warlockzerg ruined all soloing/duoing?

[Dawn]

a sorc cant kill 1 tank that knows how to walkthrough, and you are comparing a class to a classes ml line, and realm abilities, wtf are you talking about..

 

[majik]

a sorc cant kill 1 tank that knows how to walkthrough, and you are comparing a class to a classes ml line, and realm abilities, wtf are you talking about..

The only way to compare two classes fairly is their OPTIMAL utility.

And if you use SoI and theres a ml9 templar on "1 tank that knows how to use walkthrough" then that tank is dead, so I ask you the same question: "wtf are you talking about..?"

 

[Vaas Harkonnen]

wtf are you talking about..

daoc and stuff....i think, hmmmmmmm?

hmmmmm

 

[Tilda]

Ok aimstar can kill you+xandro. Let me say wow, a runemaster could most likely do the same.

A sorc with moc3, ml9 templar and SoI can solo around 2-3 good tanks, fully toa'd and decent rr's.

Insta kill is overpowered and so is being hit for 10 damage by pure melee classes, so that is why I can compare them, because however much you dislike the fact, sorcerors are overpowered. 1.75 is the patch where Warlocks get nerfed. Where is the patch the sorcerors get nerfed?

1) I doubt it, a RM would likley get interupted, a warlock cannot be interupted.
2) As dire says, you can't compare a ML line and realm abilities with a warlock who can kill 2-3 good tanks without any ToA, ML's and RR's.

3) Instakill is a warlocks base ability, whereas SoI is a realm rank 5 ability.
I wont post about the buggy Warlock RR5 as it'll only make them more overpowered with even more fotmnubs rolling them, but suffice to say, its more overpowered in its current buggy form, than SoI.

 

[majik]

3) Instakill is a warlocks base ability, whereas SoI is a realm rank 5 ability.
I wont post about the buggy Warlock RR5 as it'll only make them more overpowered with even more fotmnubs rolling them, but suffice to say, its more overpowered in its current buggy form, than SoI.

Do you have to be able to read to be a moderator because I've said twice already that I know WARLOCKS ARE OVERPOWERED, so why you keep mentioning this to me I have no idea.

And if I'm "not allowed" to compare the mls and ra's of a class with other classes, then I suppose grapple isn't overpowered, or lame, since I'm not allowed to discuss it. Make your mind up, when albs want to whine about grapple it is fine to discuss ml lines but when they want to defend the sorceror class it's not fair to compare ml lines? Bias is fun.

 

[Dawn]

majii you are full of crap. ok a sorc can kill a tank when he has soi ml9 and moc up. a fucking warlock can just kill it. and this thread is about warlocks and you did the comparison to sorcs.

 

[majik]

majii you are full of crap. ok a sorc can kill a tank when he has soi ml9 and moc up. a fucking warlock can just kill it. and this thread is about warlocks and you did the comparison to sorcs.

How kind of you to make a reply saying exactly the same things I just wrote in. Did you even read the bit where I typed "Warlocks are nerfed in 1.75 whereas sorcerors aren't"? No because after then everything will be ok when you can get back to farming every char in the game

 

[Dawn]

whatever

 

[majik]

whatever

It's ok I feel for you. Trying to exclaim that sorcerors aren't overpowered is a lot of work to ask from anyone.

 

[Dawn]

about sorc solo ok its very strong

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[Calo]

majii you are full of crap. ok a sorc can kill a tank when he has soi ml9 and moc up. a fucking warlock can just kill it. and this thread is about warlocks and you did the comparison to sorcs.

And the fun part is, if albs would have had warlocks ... tada yes rvr would be full with them.
So yes warlocks are OP
No warlocks can't insta kill 2 ppl.

What is the point of this thread? Will warlocks be nerfed? -> yes
Why we play them? why do u play sorc? why does xxxx play thane? all the same reason.

 

[Tilda]

Do you have to be able to read to be a moderator because I've said twice already that I know WARLOCKS ARE OVERPOWERED, so why you keep mentioning this to me I have no idea.

