United States Corrupt Twattery

[caLLous]

RFK Jr. in charge of public health is legitimately terrifying.

 

[Ormorof]

Brainworms for everyone

 

[Overdriven]

I didn't have a Watsit winning the election this year on my bingo card, but then I forgot how stupid central American states are.

 

[Embattle]

RFK Jr. in charge of public health is legitimately terrifying.

It'll be both terrifying and hysterical at the same time.

 

[Embattle]

I see Keir has rushed to congratulate Trump:

"I look forward to working with you in the years ahead," the UK's prime minister says, adding:

“As the closest of allies, we stand shoulder to shoulder in defence of our shared values of freedom, democracy and enterprise.

“From growth and security to innovation and tech, I know that the UK-US special relationship will continue to prosper on both sides of the Atlantic for years to come.

 

[Scouse]

You have to wonder if the Democrats will look at themselves and wonder why the American public put a massive wanker like Trump in again rather than them.

This is a huge result. It's very rare that a pres gets back in after a gap.

 

[Tom]

It isn't over yet but if he does get back in, at least we know who the Americans are and what they support. Poor education, molestation, criminality, and a strong self-belief that they're the chosen ones and deserve to be rich.

One bonus might be that a Trump win pushes the UK closer to the EU again. I sincerely hope the EU bands together and supports Ukraine fully.

 

[Scouse]

It isn't over yet but if he does get back in, at least we know who the Americans are and what they support. Poor education, molestation, criminality, and a strong self-belief that they're the chosen ones and deserve to be rich.

That narrative doesn't help as it's judgement of "other" rather than looking at the losers and saying "why didn't we do better"?

The question the dems need to ask is - what makes us so unsufferable when we're supposedly cleaner, nicer, less racist, less criminal than the opposition?

 

[Zarjazz]

You have to wonder if the Democrats will look at themselves and wonder why the American public put a massive wanker like Trump in again rather than them.

Because all their (social) media is run by republicans, they see no other viewpoints, and the fact they would rather vote for a lying, cheating, racist, rapist, treasonous criminal than a woman with brown skin.

 

[Yoni]

…because they prefer a convicted felon and rapist who is openly racist and misogynist over a black woman …. Not a good look

 

[Yoni]

Oeps misogynistic even

 

[Raven]

The world is going to be a much more dangerous place over the next few years. I don't think Ukraine will do too well and who knows what, after that.

 

[Embattle]

It isn't over yet but if he does get back in, at least we know who the Americans are and what they support. Poor education, molestation, criminality, and a strong self-belief that they're the chosen ones and deserve to be rich.

One bonus might be that a Trump win pushes the UK closer to the EU again. I sincerely hope the EU bands together and supports Ukraine fully.

Well it appears to be over now, if that is what America wants let them have it the whole process of who they elect is fundamentally illogical but the Democrats don't help themselves either.

I would hope they do but with some of the recent recent European parties that have won elections, and people like Oban, I'm not so sure they will.

 

[Overdriven]

Yep. It's over now.

 

[Scouse]

Because all their (social) media is run by republicans, they see no other viewpoints, and the fact they would rather vote for a lying, cheating, racist, rapist, treasonous criminal than a woman with brown skin.

That's another thing isn't it - like everyone's swayed by social media.

There are huge swathes of the US population that aren't on twatter and don't give a shit about twatter - the 15th largest social media platform. But listening to the left you'd think that everyone who doesn't vote for them is clearly utterly mind-captured, and that's why we have to censor social media and move against these platforms. Because for people on social media that's bigger than the influences from their actual real lives.

For me - the left need to focus more on the problems that affect people rather than trying to make people think differently through legal means. Just make their live better. For me - that whole "don't say that" attitude is by far the biggest turn off for the left. I read the Guardian massively - I don't read many other news sources (funnily, I never used to until @Bodhi started calling me Comrade Scouse). And I generally like their style of writing - but their fundamendal ideas are horrible - and they can't see it. Their ideas come from a good place, but what they end up doing is talking nonsense. There's an orwellian doublespeak and "allowable" narrative wrapped up in the left's modus operandi.

