News War with Russia

[Gwadien]

No, he knows everyone will do fuck all, and then he will do more. He is trolling.

Shooting a couple down will nip it in the bud, escorting them out, and then them just doing it over and over will make it the norm, a strategic problem for NATO.

All we need to say is "oops, we thought they were drones lol" A bit of sabre-rattling will follow, a few threats, then nothing.

I disagree. That gives Putin the chance to shift the blame (which he's going to do anyway but why give him ammo).

I really don't see the issue so long as reactions are good.

It's not like the start of ww3 will be planes flying into each other's airspaces. It will be like when Iran and Israel had their little exchange but on an infinitely bigger scale.

 

[Raven]

I disagree. That gives Putin the chance to shift the blame (which he's going to do anyway but why give him ammo).

I really don't see the issue so long as reactions are good.

It's not like the start of ww3 will be planes flying into each other's airspaces. It will be like when Iran and Israel had their little exchange but on an infinitely bigger scale.

No it won't, nobody, even the Russians want a nuclear wasteland, what would be the point?

Russia is nowhere near ready for an open conflict with NATO, even without America (who will likely leave NATO in the next year or so) They have thoroughly embarrassed themselves, and all the chumming up to China means nothing, China don't give a fuck about Russia, but I imagine they are enjoying the distraction.

Trump will negotiate a deal that heavily favours Russia.
Trump will pull out of NATO
Trump will not bother with another election
Putin will wait a few years, build up strength.
China will do what they like in Asia.
Then we "might" have WW3.

Edit, fuck it, if humanity is going to survive, we need a hard reset, I would rather we got that over and done with, before we have space weapons and even more ridiculous planet killing weapons. We are at a certain point in the Drake equation.

 

[Scouse]

I mean, he'll just stop selling us oil.

Remember that? That we're still buying oil off him?

Trump said he'd do more, but Europe needs to stop buying oil off Russia before he'll do it. Which I think is a fair shout.

 

[Scouse]

Oh btw. It doesn't matter if we get to space weapons. The nukes are enough.

I mean, if you think it's war that's gonna kill us.

 

[Raven]

Oh btw. It doesn't matter if we get to space weapons. The nukes are enough.

I mean, if you think it's war that's gonna kill us.

That's why I separate WW3 from annihilation, nobody, even the shaved bollock, wants Armageddon.

 

[Scouse]

That's why I separate WW3 from annihilation, nobody, even the saved bollock, wants Armageddon.

You seem to be labouring under the impression that the human race is, in general, sane.

I think sanity is a very rare thing. I include myself in that. I think we're all absolutely batshit.

 

[Raven]

You seem to be labouring under the impression that the human race is, in general, sane.

I think sanity is a very rare thing. I include myself in that. I think we're all absolutely batshit.

Oh, we are fucked, on our current trajectory. But Putin wants power, he doesn't want power over a wasteland.

 

[caLLous]

Trump said he'd do more, but Europe needs to stop buying oil off Russia before he'll do it. Which I think is a fair shout.

Because of course you do. Trump is just itching to punish Russia, like all those times he threatened them, gave them deadlines "or else" and then... did absolutely nothing. He's just weaseling around for any way he can look like he's being tough on Russia.

A quick search says nearly 30% of Europe's oil was coming from Russia before 2022 and it was down to 3% in 2024 - 3% isn't nothing but it's a massive decrease from 30% and gas imports are down 70% in the same time frame. Even if Europe stopped importing oil overnight (which is never going to happen because, for example, Hungary), Trump would conveniently forget he ever said it, pretend he was being sarcastic or he was misunderstood, get another chat show host fired, send the National Guard into another blue city to pick up litter because crime isn't actually out of control, blah blah blah

Trump's throwing these threats around like they mean something and people (like you, just then) nod sagely and say "oh yeah that sounds fair". When are you going to learn that his words hold no value whatsoever, especially in the context of punishing Russia? His actions hold value, and what he has actually done is fuck all to punish Russia and very little to help Ukraine.

You can and probably will brush all of this off as a hatred of Trump but name one thing he's done since taking office that has directly, materially hurt Russia. The most he's done is tariff other countries which might or might not have a knock-on impact (we all know the tariffs India got hit with were at least partially because he's sulking after he asked Modi to nominate him for the Peace Prize and he refused). He's talked the talk on a number of occasions but the last time ended up somehow with Putin the war criminal on US soil walking down a red carpet.

 

[Scouse]

Trump is such a trigger word for you.

 

[Ctuchik]

There is a reason trumps nicname is taco though.

Not going to claim he always chickens out but there are a lot of example where he's been talking big against putin and then for seemingly no reason do a 180 and start gushing praise over him.

Hopefully now when trump says his patience with putin is soon over he actually means it this time.
But then again, probably not.

Wouldn't surprise me if Trump says he's ready to punish putin a lot if nato does it as well because he doesn't think nato will go as far as trump "wants"...
So saying this is a safe way to gain points back home, and he can just blame europe for not doing enough. And to some degree he's right. We more or less only punish russia in areas that won't affect us too much and that's just not enough. Every time we pay russia for something they can attack Ukraine that much more. Europe have to stop giving russia money and we need to really start talking with the countries that feel they have to and help them get out of their dependencies to russia. Russia has few allies and they alone can not carry russias economy, not without massive financial risks to themselves.

 

[Scouse]

So, you basically said exactly the same thing as me there. But you had to qualify it with some "Trumps a cunt" before @caLLous hit agree.

We all know Trump's a cunt - but it IS a fair shout that we're still buying oil from Russia.

You shouldn't have to say "Trump's a cunt" every single time to get your perfectly valid point heard. It shows just utterly rabid tribal thinking.

 

[Scouse]

name one thing he's done since taking office that has directly, materially hurt Russia.

Hmm. Lets see.

Oh yes. He's stopped them steamrollering right through Ukraine because Europe can't.

He's called us on our lazy reliant on America shit and guess what? We've come up with the cash and investment so we can start to help countries on our doorstep ourselves.

Do you get it? There is no Ukraine without Trump.

That's pretty fucking material. America is the reason Putin hasn't won already. That's comes at a very real cost to America and a hugely material cost to Russia.

America's help is why China is helping Russia. Why North Korea is sending troops.

Europe is standing here limply with it's dick in it's hand whilst Trump helps us get our shit together after giving us a clip round the ear like parents are wont to do.

Wake the fuck up and stop being so tribal.