Why do you give a f*ck about stuff you can't change/doesn't affect you?

[old.Tohtori]

I guess it's mostly on the tin.

People complain/whine about lazy people, fat people, people who live in their own house, but gather cups of marbles etc.

Nothing that affects them, but still, complainy whiney ahoy.

Same goes with stuff you can't change, like hunger in africa, people actually lose sleep over this sh*t.

So, the essence of the question really is, why do you(or if not you; people) care and complain about stuff they can't affect and doesn't affect them?

FYI; i'm looking more of a reason to do so, if any, so i can pretty much scratch it off the list of "weird sh*t people do".

 

[Raven]

Lazy people do affect me because i pay higher taxes to cover their benefits. In the case of the fatty, even if i wanted to i probably couldn't pay for what he eats in a day. Where does he get the money for his food? thats right, my wage packet. The lazy should gtfo

 

[Chosen]

What Raven said here. I don't whine about people with disabilities they are born with, or got in a accident. But seeing so many fat/lazy people sitting on their asses and collecting tax moneys(MY MONEY), when they don't even bother to do anything at all, annoys the hell out of me.

So funny seeing how many of them complaining about they can't do anything about it, because it is a illness they have, without even tried. You don't get into shape by sitting at the computer eating burgers all day long.

I love the programs where you see the trainers showing no pity, and torturing them down in weight!

 

[old.Tohtori]

But in all likelyhood, even if there were no benefits peeps around, the government would still tax you in the same way. Since not only lazy get benefits and the government is greedy.

Still, even if that's a valid answer, what about other stuff/people? Is it just to fill a void in a boring life, to talk sh*t since there's nothing else to talk about? Or is there some delusion of affecting stuff?

 

[Lamp]

When ppl pull together, stuff can get changed / done. Eg charities. You have to look at a bigger picture

 

[Punishment]

Things are called ''Socially acceptable'' for a reason , they effect everyone to some degree and so there is your answer, it is societies duty and the duty of everyone within it to enforce the ''Unwritten rules'' on a daily basis.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well if you do charity, that's ofcourse doing something to change things.

Maybe the best example can be in politics(since it's mainly UK and you do love your politics ). Most(or atleast a good part) people only complain and don't really do anything abiout it, or can't do anything about it.

Things are called ''Socially acceptable'' for a reason , they effect everyone to some degree and so there is your answer, it is societies duty and the duty of everyone within it to enforce the ''Unwritten rules'' on a daily basis.

Socially acceptable is in my opinion a load of bollocks, but that aside, you don't really enforce anything with bitching about things, or going "Oh me oh my."

 

[Chosen]

But in all likelyhood, even if there were no benefits peeps around, the government would still tax you in the same way. Since not only lazy get benefits and the government is greedy.

Still, even if that's a valid answer, what about other stuff/people? Is it just to fill a void in a boring life, to talk sh*t since there's nothing else to talk about? Or is there some delusion of affecting stuff?

I really don't whine about anything else, aslong as it does not effect me or my close ones =)

But every year, the politics talk about reducing the taxes in Norway. But as it is now, its impossible because of our welfare system, that soo many lazy people abuses(I know quite a few of them personally).

 

[Thorwyn]

The fact that you can´t change a specific thing doesn´t mean you shouldn´t care about it. Otherwise everyone would just sit back and let everything happen, or even worse, people would use the "can´t change it" as an excuse to look away. The result would be a brainless no-care society.

About the "doesn´t affect me" thing... if I feel that something is wrong, it *does* affect me, even if it may not affect me directly. When I see injustice (people in Africa starving while other muppets are wasting food), it does affect my sense of justice and my ethical beliefs.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But do you do something about it Thorwyn?

Because if you don't do anything about it, the no-care society is no different, except that people wouldn't whine about things they don't do anything about.

 

[fettoken]

ololol toht is emo todai

 

[old.Tohtori]

Emo?

How exactly?

 

[ford prefect]

I think their is a difference between whining and having a discussion about an issue. Although I daresay that the line gets blurred on a medium like a forum. Regardless, anyone can make change and help to influence things, they simply need to motivate themselves to do so.

Personally I tend not to talk about things that don't interest me unless they affect me personally or professionally, but those things I am interested in tend to be the things I am most active in. I work in mental health for example and so I volunteer for several mental health review panels, donate time to charities like MIND and NAS, give lectures to students and regularly give evidence at the European Court of Human Rights when mental health policy comes under review.

 

[fettoken]

You have been making all these emo threads this week

 

[old.Tohtori]

You have been making all these emo threads this week

Bull, one about moving, one about communication and this about...ironically...lazy f*ckers complaining about stuff they do nothing about

Ford that's the way i think it should go; if you are active in an area, complain away, but if you're just sitting around muttering about it, STFU.

 

[Thorwyn]

But do you do something about it Thorwyn?

Because if you don't do anything about it, the no-care society is no different, except that people wouldn't whine about things they don't do anything about.

I raise my voice, express my opinion and try to convince people to watch things from my perspective. I guess that´s already quite a lot. At any rate, it´s better than just ignoring the issue.

 

[Chosen]

But do you do something about it Thorwyn?

Because if you don't do anything about it, the no-care society is no different, except that people wouldn't whine about things they don't do anything about.

The power lies with the mass.

Even if a situation do not really "affect" you in any major way(Let's say this situation/case only annoys you, because you do not find it fair, even tho it have nothing to do with you).

