Why do people dislike America/Americans ?

[dysfunction]

While Toms picture made me giggle, looks has nothing to do with it. It is down to them wanting to do a good job for the people.

Yes you are right in an ideal world....aaah utopia what a wonderful thing.

Smoke more drugs.

 

[ECA]

What escape says is pretty much true, Labour/Cons/Lib Dems, 95% of their policies would be the same.

Who was it who said you need a revolution once in a while?

 

[Vae]

From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.
--Thomas Jefferson--

 

[Bodhi]

Smoke more drugs.

On it.

 

[Athan]

As a side note to that post of mine about USAians and Gasoline prices, check this.

So, yes, they really are just a whiny bunch.

-Ath

 

[TdC]

check this

that guy is wierd imo

 

[Athan]

Aye, he doesn't say why he had the data available. My guess would be someone who gets to book it against expenses, possibly self-employed the entire time. It's that or he's just a micro-budgeting freak.

Kudos to him for pulling the data out and showing it in that way though.

-Ath

 

[scarloc]

I like america, they have some backbone at least :] Some are obnoxious, sure. But you get that in every country. Just the US has such a large population taht they tend to conglomerate more dangerously.

And yeh, Im probably going to live in america eventually.

 

[SawTooTH]

I dont give Americans a second thought.

 

[Collateral]

i know lots of americans. i have lots of friends over there, i studied with lots of them together. and i really wanna visit this country.
what really sucks though is the us foreign policy. it got worse during the last years.
reasons are issues like the war on iraq, former wars, ridiculous presidents in the last 2 decades, the lasting support for israel, the way many americans present themselves in public, all aspects about their environmet policy, ignoring contracts and laws of the UN, human rights, arrogant behaviour towards other countries blablabla...

especially with the war on iraq, they didn´t manage to step up a democracy in the arab region (which in itself is insane to believe that this would be ever possible), no, they turned the whole region into a mess. terrorism is sparking everywhere in the world and the trench between the western nations and the moslem world is getting deeper and deeper.
now european countries got targets of terror attacks (madrid, london), because they hopped on the train, supporting this ridiculous war.

sure, saddam wasn´t a nice person, but the country was somehow in control. now it´s a big adventure park for all those crazy fanatics, who try to fuck up life for everybody - currently with lots of success.
and why? because america started sth, which they can´t control/influence.

american patriotism made this whole thing possible, because through the media and the ignorance of the gross of the US population, they are constantly pushing patriotism to new heights. otherwise, it wouldn´t be possible to get this kind of support by its own population (and raise incredible amounts of cash).
immo, its dropping and bush has problems with the war and therefor with his overall image, cause planes keep coming home with dead american soldiers.
people realize that this war is a huge mistake. most of the world realized it before the war even started and tried to stop this war, but it was pointless, cause "america knew better".

i could write lots and lots of pages about this topic, but it would be far too much.

the question why everybody dislikes america is quite simple. it´s much more difficult to ask, why people should like america.

my 2 cents

ze german
(kinda good, not to be the most hatred nation in the world anymore^^)

 

[Wij]

especially with the war on iraq, they didn´t manage to step up a democracy in the arab region (which in itself is insane to believe that this would be ever possible)

Wow - how racist. Also Isreal has been a democracy for quite a number of years now.

 

[ECA]

Wow - how racist. Also Isreal has been a democracy for quite a number of years now.

Israel is Fascist.

 

[MYstIC G]

America's Foreign Policy = If you shit on someone elses doorstep they're too busy cleaning it up to shit on yours.

 

[Tom]

i could write lots and lots of pages about this topic, but it would be far too much.

I know that feeling. Shame as it refers to your post, and how silly it is.

 

[Wij]

Israel is Fascist.

Well that's your opinion but it doesn't mean it isn't democratic and besides, Isreal is hardly more fascist than Iran for example. You know when I was a student the right-on kids used to spend the summer in a Kibbutz. I suppose fashion changes.

 

[MYstIC G]

Well that's your opinion but it doesn't mean it isn't democratic and besides, Isreal is hardly more fascist than Iran for example. You know when I was a student the right-on kids used to spend the summer in a Kibbutz. I suppose fashion changes.

It does indeed... this is why we point at your clothes and laugh for hours!

 

[Paradroid]

Well that's your opinion but it doesn't mean it isn't democratic and besides, Isreal is hardly more fascist than Iran for example. You know when I was a student the right-on kids used to spend the summer in a Kibbutz. I suppose fashion changes.

Ah but "democracy" isn't a specific political stance, wasn't Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party elected?

 

[DaGaffer]

Ah but "democracy" isn't a specific political stance, wasn't Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party elected?

No it wasn't. Refer to earlier (much earlier) in this thread. The Nazis were never elected as a government, they were part of a coalition and then took over.

Israel is a democracy, but I don't think it helps Wij's case about the likelihood of democracy taking hold in the region; you have to remember that Israel and its institutions are pretty much a European import.

 

[Escape]

Israeli politics go from ultra-right to fascist.

I could write more, but the US would veto my post and threaten me with sanctions.

 

[Wij]

Israeli politics go from ultra-right to fascist.

I could write more, but the US would veto my post and threaten me with sanctions.

Oh of course... no, actually wait, it's not the US that hates free speech, it's the Islamofascists. I haven't seen any US citizens demanding beheadings because someone did a cartoon of George Bush or Jesus.

