Wild West Mafia, Game#1

[old.Tohtori]

Look at it this way since day one Levin has been advocating for anyone to be killed, but he has never started a bandwagon himself, only conviniently jumped on one.

Killing Golena was a perfect start, "oh i killed a bandit, i must be nice!"

Also the fact that if one had to choose between me and Ch3tan, the evidence would point towards Ch3tan, yet somehow Levin is again forgetting it all and voting for the least guilty guy from the ones under suspicion. Not saying Ch3tan is guilty, just saying it seems weird.

Also i'm betting his devotion to forgetting every fact against Iceforge being the Sheriff is due to him knowing Iceforge won't live the night.

If you look at the town records, you'll know what i mean about Levin. Sneaky to the core.

 

[Ch3tan]

First like me, him by Random, me by Iceforge. But none of us know anything about that, it's only their claim that we are.

If you want logic between me and Ch3tan:

Ch3tan didn't vote for Golena.
Ch3tan had words with ECA before the night ECA was killed.
ECA changed his vote from Ch3tan just before the night to kill Rubric, so Ch3tan wouldn't look at all guilty if ECA was killed.
Ch3tan is hellbent on hanging our "claimed Sheriff".

This is only in the case if you believe Iceforge and RandomBastard, otherwise, should choose between them.

If you wish to hang me, hang me then, but atleast i'm going to bring up the failure of logic in choosing me over Ch3tan.

LOL. That is your logic?

I did not vote for Golena: True, the town got lucky, with no evidence and a bloodthirsty mob. I was having a nap (OOC work) and returned to see a bloodthirsty mob had already condemned Golena.

I had words with ECA: Hardly, I did not accuse him of anything but meta-gaming. He covered his tracks, end of.

ECA changed his vote to Rubirc: Yes he did, like the rest of you bloodthirsty fools he seemed desperate to kill someone, anyone, ignoring the fact that delaying things and talking would help us more.

Ch3tan would not look guilty if ECA was killed: I would look just as guilty as anyone else. Infact I already looked less guilty for the fact I wasn't voting for or accusing ECA.

Ch3tan is hellbent on hanging our sherrif: lier, lier toht, Now you keep saying this and it is irking me. I am hellbent on finding out the truth. Something very few of you seem to care about, all I have done is point out the (huge) inconsistensies in Iceforges argument. Which still exist by the way. I have been forcing him to argue and expand on his own points to see if he is being truthful or not.

Here is how I see things:

Ch3tan, Toht, Random - We could each of us be a bandit or a merc, or equally a regular townie. No actions taken by Iceforge disprove either role for anyone one of us.

Iceforge - Only thing going in his favour is a lack of a counter-claim. He keeps missing posts, and IMO uses some very flimsy logic.

Will - Posts just enough, but says very litte. Unless it is about random.

Levin, Uara - Hmmm. If I had to choose two bandits right now, with no other days left it would be these two.

Jimmy - I rekon he is our "watcher/scout"

Calo, Down - Might as well not play.

 

[old.Tohtori]

LOL. That is your logic?

I want to clear the air a bit, like i said above, i'm -not- saying you're a mercenary or a bandit, i'm using you as an example of how illogical it's to vote for me when us two are put on a chopping block. If you know what i mean by that.

The "reasons" are flimsy at best i know, but still more reason then hanging someone who, to my own knowledge, has been trying to help people and has even helped catch a bandit. If you look, i basically condemned Golena on day one and got the last votes for him.

I'd just like to hear from people why they think i'm such a bad guy, other then questioning peoples knowledge about a mercenary in town.

I'm beting anyone guilty would stay right out of these topics and just let the town kill itself.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And i have to say, that if i wasn't a bit curious about Levin, i'd vote for Iceforge because i -know- i would've noticed something about being thrown in jail in the middle of the night.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And just to clear any further confusion, that's the only reason i can think of, besides what Ch3t said about "iceforge forgetting stuff", to vote for Iceforge.

