Why do you give a f*ck about stuff you can't change/doesn't affect you?

[Thorwyn]

And yes Thorwyn, i do consider my own freedom more important then the moral code of some uptight morons telling people what to do.

Rules are rules, society ethics and morals are not.

Yeah yeah, the old rebel and freedom fighter vocabluary. *yawn*
Trust me, generations of imature muppets have been talking like you do until they reached the point where they had to realise that those oh so opressing moral codes (all made and enforced by uptight babbits) are actually quite helpful to get along with each other in the long run. It´s what makes a society possible in the first place. And I dare to say that even the wannabe william-wallaces like you are living by those moral codes. But that´s - of course- just the rules that you specifically decided to accept.

And I can´t see why my comments are stupid. YOU are advocating people´s right to think what they want and care if and when they want. So here we are, just following your argumentation: Antisocial assholes are annoying me! So there, that´s my statement and my freedom of thinking.
Or do we have a small case of double standards because YOU are trying to enforce YOUR moral standards on others?

 

[old.Tohtori]

The problem with your argument is that i'm not advocating antisocial anarchy, or some form of rebel actions.

I was talking about the freedom to choose to live by certain ethics(which are not enforced by law, but by other people). As in; there's no one way to shape the world and anyone claiming there is, is wrong.

The only part about your argument i found stupid is the namecalling and as such, labeling people as evil, because they don't follow your way of life to the dot. Afterall, gay people have been labeled in the same way for ages.

FYI; i was defending my POV and thinking, not the other way around.

 

[Thorwyn]

The problem with your argument is that i'm not advocating antisocial anarchy, or some form of rebel actions.

This may well be the case, but your argumentation does exactly that when you´re thinking about it from start to finish. It´s a moral master key for anything.

The only part about your argument i found stupid is the namecalling and as such, labeling people as evil, because they don't follow your way of life to the dot. Afterall, gay people have been labeled in the same way for ages.

You just performed a borderline-Godwin there.

I claim the right to call a spade a spade. If you don´t like the wording, it´s not my problem. Just excercise your freedom and don´t care.

FYI; i was defending my POV and thinking, not the other way around.

Thinking and THEN defending would have been even better.

I believe you that you were. My point is that your POV is far too easy and - in lack of a better word... don´t mean to insult you - naive to be of any significance for a society.

 

[old.Tohtori]

This may well be the case, but your argumentation does exactly that when you´re thinking about it from start to finish. It´s a moral master key for anything.

It's not though, it's simply a choice of living. Tis doesn't mean you should run around breaking sh*t and judging the government, just that if you don't feel something is ok in your books, you shouldn't accept it.

If you take it into extremes by denying all society, then we're in different territory and i'm not ok with any form of extremism either.

You can accept that everyone shouldn't live by someone elses command right?

You just performed a borderline-Godwin there.

I claim the right to call a spade a spade. If you don´t like the wording, it´s not my problem. Just excercise your freedom and don´t care.

It was meant as such, afterall you and liloe had your share

You can hold the right to call a spade a spade, but i have the same right to call those actions out. It's not exercising my freedom if i don't care, if i do care.

Thinking and THEN defending would have been even better.

I believe you that you were. My point is that your POV is far too easy and - in lack of a better word... don´t mean to insult you - naive to be of any significance for a society.

And i find your POV too strict and way too close to dictatorship thinking.

Since to me, correct me if i'm wrong(as i did there on my POV), you seem to be saying we should follow all laws, ethics and moral codes that are around.

With that thinking, nothing would change(gay example fits again).

 

[Cerb]

Sure, your choice is to punch me, as much as it was my choice to blow rasberries in your face. But it's a choice both made and the consequences are linked to those choices.

BUT, it should BE my choice to do so as well as your choice to punch me.

Then again, punching someone for that will most likely get you in trouble, not me.

Absolutely infact I'm very of the opinion that I might disagree with your choice, but I'll die for your right to make it.

All I'm saying is that personally we should advocate a certain moral code, but allow people to take their own interpretation of it....if that makes sense?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Absolutely infact I'm very of the opinion that I might disagree with your choice, but I'll die for your right to make it.

All I'm saying is that personally we should advocate a certain moral code, but allow people to take their own interpretation of it....if that makes sense?

Kind of, a golden middleground so to speak.

So while Thorwyns way might be too strict regarding morals and all that coming to play, my way might be too easygoing(both having + and - sides).

Perhaps a world where we follow rules(as by law), and also conduct ourselves in a REASONABLE standard of morals, which mainly would focus on the age old thing i've said; live and let live if no harm is done.

Basically; be free, but consider others before waving your willy around.

 

[Lamp]

You're already free, Toto.

Within the confines of the law (which you agree to abide by, by virtue of you being there), you can do what you like, say what you like, be who you like.

If you want to live in the Arctic, or you buy your own Island subject to no other jurisdiction but your own, then you can do whatever you like...but it would be pretty lonely

 

[fettoken]

Well. He could be subject to bombings by the U.S if they do not approve of his shenanigans so to speak. An own island is not so safe as you might think. Think about it!

 

[old.Tohtori]

You're already free, Toto.

Within the confines of the law (which you agree to abide by, by virtue of you being there), you can do what you like, say what you like, be who you like.

If you want to live in the Arctic, or you buy your own Island subject to no other jurisdiction but your own, then you can do whatever you like...but it would be pretty lonely

True, i pretty much am. Even as far as the law is concerned(it's not like it would be hard to avoid the law while breaking it), even if i don't break it even regarding jaywalking.

But, if we're talking of shaping a world to some form or another for all, i'd prefer that to be a basic human right.

Well. He could be subject to bombings by the U.S if they do not approve of his shenanigans so to speak. An own island is not so safe as you might think. Think about it!

Unless ofcourse i already work for US.gov, finding all you rebel English scum and preparing a list of aaaaall who's been naughty or almost!

 

[Ormorof]

So you would be like the CIA Santa Claus?

over regulation can be a pain in the ass, but compare that to other places where you constantly have to be on your guard or you will get swindled/ass raped its a difficult balance, some places get it horribly wrong (like all the health and safety crap in the UK, being sensible and not stupid is 100 times better way of not injuring anyone than filling int 10kg of forms for any kind of organised activity)

on the one hand if you have regulations you get all the beaurocracy that goes with it (which can also be frustrating), but if you have no regulations you get cowboys and lunatics running the show (and frankly, incompetence and corner-cutting becomes the way of life)

 

[Vasconcelos]

 

[xomer]

omg i really get confused with this thread.

Tdc close it :>

 

[TdC]

meh, but to do so would allow your POV to influence mine :-/