United States Corrupt Twattery

[Job]

They seperate them because a lot of them have no documentatuon..a popular migrant trick obviously and they have no idea if these really are their children..or being traffiked or smply stolen from other family members

 

[Wij]

For fuck's sake. Read the article I posted a couple of days ago. Migration into the US is down. Migrants contribute. They are less likely to be criminals. Given that why go out of your way to treat them like shit to try to deter a problem which isn't much of a problem anyway and is becoming less of one all the time?

The US was built in migration. It's a core American value.

Reagan quote:

The Quotations Page: Quote from Ronald Reagan

 

[Wij]

Who’s Really Crossing the U.S. Border, and Why They’re Coming

Worth a read.

 

[Job]

These are illegal migrants ffs.
Of course migrants and immigrants build and enrich societies.
The situation on the Mexican border is a shit show of drug smuggling, people traffiking and gang warfare.
You cant put emotive simplicity over this.
Thats just typical leftie, migrants are innocent pawns..We spoke to a few who were nice..bolaks.
They are invilving themselves in the chaos by crossing ilegally with kids ffs...and are crying because the kids get upset.

 

[Job]

Restaurant owner who asked Sarah Sanders to leave says she was taking moral stand against Donald Trump

 

[Hawkwind]

MORE horrific than separating children from their parents and putting children in cages? More than that?

Actually, that is due to a judges decision from Obama's era as well. Decision was that if you cross the border illegally you cannot incarcerate the children with their parents. 2008 (?) ruling from the 9th circuit court of appeals "Flores consent decree". The reason it is becoming an issue is due to the zero tolerance mandate from the white house on border apprehension. Anyone or any family group caught crossing illegally will be prosecuted which is then used as a basis for deportation. Previously families were rarely prosecuted. All that changed is the border patrol are following the law.

Ted Cruz says child-parent separations tie to court order

 

[Hawkwind]

was trying to edit but could not. Agree that putting children in cages is abhorrent but the media is blowing this up. They are separated, then segregated and then transported to detention (parents), guardian, friends of family in US or a temporary social care.

The original ruling was from 1997 Flores vs Reno, the appeal happened in 2008

 

[Job]

And the deceit is complete.

You're on your own, US tells Syrian rebels, as Assad goes on offensive

 

[Embattle]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GgQI2pT3eg

 

[Ctuchik]

These are illegal migrants ffs.

So let's take that extremism to the tip shall we.... The entire fucking country are filled with white trash illegal immigrants.... The only people with an actual legal right to be there are native indians....

 

[Job]

Nope..its the grass..the grass was there first.

 

[Wij]

Actually, that is due to a judges decision from Obama's era as well. Decision was that if you cross the border illegally you cannot incarcerate the children with their parents. 2008 (?) ruling from the 9th circuit court of appeals "Flores consent decree". The reason it is becoming an issue is due to the zero tolerance mandate from the white house on border apprehension. Anyone or any family group caught crossing illegally will be prosecuted which is then used as a basis for deportation. Previously families were rarely prosecuted. All that changed is the border patrol are following the law.

Ted Cruz says child-parent separations tie to court order

That's a misleading claim as the article points out.

"The Trump administration’s hands were not forced," Su wrote. "There are multiple ways that separation could be avoided and the nation's interest in immigration adjudication and removal could still be maintained. But the ‘zero tolerance’ policy of detaining and criminally prosecuting all immigrants, even those who arrived with children, is what has led to this."

All that changed is the the way the border patrol are enforcing the law.

Would be a lot more accurate.

 

[Job]

Bad I suppose..but not as bad as crying kids.

Algeria abandons 13,000 migrants in the Sahara | CBC News

 

[Scouse]

You suppose?

The fact that another bad thing exists or is happening doesn't excuse another. At all.

Just because someone is getting raped in somalia doesn't mean the flasher on hampsted heath should be ignored.

But you already know that, and are just being a cunt.

 

[caLLous]

But "wah wah wah people are making a lot of noise about Trump so I must leap to his defence yet again and pretend that people are saying that what he's doing is worse than this".

 

[Job]

No ..Im putting in context his stance.
They are sending kids to their deaths in Algeria...but America has lost the plot for making kids cry.
They are perfectly safe, fed..medical treatment the lot.
I cant even...hipefully this atrocity wilk take over as something for twatter to get upset about..but no it wont..because they live far away and are used to that shit.
The real racism here is the lack of empathy when the victims arent trendy enough.

 

[Scouse]

No ..Im putting in context his stance.

No, you're being a twat.

Nobody alive (apart from maybe you) thinks that what's happening in Algeria isn't disgusting. We just happen to ALSO think what's happening to kids on the border of supposedly the most civilised country on the planet is disgusting too.