I'm not that sound a sleeper.

 

[Jimmy]

well if i had my own way id string you all up.

i would like to see iceforge prove him self by making someone a deputy but i do not think he should say who, this way tomorrow he can say who he made a deputy and they can prove or disprove it.

*passes toht a drink*

try to stay awake

 

[old.Tohtori]

If we simply want to "advance" the investigation regarding Iceforge, which kind of defines our suspicions today, then we should all just go to bed and convene tomorrow without any killing today.

 

[Uara]

The only reason I can see that you would be classified as being a bad guy is we went along with Iceforge's version of events and that when you and Ch3tan were locked up no killing went on. But there are flaws in that argument:

1)Biggie is Iceforge the sheriff, if anyone openly says he is the sheriff instead of Iceforge they are opening up themselves to being attacked during the night. Plus we need to get a lynch to prove the theory of the deputisation as I'm guessin u only find out about it at night, at least that what it sounds like from other people. But as Ch3tan said Iceforge does seem to miss out a lot of things that have been said and then picks them up and twists them to his advantage. quite a suspicious thing to do in my mind

2)Toht and Ch3tan could have been the targets on the first night, hence why only 1 person was killed. all of which has already been raised in previous discussion and I can't really bring anything new to that point

Levin starting a band-wagon rolling isn't a good thing and just makes it seem like your out for blood of any variety. Your resting everything you have on whether Iceforge is actually the sheriff and I don't like it.

I'm beting anyone guilty would stay right out of these topics and just let the town kill itself.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, there's enough mudslinging going on now that soon there's going to be a lynching either rightly or wrong. If I was a bandit I'd stand well back and just let this whole thing work itself out, take advantage of the situation

Although I may hav supported Levin's view in the earlier days, his desire for getting a band-wagon going against Toht is looking mighty dangerous.

 

[Calo]

well if i had my own way id string you all up.

i would like to see iceforge prove him self by making someone a deputy but i do not think he should say who, this way tomorrow he can say who he made a deputy and they can prove or disprove it.

*passes toht a drink*

try to stay awake

Thats true, but i think people will only know when its night that are a deputy.

then again, a no-lynch could give us 2 plain simple kills in the night, its more about luck then.

 

[Will]

1)Biggie is Iceforge the sheriff, if anyone openly says he is the sheriff instead of Iceforge they are opening up themselves to being attacked during the night. Plus we need to get a lynch to prove the theory of the deputisation as I'm guessin u only find out about it at night, at least that what it sounds like from other people. But as Ch3tan said Iceforge does seem to miss out a lot of things that have been said and then picks them up and twists them to his advantage. quite a suspicious thing to do in my mind

The sheriff could reveal themselves, and protect themselves tonight. We'd hang Iceforge, a good end to the day. Since this hasn't happened, I'm happy to accept Iceforge is the sheriff.

Since Iceforge deputising Ch3tan isn't going to prove Ch3t one way or the other, its a moot point now.

Toht trying to convince us Ch3t is the merc...if you accept the arguement that our most likely chance of killing someone is a choice between Ch3t and Toht, due to the lack of merc kill when they were both jailed, and you are Toht, of course you are going to accuse Ch3t. I'd rather not be killed in that situation. If you don't accept the arguement, then we've got fuck all to go on, and no lynch is the way to go. Though we'll still have fuck all to go on tomorrow.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The sheriff could reveal themselves, and protect themselves tonight. We'd hang Iceforge, a good end to the day. Since this hasn't happened, I'm happy to accept Iceforge is the sheriff.

Since Iceforge deputising Ch3tan isn't going to prove Ch3t one way or the other, its a moot point now.

Toht trying to convince us Ch3t is the merc...if you accept the arguement that our most likely chance of killing someone is a choice between Ch3t and Toht, due to the lack of merc kill when they were both jailed, and you are Toht, of course you are going to accuse Ch3t. I'd rather not be killed in that situation. If you don't accept the arguement, then we've got fuck all to go on, and no lynch is the way to go. Though we'll still have fuck all to go on tomorrow.