For fucks sake nobody thinks the US is perfect but most of the countries they have a beef with are a fuckload worse. However, people would rather ignore that because they think knocking America is totally non-conformist and cool. Well it's actually completely conformist and the norm for many people today. Get your own fucking opinions rather than some bitter old **** like Naom Chomsky's opinions.

US bashing is boring.

 

[Paradroid]

No it wasn't. Refer to earlier (much earlier) in this thread. The Nazis were never elected as a government, they were part of a coalition and then took over.
...

I didn't say the Nazis were democratically elected.

Oh of course... no, actually wait, it's not the US that hates free speech, it's the Islamofascists. I haven't seen any US citizens demanding beheadings because someone did a cartoon of George Bush or Jesus.

For fucks sake nobody thinks the US is perfect but most of the countries they have a beef with are a fuckload worse. However, people would rather ignore that because they think knocking America is totally non-conformist and cool. Well it's actually completely conformist and the norm for many people today. Get your own fucking opinions rather than some bitter old **** like Naom Chomsky's opinions.

US bashing is boring.

I think it says more about social acceptance of misinformation when you associate US bashing (in the current climate) with fashionable ideas. What the US have been doing for years around the globe isn't something which people should consider politically/socially "in" or "out" fashion-wise. It's fuckin wrong. Full stop. Blair & Bush are war criminals, pretty simple stuff really, and not much to do with fashionable ideas (unless your morals are easily bypassed with some mindless propaganda).


Ergo, I think until we see a change of US foreign policy then US bashing is totally relevant and completely warranted. It's also not limited to the US, they're just an easy visible target (due to all the crimes and such).

 

[Escape]

"Conformists" are the ones who bring up Islam/Muslims in every discussion to escape reality.


The bogeyman is coming for you...

 

[Maljonic]

America's Foreign Policy = If you shit on someone elses doorstep they're too busy cleaning it up to shit on yours.

Sometimes it's useful to do that if you think they're going to come and shit on yours first if you don't.

 

[Wij]

"Conformists" are the ones who bring up Islam/Muslims in every discussion to escape reality.


The bogeyman is coming for you...

Bollocks. I said Islamofascist, not Muslim. I know many Muslims who are decent people. The government of Iran though, for instance, are scum who opress their own people and try to sell them a fucked up version of reality. To compare the US government to a place like that or to the July the 7th bombers, or for that matter, non-Muslims like Kim Kong Il or the Real IRA and so forth is just childish. As I said, most people, myself included don't agree with everything the US does but the US are not the worst nation in the world by a long shot.

Don't try to portray people as Daily Mail readers just because they happen to mention that there are some scum out there who do vile things in the supposed name of Islam. That's just a cheap shot.

 

[DaGaffer]

I didn't say the Nazis were democratically elected.

What the fuck are you talking about? You said:

Ah but "democracy" isn't a specific political stance, wasn't Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party elected?

The NSDAP and the Nazis were the same thing.

As for whether the US, Bush and Blair are guilty of war crimes, yep, probably. The fact that we can say so is of course one of the advantages of living in the West. Although for how much longer, who can say, as we slide towards a police state through apathy.

 

[MYstIC G]

Sometimes it's useful to do that if you think they're going to come and shit on yours first if you don't.

I wasn't aiming for a discussion on the rights and wrongs and who started what for what reason mate, that's just their policy in simple. Justification for an action can always be created after the action has been taken.

 

[Huntingtons]

for me, US is a great country, cultural. but historically and politically they're not my biggest idol. On the other hand tho, they only act out of finacial interest which in some ways eases up the religious tensions some might have, and it makes it alot easier to take a stand. nope soz, can't help you mow your lawn, no benefit for me. Soz can't save your country from Saddam, no benefit for us... Oh wait, oil - we're there in a jiffy, chap!

I dont hate US, i dislike many of their recent and forgotten actions but their cultural influence is on so many levels worthy of our respect.

 

[Escape]

The government of Iran though, for instance, are scum who opress their own people and try to sell them a fucked up version of reality.

I can empathise with the Iranians, our PM is pretty delusional too.
Iran had a democratic government, until the US imposed their own puppet dictator... just as they inflicted Saddam upon Iraq.

To compare the US government to a place like that or to the July the 7th bombers, or for that matter, non-Muslims like Kim Kong Il or the Real IRA and so forth is just childish.

I'm not comparing the two, the 7/7 bombers aren't even in the same league as the US. They only killed 54 civilians - the US gets through that before breakfast.

And America is not so big on freedom of expression either, as Norway
discovered earlier this year:

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice threatened Norway with "serious political consequences" after Finance Minister and Socialist Left Party leader Kristin Halvorsen admitted to supporting a boycott of Israeli goods.

The reaction was reportedly given to the Norwegian embassy in Washington DC, and it was made clear that the statements came from the top level of the US State Department, newspaper VG reports.

Norway's Minister of Foreign Affairs, Jonas Gahr Støre, responded immediately with written explanations to both Israel and the USA, clarifying the government's stance, while Halvorsen distanced her party's policy from that of the government's.

Keep that nonsense about human rights, free speech and democracy to your own private groups where propoganda works. The world is a pretty messed up and events like 7/7 are not the worst of it.

But we can hold 2 minute silences because they really make a difference.

 

[Wij]

I can't be arsed. You're talking cock.

 

[Catsby]

Catsby loves America, and Amercians, for they bring us labour saving products such as:

and

Catsby no longer skips brekfast because he is too lazy to cook for himself, and dinner is a far faster ordeal than before!