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Strikes are strategic, what's the point taking over a country that you've destroyed?
I'm saying that I'm talking, daily, to multiple people in Ukraine, in Kiev specifically. And as of this morning, nobody has heard any bombs dropping - despite our news reporting that bombs are being dropped near Kiev.
 

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Finland is an EU member and as such, has its own mutual defense clause. It also has a military cooperation treaty with Sweden, Norway and Denmark.

However, Moldova is pretty much fucked!
 

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6 russian jets and 2 helicopters downed so far. Come on Ukraine you glorious bastards!
 

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BTW - just off a call with a developer in Kiev. We're running a Russian & Ukranian development team (3rd party) (it's why I've been away in Malta for the last 3 weeks) and he's not heard or seen a thing.

Strange, considering "explosions" are happening near Kiev.

Take reports with a pinch of salt. I've no doubt that putin's moving in. But a bit of calm is required.

My wife's colleagues are definitely hearing explosions and have been since the early morning.
 

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My wife's colleagues are definitely hearing explosions and have been since the early morning.

I thought it has been confirmed a young boy has already died in Kiev from a missile attack?
 

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I know my Polish colleagues are shitting themselves :(

Its interesting that all this is happening now, because Poland has a shitload of new kit coming onstream from 2022; F-35s, Abrams tanks (250 of them), Patriot missiles, all kinds of stuff that's supposed to start arriving this year...
 

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Just had another call with the ukranian guys. Explosions are definitely being heard.
 

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"Massive" sanctions package incoming tonight apparently from #10... hopefully its something more relevant this time.
 

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Apparently it was UK equipment that downed a couple of jets, brings a tear to the eye.
 

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Apparently it was UK equipment that downed a couple of jets, brings a tear to the eye.
Source?

Also hearing that Russia is attacking Chernobyl nuclear plant.
 

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Quotes from various leaders (unhinged putin incldued)


RUSSIA PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN

'I have decided to conduct a special military operation... to protect people who have been subjected to bullying and genocide... for the last eight years.

'And for this we will strive for the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine. And to bring to court those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including against citizens of the Russian Federation.'

UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELINSKIY

'Russia treacherously attacked our state in the morning, as Nazi Germany did in the WW2 years.

'As of today, our countries are on different sides of world history. Russia has embarked on a path of evil, but Ukraine is defending itself & won't give up its freedom no matter what Moscow thinks.'

NATO SECRETARY-GENERAL JENS STOLTENBERG

'This is a deliberate, cold-blooded and long-planned invasion...

'Peace on our continent has been shattered Russia is using force to try to rewrite history, and deny Ukraine its free and independent path...

'We have no plans to send NATO troops in Ukraine. What we do is defensive.'

U.S PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN

'President Putin has chosen a premeditated war that will bring a catastrophic loss of life and human suffering...

'I will be meeting with the leaders of the G7, and the United States and our allies and partners will be imposing severe sanctions on Russia.'

EUROPEAN COMMISSION PRESIDENT URSULA VON DER LEYEN

'President Putin is responsible for bringing war back to Europe...

'We will target strategic sectors of the Russian economy by blocking their access to key technologies and markets. We will weaken Russia's economic base and its capacity to modernise.'

'In addition, we will freeze Russian assets in the EU and stop the access of Russian banks to the European financial market.'

EUROPEAN COMMISSION FOREIGN POLICY CHIEF JOSEP BORRELL

'These are among the darkest hours of Europe since the Second World War.

'The EU will respond in the strongest possible terms and agree on the harshest package of sanctions we have ever implemented.'

GERMAN CHANCELLOR OLAF SCHOLZ

'Putin is bringing suffering and destruction to his direct neighbours, he is violating the sovereignty and borders of Ukraine.

'He is endangering the lives of countless innocent people (and)... the peace order on our continent. For all that there is no justification. This is Putin's war.'



FRENCH PRESIDENT EMMANUEL MACRON

'France strongly condemns the decision of Russia to start a war with Ukraine. Russia must immediately put an end to its military operations.'

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER BORIS JOHNSON

'President Putin has chosen a path of bloodshed and destruction by launching this unprovoked attack on Ukraine...

'This is a catastrophe for our continent.'

CHINESE FOREIGN MINISTRY SPOKESPERSON HUA CHUNYING

'You are using a typical Western media question method of using the word invasion.

'China is closely monitoring the latest situation. We call on all sides to exercise restraint to prevent the situation from getting out of control.'

GERMAN ARMY CHIEF LIEUTENANT GENERAL ALFONS MAIS

'In my 41th year of peace-time service, I would not have thought that I would have to experience a war.

'And the Bundeswehr, the army which I have the honour to command, is standing there more or less empty-handed. The options we can offer the government in support of the (NATO)alliance are extremely limited...

'We have all seen it coming but were not able to get through with our arguments to draw the consequences after (Russia's) annexation of Crimea. This does not feel good. I am fed up with it.'

TURKISH FOREIGN MINISTRY

'This attack is a grave violation of international law and poses a serious threat to the security of our region and the world.

'We call on the Russian Federation to immediately end this unjust and unlawful act.'

HUNGARIAN PRIME MINISTER VIKTOR ORBAN

'With our EU and NATO allies, we condemn Russia's military attack.'

