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[Ctuchik]

Harley Davidson is moving part of its production to Europe and Trump is absolutely raging about it....

So now one have stood up and left the room so to speak, wonder how many will do the same now that they won't be the first...

 

[caLLous]

Harley-Davidson took its tax cut, closed a factory, and rewarded shareholders

That happened last month, as well.

 

[Scouse]

Corporation in acting-in-the-interests-of-shareholders shocker.

Capitalism is by the rich, for the rich.

 

[DaGaffer]

Harley Davidson is moving part of its production to Europe and Trump is absolutely raging about it....

So now one have stood up and left the room so to speak, wonder how many will do the same now that they won't be the first...

He’s raging about something he’s asking, nay, demanding, Europeans do in reverse? (Never mind that ze Germans manufacture billions of dollars’ worth of cars over there already). He really is dumb as rocks isn’t he?

 

[Job]

Still waiting for the Algerian outrage.

 

[Wij]

He’s raging about something he’s asking, nay, demanding, Europeans do in reverse? (Never mind that ze Germans manufacture billions of dollars’ worth of cars over there already). He really is dumb as rocks isn’t he?

Yes. Exactly. Cars bought in America should be made in America. But bikes bought in the EU should be built in America.

A total tool.

What he also seems not to grasp is that there is a world beyond bilateral trade wars. He starts trade wars between the US and the EU, between the US and China, between the US and Canada, between the US and India, etc, etc...

Fine there are losers on both sides but the EU also trades with China without a trade war, China trades with India, India trades with Canada, Canada trades with the EU.

The US is fighting trade wars on all fronts. The rest of the world is fighting them just on their US front. The biggest loser will always be the US.

Fucking moron. He doesn't understand the basics of trade and still clings to his mercantilist dogma.

 

[Wij]

Still waiting for the Algerian outrage.

In the US Elections thread?

 

[Gwadien]

Maybe America should actively help out in Mexico to sort out its issues and you know, make it so that people don't have to leave.

 

[Wij]

At the moment immigrants on the southern border are more likely to be from other Central American countries such as El Salvador and Honduras. I posted an article about it above.

That may change when Mexico gets its new populist Putin-supported leader.

 

[Job]

Still waiting.

 

[Scouse]

For one of your 'points' to mean something? Anything.

So are we.

 

[Gwadien]

Job you're either trolling or very stupid.

It's like comparing the NHS to the health service that Somalia has and saying oh look we don't have any problems because look at them!

We shouldnt really compare anything with third world countries, anything.

 

[Wij]

I'm utterly shocked. Noone could have predicted this!!

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[Job]

Job you're either trolling or very stupid.

It's like comparing the NHS to the health service that Somalia has and saying oh look we don't have any problems because look at them!

We shouldnt really compare anything with third world countries, anything.

Well fuck me sideways..you just unwittingly nailed your racism and everyone elses to the toilet wall.
It doesnt matteras much because they are poor and live far away.

 

[Scouse]

@Job - if you want to discuss that particular and very separate atrocity then why not start a thread about it which isn't in the US elections thread?

The plight of people in other geographical areas is absolutely deserving of it's own thread. As you're clealy incredibly upset about it why not start a discussion.

Then we can talk about BOTH things in the way they both deserve to be.

 

[Scouse]

It doesnt matteras much because they are poor and live far away.

BTW - mexican children are poor and live even further away.

 

[Gwadien]

Well fuck me sideways..you just unwittingly nailed your racism and everyone elses to the toilet wall.
It doesnt matteras much because they are poor and live far away.

Lmao.

Because I said we shouldn't compare?

We are economically superior to lots of countries on this planet and being economically superior is the most important thing, although we are miles away on principles and morals.

We should be using that position to support other nations and.. yeah nah fuck this it's a waste of time explaining myself to you.

 

[Bodhi]

Yes. Exactly. Cars bought in America should be made in America. But bikes bought in the EU should be built in America.

A total tool.

What he also seems not to grasp is that there is a world beyond bilateral trade wars. He starts trade wars between the US and the EU, between the US and China, between the US and Canada, between the US and India, etc, etc...

Fine there are losers on both sides but the EU also trades with China without a trade war, China trades with India, India trades with Canada, Canada trades with the EU.

The US is fighting trade wars on all fronts. The rest of the world is fighting them just on their US front. The biggest loser will always be the US.

Fucking moron. He doesn't understand the basics of trade and still clings to his mercantilist dogma.

Te be fair to the guy, the whole point of what he's doing is just to point out that a lot of tariffs don't work both ways - so the US Import tariff on European Cars is much lower the the EU tariff on US cars, for example - all he's trying to do is balance this out. If you recall he did suggest during the G7 summit that they make the G7 a tariff free area,which kind of got lost in all the silly photos and Trudeau wetting the bed.

So I can see what he is doing, however I cannot see for the life of me how jacking up tariffs is going to achieve that.

Bit I find most intriguing is the EU's attitude in all of this. EU to US - tariffs bad, how dare you do this to us? EU to UK - look at all the tariffs heading your way if you don't bend over for us.

 

[Scouse]

more like UK to EU - "we like our zero tarriff arrangement club that we walked into with open eyes and signed up to in good faith and for very good reasons (preventing war).

