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we go slash then ^^
we go slash then ^^
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jox
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!!!
Hm, the thing that disturbs me is that, when a decent infil lands dragonfang and I aint got purge up, the fight is already over, and that is plain boring. It shouldnt be like that.
More tragic is that; during my last fights against Remi I have purged but still died. Ok, he is one rr higher and probably have a bit better equipment but I have the inherent armor-bonus and +10% for relics(and yes, we have similar specs). So he does not only out-damage me completely, he also have access to this insta-win-button.
Talk about f u b a r.
Some people says; whats the problem? df has always been there, but when laxe got nerfed two things happend;
1: We shadowblades lost our only edge we had against infils.
2: The amount of sbs dropped, the amount of infils raised.
I can only see two reasons for Mythic to nerf like they do;
1: Population-control
2: Nerfs makes many people reroll, in other words; spending more time with the game which means more money for Mythic.
But then, on the other hand, it feels more likely that people get bored and leaves the game when their favorite-chars get nerfed into the ground.
But then again, we have been over this shit thousand times, and it is like it is, no more no less.
Face it, infils will get nerfed, sooner or later.
Hm, the thing that disturbs me is that, when a decent infil lands dragonfang and I aint got purge up, the fight is already over, and that is plain boring. It shouldnt be like that.
More tragic is that; during my last fights against Remi I have purged but still died. Ok, he is one rr higher and probably have a bit better equipment but I have the inherent armor-bonus and +10% for relics(and yes, we have similar specs). So he does not only out-damage me completely, he also have access to this insta-win-button.
Talk about f u b a r.
Some people says; whats the problem? df has always been there, but when laxe got nerfed two things happend;
1: We shadowblades lost our only edge we had against infils.
2: The amount of sbs dropped, the amount of infils raised.
I can only see two reasons for Mythic to nerf like they do;
1: Population-control
2: Nerfs makes many people reroll, in other words; spending more time with the game which means more money for Mythic.
But then, on the other hand, it feels more likely that people get bored and leaves the game when their favorite-chars get nerfed into the ground.
But then again, we have been over this shit thousand times, and it is like it is, no more no less.
Face it, infils will get nerfed, sooner or later.
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azshara
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got no prob with that.
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Aybabtu
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Dragon Fang is most likely the only style in thrust thats is worth something, the rest an infil uses is pure CS styles, with the odd Tranq ---> Wyvern user.
lowering the stun is fine by me, then you'll have Diamond back at lvl 25 which is almost as nice as Dragon fang tho the infil would have to use 950 spec points more than the NS to get that stun. (that is from 25 spec to 50, ofc infils wouldn stop at 25).
Giving 2.2 spec and either infils will lose either DF and become a NS without DD's or a SB without 2H PA, or Simply lose DW spec and get 50 thrust - 39 CS - 34 stealth/envenom - which is closest to current infil cookie cutter spec.
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froler-mid
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Originally posted by Whisperess
How stupid are you, really?
blablablablabla
Can't wait to see you cry ( or possibly quit ) when infils get hit with the nerfbat, it's coming your way - and you know it.
honestly, i dont see a nerfbat inc. (i see sbs getting thrust line tho..)
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azshara
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only style shades use in pierce is DB.
no shade stop at 25..... so why would infs....
no, you'd sacrifice something for a 9 sec stun. IE. DW in this chase.
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froler-mid
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Re: !!!
we have had 2 fights the last week. 1 were u had purge up, and 1 were u didnt.(only been mercfil for 1 weekish..)
when u purged it was VERY close i died.(i purged for dmg and used my dmg add), in other words i was lucky ;ddd
we have had 2 fights the last week. 1 were u had purge up, and 1 were u didnt.(only been mercfil for 1 weekish..)
when u purged it was VERY close i died.(i purged for dmg and used my dmg add), in other words i was lucky ;ddd
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Re: Re: !!!
no u are just overpowered
no u are just overpowered
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Aybabtu
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But you get it at 25 not 50.
Didn't say they would, only saying that infils would have to use 950 points more to get stun and if that stun. NS's goes 44 pierce right? that means the infil would use 285 points more to get the stun, those points could be used on better DW stealth or envenom.
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froler-mid
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but infils get more spec pts...soo it kinda even out...
BUT NS's get UBAR RA's.....NERF EM IMO
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azshara
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its 5 sec at lv25 with med to hit, vs a 9sec stun at 50 with high to hit...
and atm, u do not sacrifice anything for it.
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froler-mid
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u dont really sacrifice anything for your stun either? ;d
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azshara
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cos its under my spec of lv.. but infs can spec 50 thrust without any penalty cos of 2.5x spec. i cant.