If they just stuck to economics, making the lives of the "working man" better, making the world a more equal place, then I think they'd storm the votes - they'd have won the election IMO.

But the left can't help trying to make the whole world think they way they want them to think. They subvert the autonomy of the individual and whilst it might be nice, for example, if all humans weren't racist, the pushback from asshats means leftist governments continually tighten their grip, they squeeze more and more as people don't conform, don't OBEY, and it ends up with the sort of legal shitshow that we have in Blighty - we're everyone's equal under the law, but not really.

The nagging nanny state is the massive turn-off IMO. That's my $0.02 on the reasons, but YMMV - just my opinion. The stuff I posted above though - that the left aren't looking at themselves, that they're pointing at republican voters and going "they're all retards" - that's seems factual and I can't see it changing.

 

[Scouse]

To augment the above @Zarjazz:


If we look at the age stuff - younger are more leftist. I certainly was. There's a long-standing thing that people become more right-wing as they get older - and the narrative about that is that they get richer and just want to protect their wealth and "fuck everyone else" - especially the young.

I don't think that narrative is correct - any more than the "republican voters are retards" narrative. I personally think that once you've lived through left-leaning governments you realise the baggage they come with and you just can't be arsed with it. Economically, I'm still very left - but even economically the left fails. Labour's never actually made any change that redistributes wealth from the mega-rich for the good of all. They just hit the middle classes - creating a flat level of equal shitness, but leaving all the actual wealth well alone.

It's clear on the venn diagram that most black people think all the racists live in republican land tho

 

[Scouse]

The world is going to be a much more dangerous place over the next few years. I don't think Ukraine will do too well and who knows what, after that.

My prediction: I think he'll probably withdraw support for Ukraine unless they give up some territory - specifically the areas that have been kicking off for a long time. The carrot will be that the US will fund massive rebuild for the rest of Ukraine if they do.

 

[Embattle]

My prediction: I think he'll probably withdraw support for Ukraine unless they give up some territory - specifically the areas that have been kicking off for a long time. The carrot will be that the US will fund massive rebuild for the rest of Ukraine if they do.

They won't give up anything without any guarantees and that won't be worth the paper that it's written on, unless they can join NATO which Russia probably won't accept.

 

[BloodOmen]

Seen it coming a mile off tbh, piss off a large portion of the country and lose

Kamala = Surprised pikachu face


And as someone said above - yea Starmer rushed to congratulate him to try and mend the gaffe/Labour supporting Kamala apparently (even though it was only a rogue Labour MP I think?) Trump will take that personally because thats just the kind of person he is.

 

[Zarjazz]

There's a long-standing thing that people become more right-wing as they get older - and the narrative about that is that they get richer and just want to protect their wealth and "fuck everyone else" - especially the young. I don't think that narrative is correct

Well it has been empirical fact for a long time, at least until this last generation. There is no sign of the generally more left-leaning young become more right-wing as they age and there is a lot of discussion I've seen about the reasons why - one being they aren't gaining the wealth or homes their parents did to protect - and how it's scaring the shit out of certain political parties and a lot of their current actions are in response to that.

 

[Bodhi]

…because they prefer a convicted felon and rapist who is openly racist and misogynist over a black woman …. Not a good look

Unfortunately even after a reasonably long and hard fought campaign it's still not entirely clear what any of Kamala's positive attributes were other than being a black woman who wasn't Donald Trump. Whilst that may be enough for some I'm not sure it's really a platform to win one of the most powerful jobs in the world.

She was probably the least impressive candidate for the job I can remember, and to this date it still isn't entirely clear what her policies were or what she stood for.

If only there was some sort of pre-election process where Democrats could have seen what the candidates had to offer and vote for the best one.

Could call it a primary vote or something.

 

[Scouse]

They won't give up anything without any guarantees and that won't be worth the paper that it's written on, unless they can join NATO which Russia probably won't accept.

Ukraine won't have a choice if Trump removed support. Russia would pile through and take a shitload.