If enough people only care to "discuss" about the subject, can be enough to make people with the ability to make a difference do something. Politics, rich people etc. This only to win some sort of popularity contest!(Just look at the celebrities, if a situation gets enough attention from a big population, they stand in line to help just to get publicity)

Hence, the power lies with the mass.

Found it hard to explain, but hope you understand what I meant =)

 

[old.Tohtori]

I raise my voice, express my opinion and try to convince people to watch things from my perspective. I guess that´s already quite a lot. At any rate, it´s better than just ignoring the issue.

Remember, i ask this to clarify, not judge;

If that's all one is gonna do, talk about it, and make other people talk about it, with no one actually doing about it, isn't it still the same as ignoring it? Nothing is changed afterall and there's just a lot of noise about it.

NEVERMIND Chosen kinda answered

The power lies with the mass.

Even if a situation do not really "affect" you in any major way(Let's say this situation/case only annoys you, because you do not find it fair, even tho it have nothing to do with you).

If enough people only care to "discuss" about the subject, can be enough to make people with the ability to make a difference do something. Politics, rich people etc. This only to win some sort of popularity contest!(Just look at the celebrities, if a situation gets enough attention from a big population, they stand in line to help just to get publicity)

Hence, the power lies with the mass.

Found it hard to explain, but hope you understand what I meant =)

Yeah i think i do.

Kinda like a kid in a candy store, whining and whining about getting candy, until the big daddy with the money buys that lollipop.

That could, in theory, give reason to all the whining.

 

[Chosen]

Remember, i ask this to clarify, not judge;

If that's all one is gonna do, talk about it, and make other people talk about it, with no one actually doing about it, isn't it still the same as ignoring it? Nothing is changed afterall and there's just a lot of noise about it.

I suppose my post right above answers this question.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah it was a great explanation, thanks for it. Puts that issue kind of to rest

So, what about people who complain abot other people who don't affect them?

Useless whining? Reason behind it?

Kinda like whining about stupid thing snooki does, or complaining about beckham buying a silver penis necklace?

 

[Chosen]

Yeah it was a great explanation, thanks for it. Puts that issue kind of to rest

So, what about people who complain abot other people who don't affect them?

Useless whining? Reason behind it?

Kinda like whining about stupid thing snooki does, or complaining about beckham buying a silver penis necklace?

I see the point, but I think it is just the way of human nature. Like whining about the wather(Not like it will help, just adapt to it). We just need something to release our anger out on, especially on bad days. Even though it makes no sense.

+ our race is known for sticking our nose into anything

 

[Chosen]

We can use you as a example. Why did you make this thread? Is it because people who whines about everything annoys you? Not like you can change anything at all, or that it makes any point.

Perhaps you've had a bad day, or experienced something which regards this topic

 

[megadave]

Spoiler

why should we give a fuck? they're only human beings

 

[old.Tohtori]

We can use you as a example. Why did you make this thread? Is it because people who whines about everything annoys you? Not like you can change anything at all, or that it makes any point.

Perhaps you've had a bad day, or experienced something which regards this topic

I made it to get a perspective on it really. It doesn't annoy me, unless ofcourse someone is jammering about it on and on at a bartable

But yeah, probably just the way people are, need something to do, especially those with no real problems in their life.

+ our race is known for sticking our nose into anything

Let's not bring TdCs sexlife into this

megadave; it's ok if you do, then again, it should be ok if you don't.

Irony is on the site it's posted on.

 

[Chosen]

I made it to get a perspective on it really. It doesn't annoy me, unless ofcourse someone is jammering about it on and on at a bartable

But yeah, probably just the way people are, need something to do, especially those with no real problems in their life.



Let's not bring TdCs sexlife into this

megadave; it's ok if you do, then again, it should be ok if you don't.

Irony is on the site it's posted on.

Yeah, I kinda figured that you might just be bored. And wanted something to create a discussion about! Which also might have something to do about why people whine about something they can't change, or do anything at all about.


Boredom! A great evil if you ask me. People do so much wierd things, just because they are bored.

I did not mean to bring TdC's sexlife into this, I had no idea he was like that. But thanks for the input *taken notes*

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah, boredom most likely is the ultimate answer

 

[andeh]

Because the 'you can't help it!, no one is to blame!' squadron (spearheaded by ford prefect himself) seem to believe you have to help everyone regardless of their actions or the cost of doing so.

It is about time people started taking responsibility for their own actions/circumstance, rather than looking anywhere but the mirror for excuses.

Not to mention the fact that Labour spent 13 years redefining the word fair. Make responsible decisions with regards to finance, sorry you don't qualify for xyz. Piss money away or make grossly erroneous life choices, np mate, come right in, have a seat, which benefits would you like today sir?

 

[ford prefect]

Because the 'you can't help it!, no one is to blame!' squadron (spearheaded by ford prefect himself) seem to believe you have to help everyone regardless of their actions or the cost of doing so.

Actually I believe people need to help themselves, but sometimes they need a little understanding and a helping hand along the way.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not really the topic fellas, but since i got my answers, go right ahead

*gets popcorn*

Actually, why not change the subject midflight;

Should people take more care of eachother, or should people actually take a step back and not try and save everyone?

 

[liloe]

I raise my voice, express my opinion and try to convince people to watch things from my perspective. I guess that´s already quite a lot. At any rate, it´s better than just ignoring the issue.

What Thor said. And for those who understand German:

YouTube - Deine Schuld - Die Ärzte

Basically the message is: It's not your fault, if the world is like this, but it's our fault if she remains like this.