United States Corrupt Twattery

[Bodhi]

But where from is the question. I know we bring some in by ship. But its not really a mass transporting solution.

Fracking.

 

[Wij]

Fracking.

If it’s there then sure although the green lobby (assisted for purely noble reasons by Russia) will oppose it.

 

[Embattle]

Where does UK gas come from?

 

[Moriath]

Yup so we all rely on Russia anyway. They could freeze europe into submission any winter they wanted before the new german deal.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yup so we all rely on Russia anyway. They could freeze europe into submission any winter they wanted before the new german deal.

Well the UK's exposure to Russian gas is about 15.4% of supply; should be able to counter most of that through efficiency improvements. Germany is far more exposed and given their bonkers commitment to get rid of nuclear altogether, its only going to get worse.

 

[Ormorof]

So Trumps work on destabilizing nato and other allies is even being questioned by republicans now.

Who does it benefit? Well his name starts with P and ends with utin...

But of course its all fake media manipulation and hes really just trying to improve our lives

 

[dysfunction]

I understand his gripe with NATO.

The US does overspend while most others underspend by quite a bit.

I too would be quite annoyed but he could be a bit more diplomatic

 

[DaGaffer]

I understand his gripe with NATO.

The US does overspend while most others underspend by quite a bit.

I too would be quite annoyed but he could be a bit more diplomatic

No, they don’t. This is the fundamental problem with Trump’s argument. Who is the only potential threat to European security (excluding terrorism)? Russia. European NATO spends four times the amount on defence that Russia does. People have gotten fixated on this “2% of GDP” commitment with no understanding of the actual spend, the actual capability versus perceived threat, and why a bald 2% commitment by everyone is a pretty unsophisticated way to run a defence budget.

Then you get into the details; Trump has harangued Germany claiming they could spend their 2% commitment “tomorrow”. On what? The gap between current German spending and the 2% figure is about 20 billion euros a year. So recruit a few hundred thousand troops who sit on base scratching their arses all year? Or buy kit? Which in defence terms takes years or even decades to ramp up, and is the reason why Germany said they wouldn’t hit their (wholly artificial remember) commitment until 2024.

But, but, “America spends way more than 2% protecting deadbeat Europeans” claim the Trumpists. No they don’t. The US spends 4% of GDP to go play cowboy all over the world (their NATO commitment is barely a line item compared to what they’ve spent in the ME and of course,on their nukes), and because the US military is state sponsored job creation scheme.

The whole 2% thing is a farce (Britain and France spend 2% because they want to remain nuclear powers, irrelevant to every other European NATO member) and the real agenda for Trump, as always, is trade. He wants a return to the good old days when Europeans bought tons of US fighter planes. One big German F-35 order and he’d be off to bully his next target. Merkel isn’t a pushover though, and he hates women with a spine.

 

[Scouse]

Yep. It's about arms sales and building up a bigger force that can be used aggressively to enforce foreign policy, not defend us...

 

[Wij]

No, they don’t. This is the fundamental problem with Trump’s argument. Who is the only potential threat to European security (excluding terrorism)? Russia. European NATO spends four times the amount on defence that Russia does. People have gotten fixated on this “2% of GDP” commitment with no understanding of the actual spend, the actual capability versus perceived threat, and why a bald 2% commitment by everyone is a pretty unsophisticated way to run a defence budget.

Then you get into the details; Trump has harangued Germany claiming they could spend their 2% commitment “tomorrow”. On what? The gap between current German spending and the 2% figure is about 20 billion euros a year. So recruit a few hundred thousand troops who sit on base scratching their arses all year? Or buy kit? Which in defence terms takes years or even decades to ramp up, and is the reason why Germany said they wouldn’t hit their (wholly artificial remember) commitment until 2024.

But, but, “America spends way more than 2% protecting deadbeat Europeans” claim the Trumpists. No they don’t. The US spends 4% of GDP to go play cowboy all over the world (their NATO commitment is barely a line item compared to what they’ve spent in the ME and of course,on their nukes), and because the US military is state sponsored job creation scheme.

The whole 2% thing is a farce (Britain and France spend 2% because they want to remain nuclear powers, irrelevant to every other European NATO member) and the real agenda for Trump, as always, is trade. He wants a return to the good old days when Europeans bought tons of US fighter planes. One big German F-35 order and he’d be off to bully his next target. Merkel isn’t a pushover though, and he hates women with a spine.

Actually the US latest figure is 3.5% of GDP on defence and his claim that he signed the biggest defence budget ever is also bullshit. Obama signed a bigger one in 2011. Your main point is correct though. The US defence budget is not all dedicated to European defence by a long chalk. It's all a load of bollocks like most things he says.

Truman and Eisenhower wanted NATO because a peaceful, prosperous Europe was in American interest. They were willing to invest to achieve it because it would be returned several times over. Trump is a short-sighted bellend who is wrecking America's interests worldwide.

 

[Job]

Seriously..hes all over the baby Trump because..quite rightly..its freedom of protest.
One comic post of an inflatable pig and the racist card comes out.
Are they just trolling us now?

