Where is Midgard on Prydwen going ?

Zebolt

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Derric said:
Jajaja, mids got nothing good, all totally suck and can't try do anything in any way, so just give up and stop whining. :(
Indeed :(
 

Bhalage

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mhael said:
That was however not what I said and not what you said earlier either.



What you said was that a 26s, 150 radius, 1500 (1650) range, 10m reuse timer insta ae mezz and a 9s, 150 radius, 1500 (1650) range, 10m reuse timer insta ae stun (because that is what a healer will have) was equal to a 350/400 radius, 1875 (2062) range 1.2s castable ae mezz.

I said that I am rather hit by ~12s mezz and ~4s stun that gave me cc immunity than a ~40s mezz that could be used to keep interrupting me at a range that is 400+ units more than my own.


the thing u forget is that the sorc must be stationary while u can run at spd6&cast.
but i still think thing argue over mezzes is pointless ><
the grass is always greener on the other side.
must live with it
 

Tesla Monkor

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Bubble said:
You wouldn't want to see a sorc with a Stun :) (/em dreams of a 11 second Single target stun)
My mez range is 2016 :)

Actually, you can mezz people up to 2416 units away from your location. Boltrange + radius of your AE. (Assuming you target someone at maximum range with others closeby.)

But that's a technicality. ;)
 

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I don't know the exact reasons Mid is doing badly on every server, its most likely slightly different for each server. Arguing about individual class abilities really just skirts the real issue, no matter what the reason or combination of reasons Mid is losing players fast. Its not just a case of Mids not going out to RvR, so all the QQ posters well...you've obviously missed the point. Entire Mid guilds have / are falling apart at the seams, most of those that are left will most likely take another huge hit in member numbers when WoW EU launches. So if your saying its a good thing that mid are underdog for once, well I really wonder if you'll be saying the same thing in 3-4 months time.
 

Bhalage

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yes its different on the servers, on excal all the uberleet hibies left, here, mid ppl seems to cant accept the changes NF brought.
im still shocked how pryd/hib manages with their uberlow population, they are doing extremely fine. /vic
 

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mhael said:
What you said was that a 26s, 150 radius, 1500 (1650) range, 10m reuse timer insta ae mezz and a 9s, 150 radius, 1500 (1650) range, 10m reuse timer insta ae stun (because that is what a healer will have) was equal to a 350/400 radius, 1875 (2062) range 1.2s castable ae mezz.

I said that I am rather hit by ~12s mezz and ~4s stun that gave me cc immunity than a ~40s mezz that could be used to keep interrupting me at a range that is 400+ units more than my own.

Okay lets go over what i said

First thing i said-
I'll trade my Crappy 3 second cast time Quickcast for your Insta AoE Lul?

Yes Quickcast is a piece of shit, Insta Lull is what seperates (good)Bards from Sorcs and Healers.

Second thing i said-
We make up for having the best Cast mez by not having any insta Crowd control.

Its a fact
Sorcerers were the worst Crowd control class in the game, Cloth armour and all, so Mythic boosted there mez abilitys. Its as simple as that, quote whatever facts about the spells you like, we were boosted because Bards and Healers were MUCH better crowd control class's.

Its also a fact that on a level battlefield a insta mez hits before a sorc bolt mez.(Bard/healer traveling at MK6 towards the stationary sorc)
We tested
Sorc lost every time
 

Azathrim

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Yes, Hibs are doing fine. A major reason is their apparent dedication and organisation. Another reason is that Hibs have a good class for keep fights: Animists

Albs have sorcs and theurgists.

Mids have ...

We can just hope that the Warlocks will change things come Catacombs. If it's not too late.
 