And if I'm "not allowed" to compare the mls and ra's of a class with other classes, then I suppose grapple isn't overpowered, or lame, since I'm not allowed to discuss it. Make your mind up, when albs want to whine about grapple it is fine to discuss ml lines but when they want to defend the sorceror class it's not fair to compare ml lines? Bias is fun.

The only way to compare two classes fairly is their OPTIMAL utility.

Your comparing a sorc with SoI, ML9 and MoC3, to a warlock who can insta kill with no toa, no ML's and no RA's.
So, we compare the classes with an equal amount of ML's etc done.

Warlock with no toa, no ML's, no RR5 and no moc3 = still overpowered, can insta-kill anything.

Sorc with no toa, no ML's, no RR5 and no moc3 = not overpowered, can't kill "groups of 3-4 toa'ed tanks" as you claim, nor can it even kill a high RRmerc, a high RR wiz and a lower rr arms.
From this we conclude that it is the MLs, the RR5 ability and the toa which gives the sorc its overpoweredness, the sorc in itself is not overpowered.

Its fine to do what you want, but you have to do it equally. If you insist on a sorc having ML9, RR5+, Moc3 and a templar (pretty rare as yellow con)
then you should also use a ML9, RR5+ MoC3 warlock.

As you said (although later contradicted), you should compare classes with an equal amount of RR's, ML's, ToA stuff. Thus it is wrong to compare a sorc who's spent ages getting RR5, ML9 and fully toa'ed, to a warlock who can only insta-kill people without all that stuff.

I would expect a sorc and and a warlock to do well in RvR when fulled toa'ed, ML'ed and high RR. Thats the way it should be, however its wrong to compare a malmovatken warlock who has a /play of under 2 days with a sorc thats probably spent upwards of 10 days /play to get all his toys.
A sorc whos done his ML's and toa should and is a force to be reconed with. However, so should a warlock, rm or whatever other class you choose.

 

[majik]

Sorc solo isn't "strong" or "very strong", it's instawin and there are no plans to nerf it.

 

[Dawn]

calo im pretty sure noaim and the rest of the warlocks didnt roll a warlock for the same reason i rolled sorc, and yes, warlock can instakill 2 people

 

[majik]

Your comparing a sorc with SoI, ML9 and MoC3, to a warlock who can insta kill with no toa, no ML's and no RA's.
So, we compare the classes with an equal amount of ML's etc done.

I am comparing them of the same rr and ml. The point that I haven't mentioned anything more than the chambers of a warlock is because they are simply not needed to make that class godlike. The warlock is far more overpowered than the sorceror and this is due to design decisions which are being toned down in patch 1.75.

The cauldron ra of a warlock at rr5 is vastly more overpowered than SoI, and that really is a hard feat to achieve, but that is NOT because it was designed that way. Errors in design/implementation made the ra buggy, and poor design decisions for warlock damage made it overpowered. These are being corrected in patch 1.75, please reply with the patch where ml9 ability and SoI are being toned down.

 

[Dawn]

Sorc solo isn't "strong" or "very strong", it's instawin and there are no plans to nerf it.

no its not instant win is wining within an instant as a warlock can very easily do, killing with sorc includes playing skillfully at least vs good players. now let me give you another hint, sorcerers arent the only convokers in the game now are they, sms for example can kill tanks easier than sorcs etc.

plus i cba talking about non stealth solo clases i play this game in a fg basis and if you want i can talk about the impact of mls in the fg scene like 3x sojouner in mid fg etc.

alltho i know from personal expirience that well played sorc is a very strong class, the only strong class in albion

 

[Tilda]

So this would be where I bring in the fact a warlock can chamber 2x pbaoes 1 spread heal, and then use their [irony]highlyoverpowered[/irony] insta banelord pbaoe's along with a insta spread heal, and then follow them up with their own chambered pbaoes?

please reply with the patch where the banelord pbaoe's are removed from a class that can insta heal itself please

 

[Tilda]

oh...wait...

 

[majik]

i play this game in a fg basis and if you want i can talk about the impact of mls in the fg scene like 3x sojouner in mid fg etc.