Tory MP apologises for tweet of Sadiq Khan image with pig balloon

 

[BloodOmen]

Fucking hell he needs a new wig dealer.

 

[BloodOmen]

Seriously..hes all over the baby Trump because..quite rightly..its freedom of protest.
One comic post of an inflatable pig and the racist card comes out.
Are they just trolling us now?

Tory MP apologises for tweet of Sadiq Khan image with pig balloon

The difference is, the picture in question was a pig shagging sadiq khan.... huuuuuuuge difference between the trump baby and a pig fucking a muslim.


Edit: The picture that was tweeted

 

[Scouse]

The difference is, the picture in question was a pig shagging sadiq khan.... huuuuuuuge difference between the trump baby and a pig fucking a muslim.

Whilst I don't sympathise with @Job's reasons for whining, and I absolutely don't sympathise with the racist tory wanker, I also think that the more important thing here is that it's just another example that we don't have freedom of speech in our shitty country.

 

[BloodOmen]

Whilst I don't sympathise with @Job's reasons for whining, and I absolutely don't sympathise with the racist tory wanker, I also think that the more important thing here is that it's just another example that we don't have freedom of speech in our shitty country.

And we never will sadly. Religion seen to that.

 

[Job]

There is no future for Islam in the west until they stop demanding that we should lose our jobs for offending them

 

[Ormorof]

Whilst I don't sympathise with @Job's reasons for whining, and I absolutely don't sympathise with the racist tory wanker, I also think that the more important thing here is that it's just another example that we don't have freedom of speech in our shitty country.

He tweeted it knowing full well the reaction, he apologized to save his own influence in his party. At no point did anyone force him to remove it. Whole point of freedom of speech is that yes you can say what you want but you must take the personal responsibility that comes with it.

 

[Scouse]

Whole point of freedom of speech is that yes you can say what you want but you must take the personal responsibility that comes with it.

It's not free if you can go to jail for saying things. What you describe is limited speech.

It's not a difficult concept. You are either free to say things, and people are free to ignore you even if you're being a massive racist hate-filled wanker, or you're not. Period.

 

[Gwadien]

Seriously..hes all over the baby Trump because..quite rightly..its freedom of protest.
One comic post of an inflatable pig and the racist card comes out.
Are they just trolling us now?

Tory MP apologises for tweet of Sadiq Khan image with pig balloon

Comic post?

Some things are created with a message behind it.

Some things are created purely for hatred.

This is the latter.

 

[Job]

Yes it is...and the stage is set and the players are taking their positions.
The Torys dont like Islam, Labour doesnt like the jews..the US president, China, Europe, India, Russia, Australia and South America dont like Muslims.
Meanwhile we ate forced to pretend we do...this is going down a very predictable road

 

[Moriath]

Dont think anyone has a problem with main stream Islam. Its the extremists that are the issue.

Projecting your insecurities on to the globe?

 

[Job]

India and Islam...well no brainer..nukes pointed at each other.
China..any religion..batshit religion like Islam is a big no no.
Europe..voting out pro ME immigration politicians en masse.
Russia..Chechyna..say no more.
Australia..stick them on an Island.
South America as catholic as it gets.

 

[Scouse]

Meanwhile we ate forced to pretend we do...this is going down a very predictable road

OK Job. Lets play the game "you're right" - and we do all hate everyone.

What should we do? Exactly. List of actions, not miles of waffle. What do you think we should do, and why?

 

[Wij]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-indicts-12-russian-officers-for-hacking-dems-in-2016?ref=home

Russians did hack Democrats and release the emails. Also Wikileaks ran them specifically with the intention of harming the Clinton campaign.

 

[BloodOmen]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-indicts-12-russian-officers-for-hacking-dems-in-2016?ref=home

Russians did hack Democrats and release the emails. Also Wikileaks ran them specifically with the intention of harming the Clinton campaign.

OOF that's going to hurt.

 

[Gwadien]

Also @Job to reinforce my argument, can you please point out a series of poor decisions that Sadiq Khan has made for London.

Thanks.

 

[Moriath]

Also @Job to reinforce my argument, can you please point out a series of poor decisions that Sadiq Khan has made for London.

Thanks.

I dont live in London. But he hasnt got his crime handling right. Or its just the media blowing the current stats up. One or the other.

 

[Scouse]

I dont live in London. But he hasnt got his crime handling right. Or its just the media blowing the current stats up. One or the other.

Knife crime goes up because of cuts to front-line policing. Since 2010, what's happened?

 

[BloodOmen]

I wouldn't say you can't pin crime on him entirely, crime is more what the tories have done to police funding since 2010, not what Sadiq hasn't done.

 

[Moriath]

I wouldn't say you can't pin crime on him entirely, crime is more what the tories have done to police funding since 2010, not what Sadiq hasn't done.

Its not just down to policing its also the culture the young people are growing up in and that is down to social policy which i think he has some say over. No?

Less police means its harder to procescute and chances of seeing or responding quick enough are diminished. But i dont think its the root cause.