However, we want to play by our own rules now, and to be able to, for example, lock hook-handy people up without due process and with regards to the laws we developed together to stymie authoritarian governments.

But that doesn't mean we don't still want access to the clubhouse, for free..."

...more representative eh @Bodhi?

 

[Job]

BTW - mexican children are poor and live even further away.

And thats it in a nutshell..its not about the poor mexicans..its about Trump..because Trumps crying kids get us all stoked up..kids dying because of some leader no one knows...whatever.

 

[DaGaffer]

Te be fair to the guy, the whole point of what he's doing is just to point out that a lot of tariffs don't work both ways - so the US Import tariff on European Cars is much lower the the EU tariff on US cars, for example - all he's trying to do is balance this out. If you recall he did suggest during the G7 summit that they make the G7 a tariff free area,which kind of got lost in all the silly photos and Trudeau wetting the bed.

So I can see what he is doing, however I cannot see for the life of me how jacking up tariffs is going to achieve that.

Bit I find most intriguing is the EU's attitude in all of this. EU to US - tariffs bad, how dare you do this to us? EU to UK - look at all the tariffs heading your way if you don't bend over for us.

First of all, looking at an individual tariff is foolish; for example, to take your car example, the EU charges a 10% tariff on US cars, and the US charges a 2.5% tariff on cars. A terrible imbalance right? Except the US charges a 25% duty on light trucks; and guess where all the volume and margin is the US market? Pickups. The historic variation in duty actually protects the US domestic pickup industry* which is by far the most profitable part of Ford, GM and FCA’s portfolios.

As for your second point, the EU absolutely do not want WTO rules with the U.K. because it hurts them as well, but it doesn’t hurt as much as pick ‘n mix deals that undermine the four freedoms and jeopardise the whole EU project.

(* interestingly the truck duty, called “the chicken tax” in the US, is an example of why protectionist tarrifs are bad news; by keeping out foreign players it made truck making so attractive to US companies that they’ve fallen further and further behind on quality in the car market, which dents export potential and has ceded car production to the Japanese).

 

[Bodhi]

more like UK to EU - "we like our zero tarriff arrangement club that we walked into with open eyes and signed up to in good faith and for very good reasons (preventing war).

However, we want to play by our own rules now, and to be able to, for example, lock hook-handy people up without due process and with regards to the laws we developed together to stymie authoritarian governments.

But that doesn't mean we don't still want access to the clubhouse, for free..."

...more representative eh @Bodhi?

No.

 

[Bodhi]

First of all, looking at an individual tariff is foolish; for example, to take your car example, the EU charges a 10% tariff on US cars, and the US charges a 2.5% tariff on cars. A terrible imbalance right? Except the US charges a 25% duty on light trucks; and guess where all the volume and margin is the US market? Pickups. The historic variation in duty actually protects the US domestic pickup industry* which is by far the most profitable part of Ford, GM and FCA’s portfolios.

As for your second point, the EU absolutely do not want WTO rules with the U.K. because it hurts them as well, but it doesn’t hurt as much as pick ‘n mix deals that undermine the four freedoms and jeopardise the whole EU project.

(* interestingly the truck duty, called “the chicken tax” in the US, is an example of why protectionist tarrifs are bad news; by keeping out foreign players it made truck making so attractive to US companies that they’ve fallen further and further behind on quality in the car market, which dents export potential and has ceded car production to the Japanese).

Cool story bro.

PS you do realise just because u can see what he's trying to do doesn't mean I agree with it?

 

[Scouse]

And thats it in a nutshell..its not about the poor mexicans..its about Trump..because Trumps crying kids get us all stoked up..kids dying because of some leader no one knows...whatever.

As I've already said: I don't give a fuck about Trump. I give z fuck about caging and traumatising children.

It's YOU who doesn't care about them - not other people - because the only thing you care about is that it reflects poorly on your beloved Donald.

What an utter cunt you are. Using the plight of another separate atrocity in an attempt to defend the defenceless.

 

[Scouse]

No.

Actually, yes.

But whatever.

 

[DaGaffer]

Cool story bro.

PS you do realise just because u can see what he's trying to do doesn't mean I agree with it?

You’re the one who brought up the example of cars to show “what he’s trying to do”; I just showed that “what he’s trying to do” doesn’t make any sense the way he’s trying to do it. That’s why nations tend to have trade agreements across a wide range of goods, win here, lose there, but this fuckwit is taking an axe to that because simple-minded populism plays better with his base than complex negotiation. In every example he uses, like protected Canadian dairy farmers for example, it’s because there’s a quid pro quo somewhere else (eg in Canada’s case, military equipment).

The only genuine cause for complaint the US has with any country is China, and even then the trade imbalance with China is self-inflicted because of US protections of investors. Companies have to outsource to China because they’ll be sued for not “maximising shareholder value” if they don’t.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

The problem for America is that Trump has no clue about nuance or subtlety. Skip to 31:25 in this video for an interesting American take on the Harley Davidson story


View: https://youtu.be/FlzKW40PMHU

 

[Wij]

U.S. intelligence believes North Korea making more nuclear bomb...

You can start saying I was right now.

 

[Embattle]

Trump urges Saudis to raise oil output -

 

[caLLous]

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