United States Corrupt Twattery

[BloodOmen]

is = us*

 

[Bodhi]

I'm sorry, but whilst the prospect of keeping children in cages in quite horrific, the fact that this has been going on for years and people are only outraged now because Trump is involved is probably more horrific. Where was the outrage when the Deporter in Chief was doing it? Add in the fact that most of it seems to be based on a misrepresented photo and one which was a flat out fabrication makes the entire thing pretty distasteful tbh.

There's also the possibility that if you want to claim asylum in the US and not be separated from your family there are plenty of official ways of doing that - probably not too popular with people smugglers, but will be useful for genuine cases I would have thought. But then if you're telling me we can just bypass US Immigration and enjoy more rights than the people who live there that works for me - will save me hours getting through LAX.

 

[Scouse]

So politicians acting like politicians have always done is more horiffic than keeping kids in cages eh @Bodhi?

Politics > Kids In Cages.

Riiiiiiiight....

 

[Job]

It descends into camps..left against right.
The right thinks these are necessary measure to conserve law and order, the left think emotion shoulf stay their hand.
These are ILLEGAL migrants, they are using the children as political hostages...its THEIR fault, not the US authorities.
They are playing the left like idiots, because they jump to virtu signalling to get leverage against the republicans.
Crying kids?
You dont think ripping them from their homes and marching them illegally across the border at night is not traumatic.
The way the press is portraying it, you woukd think the Americans are kidnapping the kids.
They are way safer in those detention camps.

 

[Scouse]

So separating kids from their parents and keeping them in cages is a proportionate response?

What an utter cunt you are.

 

[Bodhi]

So politicians acting like politicians have always done is more horiffic than keeping kids in cages eh @Bodhi?

Politics > Kids In Cages.

Riiiiiiiight....

I'd say turning a blind eye to it all because everyone likes the guy in charge, then using it as a stick to beat the next guy in charge is pretty horrific yes.

I mean the pictures from 2014 look pretty damned similar to 2018, no?

Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went viral showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same

I would search through the forums for when you were up in arms about it then, but I suspect it would be fruitless.

Then you've got nonsense like this:

The truth behind this photo of an 'immigrant child' crying inside a cage - CNN

Good old bit of media manipulation to tug on the heart strings - that we didn't get in 2014....

Personally I think crossing a border illegally with your kids is cuntish parenting of the highest order, as you are the one putting them in that position. If you're fleeing persecution then go to the border/embassy and claim asylum, if you want to move for work, do it properly. Don't however, commit a felony in the US then get surprised when the authorities take a dim view.

 

[Scouse]

I'd say turning a blind eye to it all because everyone likes the guy in charge, then using it as a stick to beat the next guy in charge is pretty horrific yes.

MORE horrific than separating children from their parents and putting children in cages? More than that?


Personally, I don't give a fuck about Trump. I never gave a fuck about Obama (I think he was just a black George Dubya) and I didn't like Dubya either. What I am outraged about (and I am outraged, quite rightly) is that the US is putting kids in cages. Which is fucking despicable.

I don't give a fuck when it started. I don't give a fuck if it's being used as a stick to beat Trump with - who cares - what needs to happen is the kids need to be taken out of their cages and reunited with their parents.

Anyone who thinks anything is more important than that, at this point, is an utter fucking hound of a human being. Period.




ENTIRELY separately from the above (considered not even responding - because the above is the important thing, not this shit below):

Personally I think crossing a border illegally with your kids is cuntish parenting of the highest order, as you are the one putting them in that position. If you're fleeing persecution then go to the border/embassy and claim asylum, if you want to move for work, do it properly. Don't however, commit a felony in the US then get surprised when the authorities take a dim view.

If the embassy is always going to say no, and you're desparate, maybe because you're in fear for your childrens lives, then you pick 'em up and move.

You can fully expect the authorities to take a "dim view". But you're a cunt for saying the separation and caging of children is a "dim view". It's not a fucking dim view. It's an abhorrant, inhumane form of torture. Of children.

You cunt.

 

[Bodhi]

MORE horrific than separating children from their parents and putting children in cages? More than that?


Personally, I don't give a fuck about Trump. I never gave a fuck about Obama (I think he was just a black George Dubya) and I didn't like Dubya either. What I am outraged about (and I am outraged, quite rightly) is that the US is putting kids in cages. Which is fucking despicable.