Yes ofcourse i'd blame Ch3t if i was the mercenary. But if i was not, i'd be sure to show from the forced choice between me and Ch3t, how Ch3rt should be suspected more. None of us want to die and if i must accuse someone else and point out why they are bad to save myself, then ofcourse i will.

There's one way to be sure though, jail Ch3tan and if only one kill, then he's the mercenary.
Or Jail me, and same thing.

But that ofcourse has the problem that Iceforge could be lying again.

Everything has a deviant side to it.

What i'm curious is about why people dismiss the possibility of a merc or bandit failing due to me being protected? I'm asking this because this hunt for the mercenary between me and Ch3tan has surely put the bandit in a nice place.

 

[old.Tohtori]

What i meant with first part Will is, if i said "Hang me and you'll see you're wrong!", like usually in these situations, it would help nothing at all towards the town or bring decisive matters into play. I don't feel that threatening the townsfolk with your own death is very constructive.

Ofcourse everyone claims innocence, it would be foolish not to.

 

[Levin]

There's one way to be sure though, jail Ch3tan and if only one kill, then he's the mercenary. Or Jail me, and same thing.

Yes, how very convenient. If you are the mercenary then, all you have to do is not kill anyone while Chetan is in jail and then point at him as the mercenary. And according to Iceforge you WERE jailed, and there was no nightkill!

But that ofcourse has the problem that Iceforge could be lying again.

Am I the only one who sees Iceforge's quite solid alibi? He said he did NOT deputize anyone yesterday. It would be very easy for anyone deputized yesterday to come and say "yes, i was deputized - Iceforge is a liar!". It wouldn't hurt the person at all doing that, and it would help the town immensely. So why hasn't that happened? Well in my eyes, because Iceforge is telling the truth! I think you are getting desperate here to shift blame on Iceforge in order to get yourself in the clear.

Everything has a deviant side to it.

Yes, indeed.

What i'm curious is about why people dismiss the possibility of a merc or bandit failing due to me being protected? I'm asking this because this hunt for the mercenary between me and Ch3tan has surely put the bandit in a nice place.

I've definately taken that into account. But what would you say would be our alternative? Here we have people who are 50% chance to be bad guys! You know you'd go for that too as it's the best lead we got! We have no comparable leads on other people!

Otherwise I have to say that blaming people for starting bandwagons is a mild form of hypocrisy. I'm sure everyone want others to vote for "their" candidate but if people vote for someone else they are starting dangerous bandwagons. I think people should just vote for who they want others to vote for and not be shy about it. That simple.

Tohtori you say i have only jumped on other bandwagons and never started one myself. Really? I tried to start one on Jimmy when he was inactive and I wanted him either to wake up or get strung up. Placed the first vote on him, but only got Will with me so it fizzled. Don't say things that aren't true, man.

Tohtori, you say that Ch3tan seems more guilty than you do. Well, not in my eyes. Sure, Ch3tan has been very aggressive but that in itself doesn't mean guilty to me. He was in the slammer too that first night though, i agree.

You, on the other hand, rang my alarm bells when we were talking about mercenaries and how you all the time seem to want to shift focus elsewhere. That, combined with the fact that I believe Iceforge is the sheriff and you really were in the slammer the first night, AND, yes, combined with that there is already a vote for you so easier to get others to follow (I'm not ever going to say I'm not trying to get others to help vote for who I think is guilty), made me vote for you and not Ch3tan.

 

[Will]

It would probably make our lives a lot easier if the tracker and the watcher came forward. We're pretty much flailing around in the dark here. But until something better comes up, I'm going to have to stick with voting Toht.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes, how very convenient. If you are the mercenary then, all you have to do is not kill anyone while Chetan is in jail and then point at him as the mercenary. And according to Iceforge you WERE jailed, and there was no nightkill!

