United States Corrupt Twattery

[caLLous]

Someone should tell all the states that have bent over backwards to bring these companies in to build - through subsidies, tax breaks, ignoring environmental laws/studies/concerns... - that "no US state would want data centres".

 

[BloodOmen]

Someone should tell all the states that have bent over backwards to bring these companies in to build - through subsidies, tax breaks, ignoring environmental laws/studies/concerns... - that "no US state would want data centres".

Just asked AI (irony?) to do an assessment on states with fucked power grids lol


Based on recent reports, multiple U.S. states are experiencing strained power grids, driven by extreme weather, surging demand from data centers/AI, and aging infrastructure.

• Texas (ERCOT): As an independent grid, Texas is highly vulnerable, experiencing recurring strain during winter freezes and summer heatwaves,, according to The Week and Generac.
• California: Faces severe stress from heat waves, wildfires, and high demand, frequently leading to power conservation calls and "public safety power shutoffs".
• Mid-Atlantic & Northeast (PJM Interconnection): Parts of Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, and Illinois are under extreme strain, with reports highlighting, according to Reuters, that AI and data center energy consumption are outpacing power generation, potentially leading to rolling blackouts.
• Southeast: Regions in Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee are seeing increased strain from both, according to Stateline and Generac, extreme weather and data center growth.
• Louisiana & Mississippi: Frequently ranked among the worst for grid reliability due to severe, recurring, according to Ooma and Generac, weather damage (hurricanes/storms).
• New England (specifically Maine): Identified by some analyses, according to Reddit users and Ooma, as having among the least reliable grids due to, according to Reddit users, poor infrastructure in heavily wooded areas.
• Montana: Cited, according to TikTok user @dryfterhomes, for an aging system that is falling behind modern energy demands.

Key Drivers of Strain:

• Extreme Weather: Increased frequency of heat waves and, according to Yahoo News UK and Yahoo Finance,, severe winter storms.
• Data Centers/AI: Rapid,, according to Reuters and GovTech, expansion of high-energy data centers.

Not be long before they're knocking on Greenlands door again. Unless of course they turn their work for into Chinese workforces and build more power plants in record time.

 

[SilverHood]

So why did America really want Greenland? Is it because they wanted to deploy their Golden Dome there? Yes and no. They also wanted to turn Greenland into the primary location for housing data centres because it’s naturally cold, has access to virtually unlimited water for additional cooling, and has geothermal energy that would be sufficient to power the data centres.

Trump likely was offered billions if he could secure Greenland by firms like NVIDIA, AMD, and Microsoft, because realistically it’s the only place they could house all of their data centres. No U.S. state would want data centres because they would be a massive drain on already stressed power grids, consume a lot of water (likely significantly impacting drinking water supplies), and produce a lot of pollution in the immediate area.

And for what? All for AI — fucking AI again...

The USA isn’t done with Greenland yet. Mark my words: they will try again.

There's also the natural resources. Lots of rare heavy earth minerals, and the coastline would allow offshore drilling for oil and gas. Not to mention the strategic location, both for controlling the new melting arctic sea routes, and for putting long range missiles there. He'd be able to strike everywhere in the northern hemisphere with impunity. In Trump's mind, Greenland is prime real estate that's wasted on a minnow like Denmark, and the way he sees the world, Denmark is going to lose it sooner or later, and if so, it might as well be sooner, to the USA.

 

[Scouse]

Someone should tell all the states that have bent over backwards to bring these companies in to build - through subsidies, tax breaks, ignoring environmental laws/studies/concerns... - that "no US state would want data centres".

I'd rather be having a pop at the UK government here - since we're bending over backwards to site US datacentres in blighty, and our electricity bills will end up subsidising them.

For a country with the highest power costs in the G7 that sounds fucking peachy.

 

[BloodOmen]

I'd rather be having a pop at the UK government here - since we're bending over backwards to site US datacentres in blighty, and our electricity bills will end up subsidising them.

For a country with the highest power costs in the G7 that sounds fucking peachy.

That I didn't know, where abouts?

 

[Gwadien]

I'd rather be having a pop at the UK government here - since we're bending over backwards to site US datacentres in blighty, and our electricity bills will end up subsidising them.

For a country with the highest power costs in the G7 that sounds fucking peachy.

Isn't one of the complaints businesses have is that they pay the highest power costs?

IE not subsidised by the tax payer?

 

[Scouse]

That I didn't know, where abouts?

