Wild West Mafia, Game#1

[Will]

I am ofcourse trying to save my life though, as should anyone who hasn't done anything wrong. Kinda why i'm wondering why the apathy towards me accusing you, or do you simply think "they won't vote for me"?

The apathy is due to the fact your case isn't very convincing. So yes, I do think they won't vote for me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

That's quite funny coming from you....

Heads Ch3tan, tails Toht.

Tails. vote : Toht If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I think this is the best odds of catching a guilty party at the moment.

 

[Levin]

And i'd like a clearing on the whole Ch3tan and me thing because like i said, at the moment it seems you guys are hanging me 'cause Iceforge did his job.

To me it looks like this.

Iceforge did his job and put you two away for a night. We have established that there was no mercenary kill that night. That means to me, that there is a 50% chance that one of you is a mercenary. Yes, I know there is also a 50% chance that you're innocent. But those 50% are a lot better than our chances otherwise. It's a horrible situation though, I agree, and I'd rather have something else to go on to be honest.

And the only thing i'm blaming other people for is inactivity. I am not sure they are bad guys, because I think they'd be more active then. I do think they're hurting the investigation though. Just chucking a vote in and then not say anything more isn't helping a lot either. The question is, what can we do about it? Town management says they're within their rights to act as they are.

 

[old.Tohtori]

To me it looks like this.

Iceforge did his job and put you two away for a night. We have established that there was no mercenary kill that night. That means to me, that there is a 50% chance that one of you is a mercenary. Yes, I know there is also a 50% chance that you're innocent. But those 50% are a lot better than our chances otherwise. It's a horrible situation though, I agree, and I'd rather have something else to go on to be honest.

And the only thing i'm blaming other people for is inactivity. I am not sure they are bad guys, because I think they'd be more active then. I do think they're hurting the investigation though. Just chucking a vote in and then not say anything more isn't helping a lot either. The question is, what can we do about it? Town management says they're within their rights to act as they are.

It's not exactly 50%, but, i get what you mean. There's actually quite a higher percentage that i'm innocent if you take into consideration the possibility of me being saved, not unlikely as i usually do get offed rather fast, especially when voting bad guys out.

I would've been a logical target for anyone after i caused Golena to bite the big one. Even the mercenary as i caught Golena then.

Also, what Iceforge suggested, that the mercenary just wasn't killing that night.

 

[Ch3tan]

It's not a 50% chance. There is a 33.3% chance that one of us is a merc.

On the basis that your logic for voting either of us is based on shit maths.

vote Levin

It's a Will/Levin combo, and if it is not, then blame the quiet ones for distorting things so much.

 

[Ch3tan]

On the quiet players.

Town mangement should be open to a petition against the quiet ones.

mod I the undersigned am sick of the quiet members of this town ruining things for everyone else and demand you take some action against them

 

[Will]

I wondered how long it would taken Ch3tan to twig that if Toht is innocent, this logic means we would kill him next. Unless something else came up.

It doesn't change the two facts I know. I'm innocent, and Iceforge is probably innocent. Everything else is unknown, but Ch3t and Toht have more chance of being scum than anyone else.

 

[Jimmy]

well well well looks like some cats are out of the bag
(occ i r back from my traing course will now catch up)

 

[Will]

Actually no. No cats are out of any bags.

 

[Ch3tan]

How long it took me to twig it?

I realised that possibilty pages ago, I have stated it, I have stated the fact that it does not give a 50/50 chance of one of us being a merc. This facts seems to be ignored by Levin and yourself.

The only proof of you being innocent is your word. The fact that both myself and toht were locked up on night one when there was a bandit kill actually rules out the possibility of us being a bandit pair.

 

[Ch3tan]

mod votecount please

 

[Uara]

Yup, meaning one of us who weren't locked up is a bandit. We've been so caught up in the hunt for the merc that we've kinda left the bandit hunting by the way-side! Not good as hunting the bandit down is more important than getting the merc.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I wondered how long it would taken Ch3tan to twig that if Toht is innocent, this logic means we would kill him next. Unless something else came up.

It doesn't change the two facts I know. I'm innocent, and Iceforge is probably innocent. Everything else is unknown, but Ch3t and Toht have more chance of being scum than anyone else.

There's also facts i know, and suprise suprise, they go about the same.

But, even if i did think Ch3t is guilty, i can't vote for him because if i was saved night one, AND Ch3t is innocent, i'm signing my own death warrant.

The whole "no way Tohtori was saved" thing puts a BIG questionmark over it all. I just wish people would actually ocnsider it and look outside the box of TWO out of TEN.

There's a 20% chance i'm guilty, like with everyone else.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yup, meaning one of us who weren't locked up is a bandit. We've been so caught up in the hunt for the merc that we've kinda left the bandit hunting by the way-side! Not good as hunting the bandit down is more important than getting the merc.

I've been telling the town this, but evidently it's the words of a mercenary...

 

[Calo]

How long it took me to twig it?

I realised that possibilty pages ago, I have stated it, I have stated the fact that it does not give a 50/50 chance of one of us being a merc. This facts seems to be ignored by Levin and yourself.

The only proof of you being innocent is your word. The fact that both myself and toht were locked up on night one when there was a bandit kill actually rules out the possibility of us being a bandit pair.

How can 2 people be locked up? The sheriff can roleblock & protect 1 Person each night, and choose deputy who then can roleblock another one(or the same if he is unlucky), he can't protect.

now night 1 : toht in jail, random deputy, ch3tan roleblocked. only 1 kill while there is a bandit and a merc, could be that toht is bad, could be somebody hitted toht or that random roleblocked a bad guy. I don't think the merc would not kill on the first night.