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Bubble said:
Its also a fact that on a level battlefield a insta mez hits before a sorc bolt mez.(Bard/healer traveling at MK6 towards the stationary sorc)
We tested
Sorc lost every time
All bard needs to do is his insta lul and can prolly still win when running speedwarped :p
 

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bigchief said:
All bard needs to do is his insta lul and can prolly still win when running speedwarped :p

true :p
Redb was a master at this
 

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Bhalage said:
the thing u forget is that the sorc must be stationary while u can run at spd6&cast.
but i still think thing argue over mezzes is pointless ><
the grass is always greener on the other side.
must live with it

na hagyad már lol, hány skald kap csapatot mostanában? loggold be healered azt szólj ha sikerül lemezzelned egy nem newb sorcot :p

sorry for lang :O
 

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Vermillon said:
4. I'm doing exaclty what you mids done for all this time to others when a Hib/Alb tried to start a convarsation about such things. For example, check out Remi's single line retared replys to everyone. The man never said anything more than 3 words.

If i read it right - u try to be new retard now ?
 

mhael

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Bubble said:
Okay lets go over what i said

[1]
First thing i said-
I'll trade my Crappy 3 second cast time Quickcast for your Insta AoE Lul?

Yes Quickcast is a piece of shit, Insta Lull is what seperates (good)Bards from Sorcs and Healers.

[2]
Second thing i said-
We make up for having the best Cast mez by not having any insta Crowd control.

Its a fact
Sorcerers were the worst Crowd control class in the game, Cloth armour and all, so Mythic boosted there mez abilitys. Its as simple as that, quote whatever facts about the spells you like, we were boosted because Bards and Healers were MUCH better crowd control class's.

[3]
Its also a fact that on a level battlefield a insta mez hits before a sorc bolt mez.(Bard/healer traveling at MK6 towards the stationary sorc)
We tested
Sorc lost every time

[1]
I have not said anything about insta lul, 11 single target stun or quickcast. I even made a note about "even without qc" as I didn't want it in the discussion. I should ofcourse have quoted only the part of your post that I actually answered, but I was lazy and thought that actually not saying anything about a thing would be enough. ;)

[2]
Eh. I don't care what sorcs used to be. Thanes were good in beta, but that doesn't make my thane a killing machine now. Gheez again .. where have I said that sorc wasn't the worst CCer? I am talking about how the game is today.

[3]
So if the fights always took place with two groups (or atleast the one with the healer) moving at mach6 straight towards eachother on an open field then the healer would be able to use his insta before the sorc could cast his spell. That would be quite even then wouldn't it? The healer could miss the sorc with the mighty 150 radius on his mezz or the group could have lets say two sorcs and then the albs would have most of the mids mezzed. The healers insta mezz could have been used.. I'd say it was quite even. Nothing big to complain about atleast.

Now. If you are playing the same game as me (Dark age of camelot) and RvR in the New Frontiers you should have noticed that not all situations you find yourself in is that one mentioned above. Lets take some other examples. If the healer stands still then the sorc win. If the healer is in a keep the sorc wins. If the healer is outside a keep and the sorc inside the sorc wins. If a healer is inside a tower the sorc wins. If the healer is outside a tower the sorc wins. You see where I am going?

What I am trying to say (I'll even give you an example from the of since you seem to like that time:)) is that when looking at how the game is today then in my opinion sorc mezz advantage over healer/bard is the same as healer/bard advantage over sorc mezz was when sorc mezz was 1500 range.
 

Bhalage

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Dorin said:
na hagyad már lol, hány skald kap csapatot mostanában? loggold be healered azt szólj ha sikerül lemezzelned egy nem newb sorcot :p

sorry for lang :O

lol m8 _all_ of the so called skilled uberleet grps go _with _ skald, not my fault your grp didnt ;<
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pls honestly tell me how many times were your grp mezzed/how many times did Rulk win mezz? + and if u are mezzed how long will u stay mezzed with 3-4-5 (ok no more pbaoe sms, lets just say 3) demezzers? 2sec max eh?

pls

i played with pachealers who won all mezzes vs full toa sorcs, but must have been pureluck ><

sorry but i still think the chances are pretty even ><

ok it may be uber sucky if i played a hib without GP but when i played mid i never really cared if sorc won mezz. theur petspam 100times worse

szerintem.
 

