring at the walls, singing songs, perhaps clawing desperately at the metaphorical walls in the hopes of getting the next major patch somewhat sooner?

According to the WildStar panel at PAX East, the development team is hoping to launch with a fairly robust endgame no matter what you're hoping to do. The panel went through pretty much every part of the game, from items to PvP to solo story questing, all of which is intended to work together to create an environment wherein you don't run out of things to do and don't find yourself forced out of what you find fun. How well it will work remains to be seen, but there's certainly a lot on the table to start with.

The first thing on display at the panel was one of the game's two 50-plus zones in place at launch, Grimvault. These zones are both meant to ensure that players have something to do in the open world or while solo -- there are areas devoted to solo play, areas focused on small groups, and other regions focused on large groups, all of which feature the somewhat expected array of daily and weekly quests to drive your activities. Dynamic events are also meant to spawn through the zones, ensuring that these zones don't become stagnant over time.

Ultimately, the goal is to give players things to do and progression even if they'd prefer to play on their own. There are also veteran-level dungeons and adventures available at the level cap as well, giving players further options if they're in the mood for an occasional group experience or if they really enjoy smaller group content.

If PvE isn't your thing, the game has a lot of PvP options. At launch, the game will have battlegrounds and arenas available in both rated and unrated versions, as well as open PvP servers and warplots at the top end of the leveling curve. The panel showed off Walatiki Temple (which has already been discussed) as well as the Halls of the Bloodsworn, which is a map based around capturing control points via a presence-based mechanic. One side attacks and tries to capture three rooms in sequence while the other team tries to stop them, then both teams switch roles and try to do the opposite.

Arenas, unlike battlegrounds, are meant as straight matches between players -- but not pure deathmatches. In an arena match, each side will have a shared set of lives, with 3v3 teams having six lives (arenas will be available in 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5, suggesting four lives for 2v2 and ten for 5v5). Each time a player on one side dies, the stock of remaining lives goes down by one and the player respawns. Once the lives are gone and the opposing team is dead, the match is over. Limiting shared respawns keeps matches moving quickly and places an emphasis on long-term player performance.

Next on the plate was a discussion of items and rewards, with the underlying philosophy being that players should be participating in the content they enjoy and being rewarded accordingly. The goal is to keep items interesting, with two systems helping accomplish that along the way -- runeforging and imbuements.

Runeforging is a system that should be fairly familiar to several players. You place runes in rune slots on equipment, with various runes offering stat boosts, special effects, and so forth. The additional wrinkles are twofold. First of all, the game's item sets are not on armor but are instead on runes, meaning that items with more rune slots can potentially lead to wearing multiple sets with according bonuses. Second, rune slots are random, not fixed. Sometimes you'll get an item with multiple slots, sometimes you won't, and they can come from anywhere.

Imbuements, on the other hand, are mini-quests that come along with items. Getting a powerful sword is nice, but an imbuement on the sword means that some of the weapon's power is locked away until you accomplish another goal. You never are forced to, and the item is quite powerful without it, but clearing the associated tasks allow you to unlock more potential abilities.

This is illustrated in depth with the game's artifact weapons, which are essentially hugely powerful weapons from the hardest content which have an even harder list of imbuements that can be unlocked, culminating in what's been described as an 80-person raid.

But what if you spend all of your time and never get all of these snazzy items? There's a catch for that in place as well via the elder gem system. Both earning experience and completing other endgame content at the level cap can reward you with elder gems, which can in turn be used to purchase items that would drop from bosses. You need to unlock the achievement for beating that boss first, but once you do, the goal is that strings of bad luck won't doom you to have sub-par items forever.

Of course, some people don't really care about progression, they care about the story. That's something on the mind of the team as well, and it was addressed via story instances for single players. Here, the focus is upon exploring lore, understanding what happened to the Eldan and what's going on with Nexus, and it culminates in cleaning up their mess.

Traditionally, MMOs have contained most of their big epic story content in endgame raids, which has the slight problem of most hardcore raiders not caring all that much about story. Instead, WildStar places the bulk of the main narrative in places for players to explore and understand at their leisure. That's not to say the raids won't have stories, just that the big dramatic arc and subsequent updates will be accessible to everyone who cares, not just the people with progression raiding on their minds.

Speaking of raids, what will those be like? In a word, hard. The goal is to make content that will challenge players and force them to really step up their game. It's also not meant to be the usual pattern of chewing though trash and then facing a boss after clearing away enough boring enemies.

As explained by the developers, what would normally be trash is instead thought of as base population, with the goal being that every encounter on the way to a boss is both a puzzle and a challenge. The content isn't even necessarily about fighting -- the game is structured so that you can be just as challenged by the environment as by a pack of enemies. And you can get rewards just by fighting through these sections of the raid, not only by clearing bosses, ensuring that the whole experience is fun and rewarding.

Well, it's fun if you like dying over and over to mechanics that knock out half of the raid over and over.