Yes, how convenient you left out the two facts that i said "or jail me and prove me guilty" and that Ch3tan would have also been unable to kill anyone night one.

*claps*

Well spun indeed.

You starting a bandwagon on Jimmy? Please, you voted for Jimmy while everyone else was pickering about other matters. You ahrdly even advocated towards him being guilty.

And me changing the subject on mercenaries? On the contrary, i've brought more to the table of possible things that might have happened, even my own guilt, then you have.

You've yet to say one thing, besides the lie about me wanting to change away from the mercenary, which by the way only comes from me saying "don't forget the dang bandit", and that i was jailed, at the same time that Ch3tan was confined too.

But ofcourse, why need anything mroe when you can just leave out critical information and just point how i'm bad.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not to mention, you Levin, have always jumped straight for the throat anytime someone even whispers that you might be guilty.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And something more to chew on, because i'm needed at work. Who would want, as a bandit, and who to be hung?

I'm not saying "look over there!" like Levin seems to suggest all the time, i'm saying think about it so you don't just concentrate on killing me or Ch3t and then realize "Ah yeah, our bandit is still out there."

 

[old.Tohtori]

Als(damn edit rule), Will, if i or ch3t were a tracker, as i believe ECA was the town watcher, we couldn't come out and say it now as that would most likely be spun as "cop out! cop out!!!".

Example.

I would be the tracker.
Levin would be the bandit.
I claim tracker.
Levin claims i lie 'cause he's the tracker.

Who do you think peolpe would believe at this stage?

 

[Will]

If we get claim and counterclaim, at least we know who to kill tomorrow.

 

[Iceforge]

If we get claim and counterclaim, at least we know who to kill tomorrow.

The problem with that is, as I heard a rumour about from another town, that sometimes innocent townies with the best intentions get so set on someone being guilty that they would counterclaim, which then lead to two innocent people going down.
Such sad behaviour... hopefully no innocent people in this town is that stupid.

 

[Will]

Well, they will understand when we place the rope around their necks...

Until the tracker and watcher come forwards, we are working with fuck all information. They may think that individually they don't have enough info, but together they may have enough. We can eliminate a few more people from our enquiries, and then we are more likely to get through this. If they both get killed tonight (for example) we are totally screwed, and they won't be able to share any info.

 

[Uara]

we just have to hope that the information that they would have gathered is not on the people that are already dead. If it is, its pointless for them to come forward, but anyway I think the watcher is already dead, ECA was the watcher, so its just the tracker who can come forward if he's got useful info.

 

[Jimmy]

(occ im away till sunday night due to course that im doing im not sure il have the net over the weekend if i do il try and post if not thats is why im quite)

 

[Will]

we just have to hope that the information that they would have gathered is not on the people that are already dead. If it is, its pointless for them to come forward, but anyway I think the watcher is already dead, ECA was the watcher, so its just the tracker who can come forward if he's got useful info.

Oh, was he? I should probably pay more attention.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I can't blame people for voting for me, afterall the first nights scenarios are these.

*takes out pad*

Either i was saved by Iceforge putting me in lockdown and the mercenary trying to kill me.
I was the mercenary, thus unable to act.
Ch3tan was the mercenary and tried to take me out.
The mercenary did something else as Iceforge suggested, is this possible? I don't know.
Someone else was the mercenary and Ch3tan was playing with his action figures, tried to kill me and failed.

If looked clearly from a fact point of view, without any "what did he mean by that", i know i'm a prime suspect.

Second night, well, evidently both the mercenary and bandit took out ECA. How they both knew who he was, well, might have just been a lucky guess.

If i was the tracker, first night wouldn't have brought me any info. Second night, some i believe, but the chances of me and Random checking and stopping Ch3tan are minimal. Also, if i was locked down as Iceforge said, then i couldn't bring any more info on him either as he would be prooved as the Sheriff(which i believe he is, as said earlier). Now what's left? Giving you info on innocent townies or the slim change of actually knowing the bandit or mercenary.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And yes earlier i was a bit on the edge, work stress and this flu that's been going around have gotten me a bit edgy, accusations tend to get on nerves then. Apologies for that.