2 groups at the moment run fg that maybe uses warlocks.

Groove and Nolby Pride.

Groove don't run that often if I am correct in thinking that and most of the time it's without a Warlock, however correct me if I am wrong and Nolby Pride are all low rr and I dont even think they have started running as a fg again yet.

The warlock class is overpowered solo and has a minimal effect in fg rvr, kesa could almost outdamage a warlock tbh xd. Sorcerors and warlocks aren't overpowered in fg rvr, so less talking out of context.

If you don't solo on your sorc, then don't come here telling me how it isn't overpowered. After all I play against rr5+ ml9+ sorcs with templars and warlocks, you only play against warlocks if I am correct.

 

[majik]

So this would be where I bring in the fact a warlock can chamber 2x pbaoes 1 spread heal, and then use their [irony]highlyoverpowered[/irony] insta banelord pbaoe's along with a insta spread heal, and then follow them up with their own chambered pbaoes?

please reply with the patch where the banelord pbaoe's are removed from a class that can insta heal itself please

So even when warlocks do less damage than a decent dark spiritmaster, and then have a vulnerable stage after they have soaked up someone's DI because they have banelord they're still gunna be overpowered? I think not.

[irony]Oh and while we're discussing banelord, how many BL tanks you running in ure gg atm? 3 or 4?[/irony]

 

[noaim]

To the albs whining about warlocks being fucked up and mids being lame for rolling them, I would like to remind you about necromancers and LoS-issues. How long after SI release were your necro nuking people through walls, safe from any damage, with no chance of dying Tilda?

"Its not in CoC so its legal"
"You would do the same if you could"

This discussion has already been made etc.

 

[Tilda]

Aimstar im quite prepared to accept that people will roll warlocks and have some fun with them, its exactly the same as necros (which mids QQ'ed majorly about)

My main issue is with majii comparing a sorc with ML's, toa, and rr5, to a warlock with none of the above and concluding both are overpowered.

 

[majik]

My main issue is with majii comparing a sorc with ML's, toa, and rr5, to a warlock with none of the above and concluding both are overpowered.

Tilda, I am not biased. I can only compare what I know about and I know that warlocks don't need ml's and rr abilities to be extremely overpowered, because they are that without.

And please dont tell me you believe sorcs are "balanced" when they are solo. I don't think my sides could bear the tension when I burst out laughing.

 

[noaim]

Aimstar im quite prepared to accept that people will roll warlocks and have some fun with them, its exactly the same as necros (which mids QQ'ed majorly about)

My main issue is with majii comparing a sorc with ML's, toa, and rr5, to a warlock with none of the above and concluding both are overpowered.

Well, you have to take all things into consideration when you judge a class. Maybe a sorc needs more stuff and need to spend more time to be overpowered, but I dont find it very relevant. Would you think warlocks are ok, if they got the uninterruptable primer at rr5 and the chambers at ml9 instead of from speccing?

 

[Palemos]

aimstar who is the only so far fully toaed and strong warlock

you obviously dont know much

 

[Dawn]

aimstar... if they had mocthing @ rr5 on 15min timer and chambers was an ml9 ability that all convokers could use i wouldnt give a fuck.

 

[majik]

aimstar... if they had mocthing @ rr5 on 15min timer and chambers was an ml9 ability that all convokers could use i wouldnt give a fuck.

Lol all convokers with chambered spells? Ever thought of applying for a job at mythic design department?

 

[Platin]

Lol all convokers with chambered spells? Ever thought of applying for a job at mythic design department?

Yeah, cus then it would be OP

 

[Dawn]

Lol all convokers with chambered spells? Ever thought of applying for a job at mythic design department?

was just a stupid comparison, but you couldnt have thought it was one right?
aimstar said about chambers being in ml line so cut the crap

 

[majik]

Yeah, cus then it would be OP

Yes because other casters would have chambers and good damage w/o chambers whereas warlocks don't. Don't enter a dicussion when you don't know wtf you are talking about.