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Aybabtu
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Compareing a lvl 25 style to a lvl 50 isn't right.
What does a NS sacrifices then? so you can't spec 50 weapon but only 44, what else?
Remember i made that comparesen IF they lowered DF stun!
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Carlos Bananos
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his stun isn't a guarenteed win
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azshara
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you stun last almost twice as long.... 5sec is like 2 attack rounds...
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Aybabtu
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2 attack rounds for a fully buffed NS with haste buff? G I M P
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azshara
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3.6spd/3.0spd
land db, hammy, hammy and stun over..
oh and red haste btw.. 260qui.
land db, hammy, hammy and stun over..
oh and red haste btw.. 260qui.
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Aybabtu
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Infils gets 1 attack more, those extra 150-180 dmg really is a bitch
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azshara
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not rly one more attack round...Originally posted by Aybabtu
Infils gets 1 attack more, those extra 150-180 dmg really is a bitch
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froler-mid
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just press AP.
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jox
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Another shipload of whine...
So what is the bottom-line? That I have 50% chance to survive a encounter with you...IF I have purge up(not easy when every single stealth-class in Albion delivers 9 sec stun at will) AND we still have +10% for Relics?
What do you think would happen if the situation was turned around? say that you had +10% for relics.
lol
As you said on mirc Remi;
Only real-life-retards thinks that savages dont need a nerf.
Well, I would like to say the sam thing about infiltrators.
So what is the bottom-line? That I have 50% chance to survive a encounter with you...IF I have purge up(not easy when every single stealth-class in Albion delivers 9 sec stun at will) AND we still have +10% for Relics?
What do you think would happen if the situation was turned around? say that you had +10% for relics.
lol
As you said on mirc Remi;
Only real-life-retards thinks that savages dont need a nerf.
Well, I would like to say the sam thing about infiltrators.
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saltymcpepper
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i have 270 quick and roughly 18% haste, and i can land a db, then another db, then hamstring-->leaper combo.
if you didnt realise, thats 2 attacks
if you didnt realise, thats 2 attacks
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Aybabtu
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3.5/2.9spd 260quick and no haste........
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If you removed savagery, savages would still have quad hits
Back on topic it sounds like infil is a bit strong atm, but with the new style review coming up who knows what will happen, thrust for sb's sounds a nice idea, and lowering infil's to 2.2 spec points as well.
Just becuase a thane has some stupid ranged damage spell that barely does any damage they don't get determination, thats stupid imo, same goes for friar, reaver, valewalker. Well this thread aint about determination so i will stop there, but it definately needs a review
Back on topic it sounds like infil is a bit strong atm, but with the new style review coming up who knows what will happen, thrust for sb's sounds a nice idea, and lowering infil's to 2.2 spec points as well.
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froler-mid
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Re: Another shipload of whine...
sounds like balance too me...(?) ;d
sounds like balance too me...(?) ;d
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Whisperess
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Crush would be more fun imo.
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azshara
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no thx.Originally posted by Whisperess
Crush would be more fun imo.
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Give SB troll with 5.8spd hammul in 1.64.. kthx
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imo
imo la was a good counter vs a thrust inf. In the old days my 2h'd axe sb, couldent compete with most of the thrust infils by default. Without the "realm abilitys" being introduced yet, fights consisted of
PA-->CD chain evaded-->DF'd--> go make cup of tea --> dead
But i kinda accepted that i couldent take the likes of brommix or ninjastyles guessing i was better suited to the casters.
the access too 2 weapons for a str/con debuff + poison + 2.5 spec points + 9 sec stun gave even the most unskillfull inf a default advantage. There was and even now still no limit to the inf's target range tank or caster the infil could have a good chance of taking them.
and even now wittor didnt even bother Pa'ing my RR3 2h'd troll hammer sav fotm, just melee'd me to death after the DF, I was buffed but missing sum.
The infil needs a fix as does the savage
imo la was a good counter vs a thrust inf. In the old days my 2h'd axe sb, couldent compete with most of the thrust infils by default. Without the "realm abilitys" being introduced yet, fights consisted of
PA-->CD chain evaded-->DF'd--> go make cup of tea --> dead
But i kinda accepted that i couldent take the likes of brommix or ninjastyles guessing i was better suited to the casters.
the access too 2 weapons for a str/con debuff + poison + 2.5 spec points + 9 sec stun gave even the most unskillfull inf a default advantage. There was and even now still no limit to the inf's target range tank or caster the infil could have a good chance of taking them.
and even now wittor didnt even bother Pa'ing my RR3 2h'd troll hammer sav fotm, just melee'd me to death after the DF, I was buffed but missing sum.
The infil needs a fix as does the savage