PORTUGUESE PRIME MINISTER ANTONIO COSTA

'The answer to this crisis should be a diplomatic solution... NATO will not intervene or act in Ukraine.

'Ukrainian citizens who have family, friends and acquaintances here are welcome in Portugal.'

ISRAELI FOREIGN MINISTER YAIR LAPID

'Russia's attack on Ukraine is a grave breach of international order. Israel condemns the attack.'

RUSSIAN EX-OIL TYCOON AND ARCH KREMLIN CRITIC MIKHAIL KHODORKOVSKY

'It is Putin and his entourage who started the war in order to hold on to their power - not the Russian people.

'Unleashing a war of aggression and using the armed forces for personal gain signifies that a junta led by Putin has seized power in Russia.'

EUROPEAN CENTRAL BANK POLICYMAKER YANNIS STOURNARAS

'In my view it is going to have a short-term inflationary effect â that is prices will increase due to higher energy costs.

'But in the medium to long term I think that the consequences will be deflationary through adverse trade effects.'
 

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from #10


"Johnson says the UK is announcing the largest package of sanctions that Russia has ever seen.

A full asset freeze is being imposed on VBT, Russia’s second largest bank.

Russian banks will be excluded from the UK financial system, he says.

Russsian state and private companies will be banned from raising money in the UK.

The amount of money Russians can have in British bank accounts will be limited.

Sanctions will apply to Belarus too, Johnson says.

He says Aeroflot will be banned in the UK.

Export controls will be implemented, similar to the ones imposed by the US. (That means a ban on items like semiconductor and other high-tech equipment.)

There will also be a ban on the export of dual-use items to Russia. (That means equipment that could be used militarily.)

Legislation to enforce some of these sanctions will be laid in parliament next week, he says.

These trade sanctions will constrain Russia’s military, industrial and technological capabilities for years to come.
Johnson also says he is discussing with allies the possiblity of excluding Russia from the Swift international payments system."
 

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"Johnson says the UK is announcing the largest package of sanctions that Russia has ever seen.

A full asset freeze is being imposed on VBT, Russia’s second largest bank.

Russian banks will be excluded from the UK financial system, he says.

Russsian state and private companies will be banned from raising money in the UK.

The amount of money Russians can have in British bank accounts will be limited.

Sanctions will apply to Belarus too, Johnson says.

He says Aeroflot will be banned in the UK.

Export controls will be implemented, similar to the ones imposed by the US. (That means a ban on items like semiconductor and other high-tech equipment.)

There will also be a ban on the export of dual-use items to Russia. (That means equipment that could be used militarily.)

Legislation to enforce some of these sanctions will be laid in parliament next week, he says.


Johnson also says he is discussing with allies the possiblity of excluding Russia from the Swift international payments system."
If we aren’t seizing their property then it’s not serious.
 

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"The UK will impose its “largest ever” set of economic sanctions on Russia, including pushing to end Russia’s use of the Swift international payment systems, freezing assets of all major Russian banks, limiting cash held by Russian nationals in UK banks and sanctioning more than 100 individuals and entities.

Boris Johnson has urged European leaders to agree that Russia’s use of the major payments system should be suspended, making the argument in a call with the German chancellor Olaf Scholz and in a meeting of G7 leaders. The move is likely to be resisted by EU countries.

Announcing a package of sanctions which Johnson had promised would “hobble” Russia’s economy, the UK said it would said legislation would be laid on Tuesday to ban major Russian companies raise finance on UK markets and to prevent Russia raising sovereign debt on UK markets.

The sanctions include more key oligarchs who will have assets frozen, though sources said that more names – including what they said would be more recognisable figures – would be released in the coming weeks.

The prime minister announced ten measures the UK was taking immediately. The UK will freeze assets of all major Russian banks including VTB, the country’s second largest bank with assets totalling £154bn.

Individual sanctions will be imposed on over 100 individuals, entities and subsidiaries, including Rostec, the country’s biggest defence company, employing more than two million people and exporting £10bn in arms a year, as well as four other defence companies.

Oligarchs who will be sanctioned include Putin’s former son-in-law Kirill Shamalov, Russia’s youngest billionaire, Denis Bortnikov, chair of VTB Bank Management Board , Yury Slyusar, director of the United Aircraft Corporation. The Russian airline Aeroflot will be banned from landing in the UK

The UK will suspend and prohibit all dual-use export licences to Russia, which covers items that could have civilian or military use. There will also be legislation to prohibit a wide range of high tech exports to Russia, including semi-conductors, aircraft parts such as Rolls Royce jet engines, and oil refinery equipment.

Number 10 said it would set out more detail in the coming days about new legislation to limit the deposits that all Russian nationals can hold in UK bank accounts, intended to choke off the ability of Russians to raise finance and keep their money in London.

Number 10 also said it would extend a full range of measures to Belarus, which Russian forces have used to invade Ukraine, treating the country as subject to same sanctions regime as Russia. The final measure was a pledge to bring forward the Economic Crime bill, before Easter recess, aimed at making assets more transparent."
 

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Are the conservatives going to hand back the millions they took from russian donors then?
 

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Loads of stuff, plus:
Johnson also says he is discussing with allies the possiblity of excluding Russia from the Swift international payments system."
So, like I've already said. Fuck all really.

Life is cheap.
 

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Will it also apply to UK overseas territories? Where the shady money is being held anyway
 

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