So my prediction is Trump says "give them this and we'll support you for the rest, or we'll walk away and let Russia take what they want". The only thing in my mind is whether Trump negotiates directly with Russia or whether they let the resident stand-up comedian be part of the negotiations (for show).

At least I'm bold enough to make predictions that people can fling back in my face when I'm wrong eh?

 

[Embattle]

Ukraine won't have a choice if Trump removed support. Russia would pile through and take a shitload.

So my prediction is Trump says "give them this and we'll support you for the rest, or we'll walk away and let Russia take what they want". The only thing in my mind is whether Trump negotiates directly with Russia or whether they let the resident stand-up comedian be part of the negotiations (for show).

At least I'm bold enough to make predictions that people can fling back in my face when I'm wrong eh?

I'm fairly sure you or someone else made such a comment before, it shows just as much a lack of understanding now as it did then regarding the history of Ukraine and Russia. There is utterly no point in them agreeing to any deal without cast iron guarantees, no matter what Trump does or doesn't do to support his fabled ability to resolve it within 24hrs.

 

[Scouse]

Like the disagree there @Embattle. That's a prediction of your own

 

[Scouse]

There is utterly no point in them agreeing to any deal without cast iron guarantees

1) There's no such thing as a cast-iron guarantee. Surely life has taught you that by now?
2) They'll have to agree to a deal suck a dick , or when America stops propping them up, Russia will barrel through and take the lot.

Do you think their military works without US propping up?



US analysts said at the start of the war that nobody is going to feel good about the end of this thing - not Russia, not Ukraine, not the west. And I think they were right on the money way back then.

 

[Bodhi]

Ukraine won't have a choice if Trump removed support. Russia would pile through and take a shitload.

So my prediction is Trump says "give them this and we'll support you for the rest, or we'll walk away and let Russia take what they want". The only thing in my mind is whether Trump negotiates directly with Russia or whether they let the resident stand-up comedian be part of the negotiations (for show).

At least I'm bold enough to make predictions that people can fling back in my face when I'm wrong eh?

Two agrees in one thread - totally unprecedented! In fact you could call it UUUUUUUUGE!

I suspect the rumoured peace deal that was on the table in 2022 that Boris nixed might be back on the table quite soon...

 

[Embattle]

Again there is utterly no reason without cast iron protection agreements for them to agree to anything because history has taught them, and it seems most of us, that Russia wouldn't abide by it....no matter what difference losing US weapons makes.

 

[Zarjazz]

Unfortunately even after a reasonably long and hard fought campaign it's still not entirely clear what any of Kamala's positive attributes were other than being a black woman who wasn't Donald Trump. Whilst that may be enough for some I'm not sure it's really a platform to win one of the most powerful jobs in the world.

A telling statistic I just read: the number of voters for Trump in this election was unchanged from 2020, but the number of voters for Kamala was between 8-13M *less* than Biden got. Given that you can't really say Trump won, it's Kamala and the Democrats that lost, and lost badly. They only have themselves to blame.

 

[caLLous]

Ukraine will need something tangible eg EU or NATO (for what that's worth with Trump in power) membership, they gave up their nuclear weapons on the condition that Russia would leave them alone (an agreement guaranteed by the UK, the US and Russia) and if they give up territory now Russia will just move everything a bit closer, regroup and have another go in a couple of years.

 

[caLLous]

A telling statistic I just read: the number of voters for Trump in this election was unchanged from 2020, but the number of voters for Kamala was between 8-13M *less* than Biden got. Given that you can't really say Trump won, it's Kamala and the Democrats that lost, and lost badly. They only have themselves to blame.

It's shocking tbh because, based on nothing other than the atmospheres at their respective rallies over the last month, you'd say it was the Democrats who were the more energised to vote. That he won the popular vote as well was a total surprise. So now he's going to control basically every branch of government (definitely the Senate, not sure whether the House has been decided yet) and the Supreme Court, which he will no doubt tip further in his favour as a couple of the more liberal judges are probably going to retire during his term.