I don't give a fuck when it started. I don't give a fuck if it's being used as a stick to beat Trump with - who cares - what needs to happen is the kids need to be taken out of their cages and reunited with their parents.

Anyone who thinks anything is more important than that, at this point, is an utter fucking hound of a human being. Period.




ENTIRELY separately from the above (considered not even responding - because the above is the important thing, not this shit below):

If the embassy is always going to say no, and you're desparate, maybe because you're in fear for your childrens lives, then you pick 'em up and move.

You can fully expect the authorities to take a "dim view". But you're a cunt for saying the separation and caging of children is a "dim view". It's not a fucking dim view. It's an abhorrant, inhumane form of torture. Of children.

You cunt.

Sorry but responsibility of care for the children falls on the parents, and if they are going to be idiotic enough to try jumping the border with them in tow, or hand them off to a people smuggler, knowing full well what will happen when you do, that makes you a complete and utter cunt. That might offend your "feels", but frankly my dear, I couldn't give a shit.

Don't want your kids taken from you? Simple, don't jump the border.

 

[Wij]

I'd say turning a blind eye to it all because everyone likes the guy in charge, then using it as a stick to beat the next guy in charge is pretty horrific yes.

I mean the pictures from 2014 look pretty damned similar to 2018, no?

Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went viral showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same

I would search through the forums for when you were up in arms about it then, but I suspect it would be fruitless.

Then you've got nonsense like this:

The truth behind this photo of an 'immigrant child' crying inside a cage - CNN

Good old bit of media manipulation to tug on the heart strings - that we didn't get in 2014....

Personally I think crossing a border illegally with your kids is cuntish parenting of the highest order, as you are the one putting them in that position. If you're fleeing persecution then go to the border/embassy and claim asylum, if you want to move for work, do it properly. Don't however, commit a felony in the US then get surprised when the authorities take a dim view.

Big difference still exists the the Obama-era photos show unaccompanied kids being held while they try to find their parents. They were not deliberately separated from their parents by the administration. Looks similar but morally a different thing altogether.

 

[Scouse]

Don't want your kids taken from you? Simple, don't jump the border.

Risk them maybe being murdered instead, right?

@Bodhi: The apologist for child torture.

 

[Bodhi]

Sorry m8, wrong pigeon hole. I'm in the one that just thinks you are a massive bellend.

 

[Scouse]

You're in the one that considers caging kids an acceptable solution, when it isn't, in any civilised country.

You have chosen not to condemn it. Regardless of how you feel about the parents and their actions your responses clearly imply that you're OK with the action of caging five year olds. Kids who know fuck all about anything, haven't got the wherewithall to understand what's going on around them, who not only don't have a choice, but aren't old enough to be capable of taking a choice if they had one - who will absolutely be traumatised by the enforced split and caging.

That is unacceptable. Responsibility of care for the vulnerable not only falls on parents but on all of society. It's a fucking no-brainer. Amoeba probably understand that.

I may well be a bellend - but thinking that policy is OK, being more concerned about Trump and his image than unnecessary and easily preventable trauma suffered by thousands of children - makes you dirt.

 

[Wij]

Illegal border crossing is a first-offence misdemeanour anyway. Not an actual felony like lying on an SF86 form or money laundering or witness tampering.

 

[Scouse]

Illegal border crossing is a first-offence misdemeanour anyway. Not an actual felony like lying on an SF86 form or money laundering or witness tampering.

According to Bodhi "trying for a better life in a country built on immigration" is tantamount to murder.

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Or, come here and we'll fucking cage your kids, you cunts.

 

[Gwadien]

Lines drawn in sand>humanity

I have an idea, instead of investing billions in ways to stop people travelling to richer lands, maybe we can invest billions in fixing their countries.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

No one says that Obama was perfect, and there are some similarities between parts of their policies, but there are some very large and important differences.

Interesting comparison in this article

Family separation was new, but Trump’s new border policy is an Obama throwback

 

[Gwadien]

'It’s not that no family was ever separated at the border under the Obama administration. But former Obama administration officials specify that families were separated only in particular circumstances — for instance, if a father was carrying drugs — that went above and beyond a typical case of illegal entry.'