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What the fuck are you going on about, i'll try again in FH language /sigh thats the problem with low Int Class's.

1- The lul bit, I wasn't fucking talking to you or even to your realm/class. If your a healer and you don't understand want an advantage insta lul is maybe you should go back to playing diablo.

2- I thought i explained why Sorcs got the bolt range mez very well. It appears you didn't read my post even tho you quoted it. you didn't say sorc's were the worse CC in the game, I DID, and if you read the post (a few times maybe) you would know i said WERE, in other words WAS (BUT NOT ANYMORE!)

3- Again i posted a pure fact that we tested, just to see who could get the mez off first in a level battlefield, i'm not talking about the fact that theres a 100% change that the mez was first nulled by the CB and then purged and then your sorry mid group was reaver bombed? Just a 1 v 1 test (well with skald speed :p)

I got a brilliant idea! How about we stop posting about our class's there seems to be a intellect and language barrier we can't seem to break :(
 

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mhael said:
Now. If you are playing the same game as me (Dark age of camelot) and RvR in the New Frontiers you should have noticed that not all situations you find yourself in is that one mentioned above. Lets take some other examples. If the healer stands still then the sorc win. If the healer is in a keep the sorc wins. If the healer is outside a keep and the sorc inside the sorc wins. If a healer is inside a tower the sorc wins. If the healer is outside a tower the sorc wins. You see where I am going?

why the healer looking for targets in keep battles? just spam spread heal at a safe place imo.
runemaster, hunters,sm, bd ( hello insta interupt for 1500 range ? ) ..etc are looking for fight in keep battles.
In keep battles i never try mez becouse the anoying javelin spam ( hello Zeena ) is always get them out and gave them mez imuniti.BUT i can use my DD in keep battles wich is 1500 range. so i cant see whats the different.
when mids atacking maybe? turn around hug the walls and you have everybody in range.with this little trick you can avoid the mez and the archer class to.i never face directly to the keep i always coming from side.i think all class have this abilty if they start thinking a bit.
 

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Steveh can you respec your armsman 50 +20 Xbow and make a RvR movie showing how good snapshot (RR5 ability) is?
 

Steveh

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Joor said:
Prydwen is all " hey m8s.. lets camp a keep and wait til someone is inc"
^^ tis our "random mid grp" 1 week ago

we are trying to roam always like Legacy,TDD,Sometimes EC /as group Stigmata ,Rising Force ,Public Enemy ,Lumpanic .just a few RvR guild from Prydwen.

only think what i agree is that is happen always at night. 6-12 cet

only the BO+randoms high rr-s roaming enough now from mid group.and i think they are the only group who have the best chance to kill this groups.

but hey.they are mids !!!!

come back and play and make new group setups for NF :cheers:
 

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Bubble said:
Steveh can you respec your armsman 50 +20 Xbow and make a RvR movie showing how good snapshot (RR5 ability) is?

nah u dont want Stev to delete his arms :D his arms is already a hingebot so :p
 

Steveh

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Bubble said:
Steveh can you respec your armsman 50 +20 Xbow and make a RvR movie showing how good snapshot (RR5 ability) is?

oh yes .i never tryed it .the time is near :)

RA spec is - Aug dex 5
- MoPain 5
- Lifter 5 ( and i can transport about zillion bolts )

omg.how they nerfed the armsman....... but well i dont cry .i rolled a non fotm sorc :)
 

Bubble

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i have an interesting thoery that a RR10 X bow spec armsman might kick ass (Imagen strafing in between the battlements shooting people for 500+ :p)
 

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20:00 cet, Tuesday..

/who all : 262

/who 50 : 155

/who upp : 27

/who gate : 3

/who jamt : 44

/who ygg : 16

/who gorge : 0

/who breif : 0

/who emain : 1

/who collo : 1

/who sauva : 0

/who penni : 0

/who snow : 0

/who hadri : 1


I have no alb or hib chars so I can't do any /who's in the other realms, but don't find this very impressive whit more than 1000 ppl's online on prywd right now..
 

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