The whole panel ended with the Warplots trailer, which was short on hard details but long on character while also revealing that captured bosses will be usable as minions in Warplots. Jeremy Gaffney also mentioned that the game's discs have officially gone gold as of today, meaning that they're being manufactured and prepared for release. There's still another two months until you can play the game, but it seems like you'll have more than a couple things to do when that time comes. Even once you have the leveling out of the way.

Massively's on the ground in Boston during the weekend of April 11th to 13th, bringing you all the best news from PAX East 2014. Whether you're dying to know more about WildStar, Landmark, or any MMO in between, we aim to have it covered!


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[Roo Stercogburn]

I was very interested in Wildstar to begin with but as it gets closer to launch I've not heard or seen a single thing that makes me want to play it.

 

[Mkilbride]

So I tried WildStar out, beta weekend and all...not seeing the hype. It does nothing original - and that's fine really, but nothing it does, it does well. It tries to do everything all MMORPGS do, from various ones, but ends up mediocore.

Jack of all Trades and master of none. Art-style isn't horrible, but boy, everything about it SCREAMS "F2P Korean MMORPG /w Cash shop!"

I give it two years before F2P. It sucks, during the startign area, it's pretty intense and seems to be fun, but when you get out of that(one hour in), and it's like "HEy, go kill 5 of these for Wolf pelts":

Fucking seriously. It's Sci-fi, some planet...and NPCs still asking for Wolf-pelts for crappy XP and money.

Grinding mobs, sucks too, I HATE this trend in MMORPGS lately where you can't simply GRIND mobs to level, it's fucking annoying, they want you to do their shitty quests. Christ.

So, I'm LV4, killing these guys for 5% or so XP a kill, not alot, they're LV5 enemies. Sounds great. Then I hit LV5.

Same enemies, now 0.5% XP. That's so god damned stupid. I hate modern MMORPGS, and in general what they've become. "No no, we won't want XP parties, we want you to grind Dungeons and Quest!"

At least Mob grinding ENCOURAGED you to explore the world. This Dungeons and Quest only says "No, don't bother."

"Paths" were a cool idea...until you realize ALL IT IS IS CONTENT GATING. Basically "You need to make another character if you want to experience THIS content!"

So fucking dumb. The content should be available to all, but your Path giving it unique twists, instead they lock of content to specific paths. Imagine, Class-specific gear, but instead, Class-specific areas. That's just a fucking time-sink, it's so awful.

I also despise the "Red-zone", showing enemy attacks. You should HAVE TO LEARN enemy attack-patterns and such. This is why I disliked FFXIV ARR as well. In other MMORPGS, in the past, you'd get a visual cue, some kind of warning by the enemy that would alert you and you'd go at it.

Now, shit flashes big red everywhere and tells you exactly when to dodge, to the mili-second. I'm not one of those "HARD-CORE ONLY!" gamers, but I like a -little- challenge. Also, it's another game that falls into "More screen clutter = better game!", which I despise as well. I like a clean UI.

Overall I am not seeing why people think this is going to be the next big MMORPG. Nothing about it is revolutionary it has no gimmick to get you in, and it's not even well-polished. The game releases in less than two months, I know, but there is NOT enough time left to polish it for release.

It's buggy, stuff doesn't work half the time, optimization is poor, especially for the graphics it has. I am not talking about art-style here people, but actual graphical fidelity here folks. It's bad, and that's ok, I don't play games for graphics either...but for the PERFORMANCE to be what it is? For what we have?

I know release isn't until EARLY June, but that is NOT that far off. Level up sounds are fun though, but I don't care for them overall.

It's a game that literally wants you to solo all the content. They said in several interviews their main focus is on solo content, hence, it is not my kind of MMORPG.

Good on you if you like it, but it's not my cup of tea.

 

[Ormorof]

I got a beta key so will try it out, it is frustrating that so many MMOs have ended up being made that would have made pretty epic single player games

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

MMO is the new DRM. Even when the MMO is effectively a single player experience.

 

[svartalf]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRAWJeb3wH8

 

[Ormorof]

been playing it this morning and it feels a little dated, more like what i would expect from an mmo from 2008 at least with dialogue and quest options

 

[Syri]

I had a go with it. I think the best I can say is not bad, but not brilliant. It seems quite well put together, but doesn't push any boundaries at all. Very much by-the-book. Its stand-out feature is pretty much that it's a sci-fi MMO, so a break from all the fantasy titles. Other than that though, business as usual, the same as almost any other MMO.

 

[Ormorof]

yes i like the sci-fi setting is quite nice, even the comedy aspect seems quite good "HOLY sh*t you levelled up cupcake" made me chuckle

but overall its very average, the lack of any voice acting is a bit jarring after spending time play ESO (beta only) and other MMOs like SWTOR

 

[Agell]

Its a big time sink, I have lost hours over the last couple of beta weekends. Enjoyed it much more than ESO (which may just be the type of game that it is), the humour is great and so far the story is good too. I am not sure about the end game, but getting there should be fun. I need to stop playing the next couple of weekends and wait for the release.

 

[Ctuchik]

Have they done anything at all to improve the combat or is it still a fucked up mess of all the worst parts from GW2 and NW:O?