O/H was working on a blue hydrogen plant in Teeside for the past few years. (Blue Hydrogen is a greenwashing scam itself, but hey...). They were going to place it right next to a SSSI.

But regardless, that's been canned in favour of an AI datacentre. And there's others.

Isn't one of the complaints businesses have is that they pay the highest power costs?

IE not subsidised by the tax payer?

Who's paying for all the network upgrades?

How much are we paying in artifically-inflated tied-to-wholesale-gas strike price for renewables?

It ain't business paying for that. It's all of us.

 

[caLLous]

"How can I turn this US issue in the US thread into an attack on Labour?"

 

[Scouse]

"How can I focus my anger entirely on the United States when there's just as bad shit going on at home?"

I mean, there might, just might, be something in that.

The bit about greenland was absolutely relevant - because we're moaning about the states not wanting AI datacentres in the US - and we're bending over backwards to fund them out of taxpayers pockets.

100% relevant.


In other news our one-time de-facto deputy Prime Minister has just been arrested for passing information to a known paedophile and our current prime minister re-hired him. But LOOK AT THE STATES!

 

[Deebs]

Spoiler

How to remove @Scouse from the living, setup a surprise birthday party full of Labour supporters for him. Oh and host it on his farm in the big shed.

Sorry for derailing but thought I would try to inject a little humour, please don't post any replies to this.

 

[Gwadien]

Spoiler

How to remove @Scouse from the living, setup a surprise birthday party full of Labour supporters for him. Oh and host it on his farm in the big shed.

Sorry for derailing but thought I would try to inject a little humour, please don't post any replies to this.

ok

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Embattle]

Free speech warrior in America:

Trump administration meets with UK far-right activist Tommy Robinson

Agitator whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was hosted by senior adviser at US state department

www.theguardian.com

 

[Scouse]

Free speech warrior in America:

Trump administration meets with UK far-right activist Tommy Robinson

Agitator whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon was hosted by senior adviser at US state department

www.theguardian.com

Whilst undoubtedly an utter utter cunt he's been locked up for the (stupid) shit he said (his 'speech') - your article quotes a green MSP advocating for more censorship legislation to legislate him and people like him into prison for expressing their opinions.

So, by many measures, free speech warrior this retarded cunt actually is.

Free speech is meaningless if it doesn't protect those who think differently.

And humans hate different. We want to use the law to kick them.

Meanwhile - again, in your article - the police have warned him that there are Islamic actors agitating to hurt him / his family.

So my question here is: why are you obsessed with this fucktard instead of a dangerous, jihadist religion that produces people happy to try to murder authors like Salman Rushdie and who've happily bombed and shot and stabbed and machete'd innocent westerners to death? And why do you support a government that intends to use censorship laws to being back blasphemy - protecting this despicable religion at the cost of our freedom of speech and thought - in by the back door?

 

[Scouse]

Datacentre developers face calls to disclose effect on UK’s net emissions

Campaign groups write to technology secretary amid concerns that sites could double overall electricity demand

www.theguardian.com

 

[Gwadien]

Trump has ordered government agencies to stop using Anthropic AI tools

The move announced on social media comes after a standoff between Anthropic's boss and the US Department of Defense.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tldr - unless you let us use your ai for what ever we want, you aint doing business in the USA.

I thought MAGA was all about freedoms etc?

 

[Gwadien]

https://x.com/SenTuberville/status/2032087973810901496?s=20

wtf

 

[BloodOmen]

Trump has ordered government agencies to stop using Anthropic AI tools

The move announced on social media comes after a standoff between Anthropic's boss and the US Department of Defense.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tldr - unless you let us use your ai for what ever we want, you aint doing business in the USA.

I thought MAGA was all about freedoms etc?

Yup, he's like a child... "If I can't play with you guys i'm taking my football home!"

 

[Scouse]

I mean, whilst I don't agree with the use of AI in the military sphere, if Anthropic's principles say "you can't use it for the military / automated decisioning around kills" then it seems not outside the bounds of reasonableness to say "our military cannot use your AI tools - we'll use other tools".

I don't particularly like it - but we're already using AI in the military. This is a bit like a (very public) vendor selection IMO.

 

[Gwadien]

I mean, whilst I don't agree with the use of AI in the military sphere, if Anthropic's principles say "you can't use it for the military / automated decisioning around kills" then it seems not outside the bounds of reasonableness to say "our military cannot use your AI tools - we'll use other tools".

I don't particularly like it - but we're already using AI in the military. This is a bit like a (very public) vendor selection IMO.