I also find the lack of educational services in Liverpool disgusting, but it's of a lesser order than I find the above disgusting. But if they were better then perhaps retards wouldn't be pointing at something that's happening in Algeria, and trying to conflate it with an entirely different, and separate, situation.

BOTH are disgusting. M'kay? But because one is happening in your beloved leader's sphere - in a place that it's very easily solved - you'd like nobody to be talking about it.

 

[Scouse]

Oh fucking lol! It's funny because it's true

 

[Job]

Lets see shall we if they think its disgusting by turning their attention to it..or as is more likely to happen..they sit on their fat asses and go..ooh thats awful..then back to crying kids.

 

[Scouse]

Lets see shall we if they think its disgusting by turning their attention to it..or as is more likely to happen..they sit on their fat asses and go..ooh thats awful..then back to crying kids.

Define "They"?

Should the US Administration be responsible for what's happening A) in the US and it's borders, or B) the whole world?

Should they be responsible for the Rohingya in Myanmar? Or rape in Indonesia?

They're entirely separate incidents.

 

[Job]

You know who 'they' is, you just want to.keep the narrative about Trump.

Anyway hes frickin stopped it so...

 

[Scouse]

You know who 'they' is, you just want to.keep the narrative about Trump

I don't give two shits about Trump @Job. Not even slightly. He's an asshat, yep, but then so were the last two.

I was fucked off with Obama being just a black george dubya with better PR - who prosecuted more whistleblowers than all the other presidents combined whilst failing to close Guantanamo.

But I give a shit about locking kids up in cages. If trump was anything other than an utter cunt then the outrage wouldn't be needed to get any action.

But it is. Because he is. And you go out of your way to suck his orange dick.

 

[Job]

I dont give a fuck either and in reality its the administration who are bringing in these zero tolerance rules..they just have a leader now who doesnt give a fuk about the minority public reaction trying to claim the high ground.
Trump is doing well by by throwing short term fixes at popular grievances..andcyes he is doing very well with his supporters...mainly because they admire his fuk you attitude.

 

[Scouse]

I dont give a fuck either

What a fucking joke.

You fucking LOVE him. It's obvious. Nothing could be clearer because you're one of the "minority" public reactors who love what he's doing.

Problem is, you're just not man enough to admit it. You know you'd get shot down horribly if you didn't at least try to vaguely disguise what you really think. But we all know what you really think. It's the one thing the whole board can agree on - your views. They're transparent.

 

[Ormorof]

Nice snopes fact check on who dunnit regarding passing laws related to current border issues in US

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/does-law-family-separation-detention-minors/

 

[Job]

Even the Guard agrees with me.

How can you condemn Trump but stay silent on British brutality? | Aditya Chakrabortty

 

[DaGaffer]

Even the Guard agrees with me.

How can you condemn Trump but stay silent on British brutality? | Aditya Chakrabortty

People aren't staying quiet on "British brutality"; I seem to remember its already brought the downfall of at least one Home Secretary.

 

[Scouse]

No, @Job, they agree with me:

To scream at the barbarian in the White House, to denounce Italy’s thuggish deputy prime minister Matteo Salvini, to shudder at Hungary’s leader, Viktor Orbán: such acts come easily to decent politicians and pundits. And so they should, because each of these men normalises a racist brutalism.

So, there's the condemnation of the Trumpian arseholes and their asshattery - in an article bringing up stuff that's nothing to do with them.

BOTH things are abhorrent, y'see?

 

[Hawkwind]

That's a misleading claim as the article points out.





Would be a lot more accurate.

Fair point but when you risk getting sued you take the less risky past. They only used to separate if an additional crime was committed, drug mules etc. Now they are applying the law that was always there no matter what. They have the right to do that but absolutely the way its implemented is wrong.

Mexico is far from absolved in any of this. They actively promote the exodus providing details on how to gain entry and what to say to the border officers. US is Mexico's social care system. The main political candidate for the election has publicly said that it's everyone's right to live in the US! Completely bonkers and just winds up the US.

 

[Scouse]

Mexico is far from absolved in any of this. They actively promote the exodus providing details on how to gain entry and what to say to the border officers. US is Mexico's social care system. The main political candidate for the election has publicly said that it's everyone's right to live in the US! Completely bonkers and just winds up the US.

Nobody is saying Mexico is blameless in creating the situation. Not for a second.

However, the US is entirely responsible for their response. If a dick in a pub starts trolling about Hillsborough deaths and laughing when you go out of the champion's league final - like @Job said he did recently - then that makes them a dick. If you choose to punch the fuckers' lights out for it then that's your chosen response and entirely your responsibility. It makes both of you dicks.

The fact that the US has chosen to separate five year olds from their parents and keep them in cages is entirely the US's fault. Mexican cunts or not.