Family separation was new, but Trump’s new border policy is an Obama throwback

Kids turn into deviants into those conditions.

They turn into gangsters living across the border from the US

Soon I think the US-Mexico border will look like this...


View: https://youtu.be/tL__DdzmC_g?t=250

 

[Rubber Bullets]

Family separation was new, but Trump’s new border policy is an Obama throwback

I didn't type this, it is just what was automatically attached to the link I posted. Whilst, I guess, strictly accurate it doesn't sum up the main feeling of the article.

 

[Wij]

Sorry but responsibility of care for the children falls on the parents, and if they are going to be idiotic enough to try jumping the border with them in tow, or hand them off to a people smuggler, knowing full well what will happen when you do, that makes you a complete and utter cunt. That might offend your "feels", but frankly my dear, I couldn't give a shit.

Don't want your kids taken from you? Simple, don't jump the border.

Breitbart talking-points aren't helping here. Firstly, as mentioned above, what happened under Obama was different entirely.

Secondly, as regards break-the-law-accept-the-consequences, this is somewhat missing the point. Trump is going all out to blame the current laws and say that therefore congress (the legislature) needs to fix it but it has little to do with the law. It's about how you enforce the law. How you enforce the law is a policy, not a law. Congress make laws, policies are made by the executive, headed by the president.

Laws are enforced in many different ways but people break all kinds of laws without being separated from their kids and interned. Vote Leave broke the law. The election commission just said so. They didn't break 'rules' they broke the actual law. Leave.EU will be found the same. You don't see Farage, Banks and Wigmore having their kids put in cages do you? You don't see Jared Kushner's kids in a cage do you?

The Trump admin aren't very clever about hiding it either. They call it a zero-tolerance-policy. It sits entirely with Trump and Stephen Miller who is a sad, racist little prick.

The reason they wanted to make it appear like the legislature had to fix it was to try to get an immigration bill passed which would include funding for the Mexico wall. Literally holding children to ransom to get funding for a fucking stupid campaign promise that they actually said Mexico would pay for.

Miller and Trump are fucking turds. Dumb, petty, inadequate turds.

 

[BloodOmen]

Just had the best conversation ever with a group of chavs from my family that voted leave, it went something like this


chav 1 "can't believe that fucking EU is going to start charging us to go on holiday like!"
me "well, what the fuck did you expect? that they'd just bend over and take it up the arse while you mongs and other mongs are wanting to pull England away from the EU?"
chav 2 "yes, i pay my taxes, the eu should be begging us"
me "why? why should they be begging us? we need them more than they need us"
chav 1 "no, they need us more, we give them most of their money"
me "who the fuck told you that?"
chav 3 "that light haired bloke, whats his name... boris donson?"
me "get the fuck out"

there has never been a facepalm big enough

 

[BloodOmen]

Annnd this was the wrong thread, just realised - was menat for the Europe thread.

 

[Wij]

Annnd this was the wrong thread, just realised - was menat for the Europe thread.

Both threads cover the whole 'stupid fucking shit that dumb cunts voted for' topic.

 

[Lakih]

'Stupid fucking shit' is a pretty good description of the thread

 

[Bodhi]

You're in the one that considers caging kids an acceptable solution, when it isn't, in any civilised country.

You have chosen not to condemn it. Regardless of how you feel about the parents and their actions your responses clearly imply that you're OK with the action of caging five year olds. Kids who know fuck all about anything, haven't got the wherewithall to understand what's going on around them, who not only don't have a choice, but aren't old enough to be capable of taking a choice if they had one - who will absolutely be traumatised by the enforced split and caging.

That is unacceptable. Responsibility of care for the vulnerable not only falls on parents but on all of society. It's a fucking no-brainer. Amoeba probably understand that.

I may well be a bellend - but thinking that policy is OK, being more concerned about Trump and his image than unnecessary and easily preventable trauma suffered by thousands of children - makes you dirt.

Um, I condemned it in the first line of my first post on the subject, unless you speak some weird version of English where "pretty horrific" is a compliment?

 

[Bodhi]

Breitbart talking-points aren't helping here. Firstly, as mentioned above, what happened under Obama was different entirely.