 

[Levin]

Yes, how convenient you left out the two facts that i said "or jail me and prove me guilty" and that Ch3tan would have also been unable to kill anyone night one.

*claps*

Well spun indeed.

It was in the quote you yourself quoted! Conveniently overlooked indeed!

I said in that quote: "And according to Iceforge you WERE jailed, and there was no nightkill!" Basicly I was confirming that it has already happened and yes indeed there was no mercenary nightkill!

You starting a bandwagon on Jimmy? Please, you voted for Jimmy while everyone else was pickering about other matters. You ahrdly even advocated towards him being guilty.

Oh so now you're the judge on "how to start a bandwagon 101" eh? Funny you're such an expert since you hate bandwagons so much? If i'd voted for you right there instead of Jimmy I'm sure you'd have attacked me for that too.

And me changing the subject on mercenaries? On the contrary, i've brought more to the table of possible things that might have happened, even my own guilt, then you have.

Sorry but the impression i've been getting is that you've tried to shift focus elsewhere. We are close to circling in the merc right now, and yet you want us to drop that and focus on the bandit who we yet don't have a clue as to whom it might be. Failing logic, to me, as both merc and bandit are equally dangerous to us. Still I understand why you do it, since you're the one we're focusing on.

You've yet to say one thing, besides the lie about me wanting to change away from the mercenary, which by the way only comes from me saying "don't forget the dang bandit", and that i was jailed, at the same time that Ch3tan was confined too.

I've already explained why I voted you and not Ch3tan. And why would I or anyone be forgetting the bandit just because we're also trying to get the mercenary serial killer out of the way? This is what I mean about trying to shift focus.

But ofcourse, why need anything mroe when you can just leave out critical information and just point how i'm bad.

What critical information? You seem to assume people don't take things into consideration when they vote in a way you don't agree with. I've taken the 50/50 factor into consideration. I've taken Iceforge and Ch3tan into consideration. I think the first is the sheriff and that the latter may be suspect too, but other things have added up to make me vote on you. If you say those things are false, well.. that doesn't help me unvote you as of course you'd say that even if guilty.

I firmly believe you are the mercenary Tohtori. There's no nice way of saying that. All I can offer is - I'm sorry. I accept that you think I am the bandit or maybe even the mercenary. What else do you want from me?

 

[Levin]

And after seeing your latest response Tohtori.. no hard feelings! I know how the heat and stress can get to one's mood. I'm probably affected by it myself so I should apologize as well.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It was in the quote you yourself quoted! Conveniently overlooked indeed!

I said in that quote: "And according to Iceforge you WERE jailed, and there was no nightkill!" Basicly I was confirming that it has already happened and yes indeed there was no mercenary nightkill!

Exactly, and that indicates that beause i was jailed, there was no nightkill. But Ch3tan was jailed too. So anything people say about me being in jail, applies to Ch3tan too.

About the shifting of focus, i can't help if you feel like it, but it hasn't been intentional. If i was the mercenary, i wouldn't comment on the mercenary at all. You might have noticed from my usual manners that i'm not one who has shyed away from schools, it would be infact stupid of me to comment on the mercenary at all.

I was merely keeping peoples focus on the bandit too, as i said, it's too easy for the bandit to slip by now. Not to mention that if the mercenary did try to kill me on the first night, he's probably laughing at his shack right now.

No hard feelings, each night that passes, we get more on the edge.

And yes your assumption is right, after i said jailing me or Ch3tan would proove something, the mercenary now would probably just not kill.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Unvote: Levin

Just been looking back, had to give Levin an answer as he's usually on limited time.

But, as i was saying, been looking back and one thing worries me that i haven't noticed before and that's Uara being very agreeing with my on all points. Normally i would enjoy this, but it's kinda like having someone behind your back going "Yeah yeah, do what he says" before sticking a knife in m back.