Well it's moved onto threatening to treat Anthropic like Cuba - you let use your shit or you aint doing business with anyone.

Hence why it might be a nice idea to have data centres in the UK.

Box is open, we can't close it. Bit like nukes

 

[Scouse]

Well it's moved onto threatening to treat Anthropic like Cuba - you let use your shit or you aint doing business with anyone.

No. It's military usage specifically.

Outside of the histrionics - if Anthropic has principles that forbid military usage, then why would you use Anthropic in your military? Use another AI platform instead - and that platform gets to benefit from all the companies using it (and all of the taxpayer funding they receive) - rather than the one that has use-cases that are forbidden to the military?

Hence why it might be a nice idea to have data centres in the UK.

What? So we can blow them up if the Americans - our biggest and strongest ally - decide to turn against us?

Have you heard of redundancy? They'll have them all over the world. No AI company would be dumb enough in this day and age to design a system with a single-country failure point. So I still don't see the value in making our electricity extra-expensive for other people's benefit.

 

[Zarjazz]

I mean, whilst I don't agree with the use of AI in the military sphere, if Anthropic's principles say "you can't use it for the military / automated decisioning around kills" then it seems not outside the bounds of reasonableness to say "our military cannot use your AI tools - we'll use other tools".

That's not all that they did though. They didn't say the military should stop using their software, which as you said they are absolutely in their rights to do, they also labelled Anthropic as a "supply chain risk", which is another matter entirely and a giant fuck you! This is the only time an American company has been classified as that. All because some spoiled narcissistic cunts got upset that someone had the balls to finally tell them "No".

 

[Scouse]

That's not all that they did though. They didn't say the military should stop using their software, which as you said they are absolutely in their rights to do, they also labelled Anthropic as a "supply chain risk", which is another matter entirely and a giant fuck you! This is the only time an American company has been classified as that. All because some spoiled narcissistic cunts got upset that someone had the balls to finally tell them "No".

Yeah. But that classification just means that other companies can't use anthropic if they're supplying the military/in receipt of military funding. Which I admit isn't great - but ultimately, the benefit is of above. If they didn't do that then public cash would be getting spent by the military that benefits a toolmaker (Anthropic) that opposes military use.

In the world of impacts, I'd say this rates as a "bit of a dick move" by the states, but nothing more.

On the plus side, Anthropic should pull in a load of people that aren't into automation of killing machines and the like, right? Military funding aside - there's got to be an upside for them.

Plus, courts... A lot of these things are turning out short lived.

 

[Gwadien]

Not pro Trump tho...

 

[Raven]

 

[Scouse]

Not pro Trump tho...

There's nothing pro- in what I said. I'm just not suffering from hysteria.

In other news, a company I work for has selected an AI model by Anthropic and banned a load of others - and if you use the the others with our data that's a sackable offense.

🤷

 

[Gwadien]

There's nothing pro- in what I said. I'm just not suffering from hysteria.

In other news, a company I work for has selected an AI model by Anthropic and banned a load of others - and if you use the the others with our data that's a sackable offense.

🤷

Because theyre a private company and they have the ability and freedom to do that?

This is the US government saying anyone within the government (or even contractors and stuff) cant do business with Anthropic because they don't want to do what the government says.

I fail to see how you of all people are ok with this, its mind blowing.

Obviously if starmer did it you'd be calling him a nazi.

 

[caLLous]

Obviously if starmer did it you'd be calling him a nazi.

And he'd do it much more rabidly than anyone has ever spoken about Trump on here.

Also, a recent study shows that Claude was the best-performing AI model when it comes to preventing people from planning to cause harm to themselves or others. No wonder the US admin doesn't want to work with them.

 

[Zarjazz]

But that classification just means that other companies can't use anthropic if they're supplying the military/in receipt of military funding.

No it doesn't. I can't tell if you are being contrarian for it's own sake or you're just willfully ignorant. It's used to call out companies the country considers an enemy of the state or a nation level security risk. It's a designation intentionally designed to harm Anthropic and its reputation.

 

[BloodOmen]

So out of all the "Allies" Trump asked to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz

Italy: Rejected
Spain: Rejected
Japan: Rejected
France: Rejected
Norway: Rejected
Canada: Rejected
Australia: Rejected
Germany: Rejected
China: No response
UK: Rejected
Netherlands: No response
South Korea: No response

It's almost as if constantly belittling your allies and starting an illegal war had consequences scratches chin