United States Corrupt Twattery

[Scouse]

Again there is utterly no reason without cast iron protection agreements for them to agree to anything

You mean, other than the reason than they'd get killed if they didn't agree?

I guess in @Embattle's world nobody ever agreed to anything when they had a gun pointed at their head.

 

[Scouse]

A telling statistic I just read: the number of voters for Trump in this election was unchanged from 2020, but the number of voters for Kamala was between 8-13M *less* than Biden got. Given that you can't really say Trump won, it's Kamala and the Democrats that lost, and lost badly. They only have themselves to blame.

They do. And they need to look at why that is the case.

 

[Scouse]

It's shocking tbh because, based on nothing other than the atmospheres at their respective rallies over the last month, you'd say it was the Democrats who were the more energised to vote. That he won the popular vote as well was a total surprise. So now he's going to control basically every branch of government (definitely the Senate, not sure whether the House has been decided yet) and the Supreme Court, which he will no doubt tip further in his favour as a couple of the more liberal judges are probably going to retire during his term.

To be honest m8, I'm not shocked in the least.

Is anyone here really that surprised? It's felt like a Trump victory for a long time now for me.

 

[Embattle]

You mean, other than the reason than they'd get killed if they didn't agree?

I guess in @Embattle's world nobody ever agreed to anything when they had a gun pointed at their head.

Again you being a repetitive cunt as usual won't cause me to continue repeating what I've already stated after this post.

You don't understand the issue now because you never did in the past when we covered the subject in the Russia thread where you pretty much said the same rubbish, there is no point in making a short term peace with a country and man who are untrustworthy on a fundamental level, a country that has committed assorted atrocities against the Ukrainian people recently and even in the distant past when it was part of USSR.

 

[Gwadien]

I spoke to a Ukrainian kid today after feel sorry for them at my place cos of the Trump victory and Ukraine being rolled by Russia, he basically said (and id imagine it comes from parents too) that he wanted Trump to win because it'd bring the war to an end and they can go home.

Got me thinking - perhaps not all Ukrainians fully support the war effort anymore, I wonder if this feeling of acceptance of their place as one of the many constant victims on the planet is more widespread and the love of democracy and freedom is a Western pair of glasses that we like to put on when we look at the Ukrainian situation.

Sure their leadership would say otherwise but that's only because they're so personally invested, but for your average Joe? I dunno.

Free democracies are on the decline and authoritarian countries are on the increase, many of which voted themselves into it.

 

[Bodhi]

A telling statistic I just read: the number of voters for Trump in this election was unchanged from 2020, but the number of voters for Kamala was between 8-13M *less* than Biden got. Given that you can't really say Trump won, it's Kamala and the Democrats that lost, and lost badly. They only have themselves to blame.

Worth noting at this point California still have about 15 million votes to count

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[Scouse]

You seem to be missing the point mate:

there is no point in making a short term peace

They'll have no choice.

If the US withdraw support their choices will be:

1) Give up some land, short term peace that Russia might well break.
2) Destruction.

If there's another choice, something I'm missing (you say I don't understand it) then I'd love you to tell me what it is.

 

[Lamp]

I for one am delighted the leader of the free world is a convicted sex offender who paints his face orange, who thinks people in America are eating cats and dogs for dinner, that he can stop the Ukraine war in one day, and that Elon Musk personally developed the "heat proof paint" on his space rockets.

 

[Jupitus]

Pie nails it, as usual:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0eq7VNCcYY&ab_channel=JonathanPie

 

[Scouse]

90% with what he says there @Jupitus. I'd go a little further in places tbh.