So or, one of the bad guys tried to take toht out, or one of those 2 isn't what he says he is.

Still means that there is 1 bad guy out there except those 2

We could take our chances with toht or ch3tan, its 33% that you will kill a bad one, still means 66% that we will kill an innocent. not that optimistic.

Keeping my eye on levin and see how the other townies think about it, should we take the risk or not?

 

[Ch3tan]

Calo, I am not sure what you mean with your post. You seem to argue what I have said then come to the same conclusions?

The deputy does the same as the sheriff jails (roleblocks and protects) one player each night. mod can you clarify this, it is not clear from the rules as to what the deputy does

The only scenarios, and lets get this out of the way for the very last sodding time now:

1) Either myself or toht is a bandit. Not both assuming there are more than 1 left alive, as we had a bandit kill that night.

2) Neither myself or toht are bandits.

3) Myself or toht is the merc. No merc kill will we were locked up.

4) The merc targetted myself or toht and failed as we (or just toht until deputy role is clarified) were protected. No merc kill while we were locked up.

It would be very unlikely that we were both bandits as that would assume more than 2 remaining bandits.

 

[Levin]

I am not surprised Will and I are getting aggro from the two that logics point at having a higher probability of being mercenaries. I still think there's a 50% that one of you is a merc. I'm not saying there's a 50% YOU are a merc Ch3tan.. just that one of you two is. See the difference? I admit to not being a math genius though, so please explain where I got it wrong otherwise.

In either case, it's true that this doesn't help us find the remaining bandits. And it's also true that you two are, according to the same logic as above, absolutely not bandits as long as there aren't more than one bandit left.

So once again.. what else do we have to go on? Are we at least all agreed that Iceforge probably is the sheriff?

 

[Calo]

I want to know if the deputy can protect, I really don't think so.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I am not surprised Will and I are getting aggro from the two that logics point at having a higher probability of being mercenaries. I still think there's a 50% that one of you is a merc. I'm not saying there's a 50% YOU are a merc Ch3tan.. just that one of you two is. See the difference? I admit to not being a math genius though, so please explain where I got it wrong otherwise.

In either case, it's true that this doesn't help us find the remaining bandits. And it's also true that you two are, according to the same logic as above, absolutely not bandits as long as there aren't more than one bandit left.

So once again.. what else do we have to go on? Are we at least all agreed that Iceforge probably is the sheriff?

Then if i say you and Will have the same 50% chance of being the remaining bandit, that would be as true? You either are or not. Right?

There is a 50/50 chance that Ch3tan is a merc, but not in my case as i was the only oen protected that night. My chance of being a merc are around the 33% that Calo said. These are just facts. One out of three options.

When you annoy someone enough with relentless accusations, yes, you get targetted back. But i'm also going by other votes, day one votes and such other bahaviour patterns.

 

[RandomBastard]

I'm of the opinion that one of our imprisoned pair, ch3t or toht, are guilty.

However I do not know which, but on the basis of myself imprisioning ch3tan and seeing no activity over the night I shall vote for the toht.

Vote: toht

 

[old.Tohtori]

What?

That's maybe the loosest thing to vote me on, if you have to choose between the two.

"I did locked him up so he must be innocent."

Come on! Gods...I wouldn't mind people voting me based on something, but based on being thrown in jail by Iceforge...

 

[Ch3tan]

Random - guilty of what exactly.

 

[RandomBastard]

Being mercenaries.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's just great, you hang me, notice what i told you earlier and then hang Ch3tan for being a mercenary. *claps*

Maybe i should vote for myself to help you guys out 'ause you're so nice.

 

[Ch3tan]

Being mercenaries.

Are you being purposefully dense?

33% chance.

You are wasting a vote, re-read this thread well and place it better.


We would all be better off putting our energies into finding the bandits and our gold. The merc and bandits will hopefully take care of each other.

 

[Olgaline]

Right,
So I can finally accses FH again
havent been able to for the alst 24hrs for some odd reason.

Vote Count:

Voting Will: Tohtori,
Voting Tohtori: Will, Levin, Random,
Voting Ch3tan: Downaneal,
Voting Levin: Ch3tan

Not Voting: Jimmy, Calo, Iceforge, Uara

with 10 Alive it takes 6 to Lynch

Now as for the Deputy,
The deputy is awarded one role block by the sheriff

 

[Uara]

(OOC: Plus we can win without findin the mercenary, but if we can't find the bandit we lose!)
So I agree with Ch3tan we need to put our energies into finding the bandit!

 

[Calo]

(OOC: Plus we can win without findin the mercenary, but if we can't find the bandit we lose!)
So I agree with Ch3tan we need to put our energies into finding the bandit!

So do you have anything on the bandit? my guess is will or levin bandit, toht merc. but thats just my feeling

I agree, we don'' know any of the conditions of the merc. Do we need to concentrate on the bandit , or on the merc?

 

[Levin]

Then if i say you and Will have the same 50% chance of being the remaining bandit, that would be as true? You either are or not. Right?

No. Will and I have not been put in jail during a night where a bandit murder was prevented. Surely you see the difference?

But yes, I see the possibility that one of you were protected instead of kept from murdering. I'm not going stake my life on arguing something that i'm not convinced of myself, so back to square one it is then.

Unvote: Tohtori

 

[Levin]

I agree, we don'' know any of the conditions of the merc. Do we need to concentrate on the bandit , or on the merc?

I thought the merc would win by killing everyone else? If not, then yes.. screw the merc I guess.