Secondly, as regards break-the-law-accept-the-consequences, this is somewhat missing the point. Trump is going all out to blame the current laws and say that therefore congress (the legislature) needs to fix it but it has little to do with the law. It's about how you enforce the law. How you enforce the law is a policy, not a law. Congress make laws, policies are made by the executive, headed by the president.

Laws are enforced in many different ways but people break all kinds of laws without being separated from their kids and interned. Vote Leave broke the law. The election commission just said so. They didn't break 'rules' they broke the actual law. Leave.EU will be found the same. You don't see Farage, Banks and Wigmore having their kids put in cages do you? You don't see Jared Kushner's kids in a cage do you?

The Trump admin aren't very clever about hiding it either. They call it a zero-tolerance-policy. It sits entirely with Trump and Stephen Miller who is a sad, racist little prick.

The reason they wanted to make it appear like the legislature had to fix it was to try to get an immigration bill passed which would include funding for the Mexico wall. Literally holding children to ransom to get funding for a fucking stupid campaign promise that they actually said Mexico would pay for.

Miller and Trump are fucking turds. Dumb, petty, inadequate turds.

Not entirely sure what Breitbarts position on the matter is as I don't read it, but I completely disagree that this is any different to what Obama was doing - he separated something like 90K kids from their families and deported 3 million, yet the outrage seemed entirely muted.

And if separating kids from families is a policy, I can't see that's it's being followed to the letter. The Little girl from the time cover for instance, was never separated from her parents, even though her mum had already been deported in 2013. Second time caught is an automatic felony, which results is separation from family, yet in this case it didn't happen.

So, as ever, I suspect both sides of the story are full of shit and the answer is in the middle somewhere, but everyone's too busy using kids as propaganda to figure it out.

Le sigh.

 

[Embattle]

UN condemns Trump administration for exacerbating US poverty levels

 

[DaGaffer]

Not entirely sure what Breitbarts position on the matter is as I don't read it, but I completely disagree that this is any different to what Obama was doing - he separated something like 90K kids from their families and deported 3 million, yet the outrage seemed entirely muted.

And if separating kids from families is a policy, I can't see that's it's being followed to the letter. The Little girl from the time cover for instance, was never separated from her parents, even though her mum had already been deported in 2013. Second time caught is an automatic felony, which results is separation from family, yet in this case it didn't happen.

So, as ever, I suspect both sides of the story are full of shit and the answer is in the middle somewhere, but everyone's too busy using kids as propaganda to figure it out.

Le sigh.

The Obama policy didn't separate families, unaccompanied kids were caged, they weren't split from their parents at the border; the current policy has a fundamental difference because its intentionally cruel. Its designed to inflict maximal trauma to ensure migrants don't try to cross again.

NB, you have some First World attitudes that shall we say...lack empathy? Parents taking kids across the border aren't doing it for shits and giggles. Believe it or not, crossing the US border is the less risky option for someone from some barrio in Honduras. Does that mean the US don't have the right to protect their borders? Of course not, but maximal cuntishness doesn't have to go with it.

 

[Job]

Tiresome innit
We wont seperate you from your kids..only way to do that is not to arrest the parent.
Back to other side of the border.
'Hey everybody. bring a kid..any kid..they cant arrest you.
Thats why they are swamped with kids.
Liberals be like..yeah I know theyre taking the piss, but what can we do, the kids are crying.

 

[DaGaffer]

Tiresome innit
We wont seperate you from your kids..only way to do that is not to arrest the parent.
Back to other side of the border.
'Hey everybody. bring a kid..any kid..they cant arrest you.
Thats why they are swamped with kids.
Liberals be like..yeah I know theyre taking the piss, but what can we do, the kids are crying.

Except, oh, not true. They can lock the kids up with their parents, as they're now starting to do.

 

[Gwadien]

Tiresome innit
We wont seperate you from your kids..only way to do that is not to arrest the parent.
Back to other side of the border.
'Hey everybody. bring a kid..any kid..they cant arrest you.
Thats why they are swamped with kids.
Liberals be like..yeah I know theyre taking the piss, but what can we do, the kids are crying.

There's absolutely no reason why the US or any first world country can't temporarily home a few hundred families in proper housing facilities which provides most of the basic needs including education.

Then invest billions into other countries...