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Imagien being a solo caster
Imagien being a solo caster
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LOL @ GRIMSTER
You ever seen Pain in action? Its pitiful. Poetry in motion my ass - more like a bunch of clueless n00bs charging in!
Hehehe - thats made my day. Still giggling over that.
You ever seen Pain in action? Its pitiful. Poetry in motion my ass - more like a bunch of clueless n00bs charging in!
Hehehe - thats made my day. Still giggling over that.
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-RG-Jaond
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You are the clueless n00b here, go back to "solo" at amg with your boyfriends and get the hell out of here.
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Gordonax
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1.65 isn't it?
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Tut tut jaond.
Seriously though - have you ever watched Pain? They can't be serious if they think they're a 'well oiled machine'! I'm still chuckling over that post - damn its funny!
Seriously though - have you ever watched Pain? They can't be serious if they think they're a 'well oiled machine'! I'm still chuckling over that post - damn its funny!
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Pain is the best 4-5 group with stealthers, i have seen them take out fg with alb stealthers without anyone dying.
But ofc they dont stand a chance to your 1fg+ at amg kinda hard when scouts snipers on walls.
But ofc they dont stand a chance to your 1fg+ at amg kinda hard when scouts snipers on walls.
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And just looking at Hrofts list - some points are valid, however some are less so:
1. Str/Con debuffs effect our weapon skill more then it does our Albion/Hibernia counter-parts due to the fact that we can ONLY specialize in a strength based weapon.
This is a valid concern, however implementation of a dex debuff will hurt SBs more as NS and infils will use both str/com and dex on their targets. The answer perhaps is to remove str/con debuff from mid and replace with a qui/dex debuff. However addition of a thrust line invalidates this need.
2. We can only choose one damage type, Slash, which does not give us the advantage our counterparts have. We have no primary targets that are vulnerable to our ONLY possible damage type. However we frequently run across Infiltrators and Nightshades that have the option to specialize in a damage type that we are vulnerable to and we are not afforded such a benefit. The classes that we DO have an advantage against (weak to Slash) are not classes we were made to kill these classes include:
-Heros, Wardens, Champions, Druids.
None of these classes are the type of class in which we would normally find away from a large group and because of this these classes are rarely in our crosshairs. Meanwhile our natural targets fit into 2 categories, Neutral to slash and Resistant to slash:
Neutral Targets- Cloth casters, Minstrels, Scouts, Infiltrators.
Resistant Targets- Rangers, Nightshades.
What good does it do us if ALL of our “Natural” targets are either neutral to or resistant to our ONLY available damage type? Meanwhile, for our counterparts in Albion/Hibernia, the tables are turned because they have the OPTION of specializing in a damage type to fit their intended targets. We only want some kind of equality in this field.
A thrust line seems fair, but if introduced sword or axe should be removed.
3. We have no option of a Str/Dex based weapon (see #1) this is insane due to the fact that our primary and secondary stats are Dex/Quick, inherently giving us lower weapon skill then our Albion/Hibernian counterparts, especially hurting our Kobald/Valk brothers and sisters.
As above - add a thrust line. However if you do the need for point 1 - a dex debuff becomes invalid.
4. We are the only assassin class without a “Stun off evade” the problem is our counterparts can evade an attack and stun then proceed to use off evade styles that use less endurance, we however have to reposition wasting valuable stun time or use an opening style using valuable endurance. Also our ONLY stun style being second in an evade chain gives us a much lower chance of getting it off, being as we have more of an a chance to be evaded/miss/be blocked/parried and lowering our chance to even get our stun off. And please please PLEASE let me stress to you how important the ability to stun is.
Yes this is less advantageous than NS/Infils, however the compensator is that LA swings ever time. Its a tradeoff.
5. By the way that Left Axe works we are FORCED to specialize in it to an equal level as our main hand specialization to keep our duel wield damage up. Thus we have to either keep our weapon Specialization low, giving us a lower weapon skill then our counterparts or forcing us to abandon a skill that our counterparts do not have to do. So in short we feel as if we need more specialization points in order to keep our weapon skill up to par with our Albion/Hibernia counterparts.
I'm not convinced by this argument - the numbers I've seen show comparable damage from LA/DW/CD at comparable spec - plus the consistency of LA mechanics is nice. Additional spec points mean goodbye to your 'fluff' - so no extra hits and no free 2H option.
6. Our realm abilities are inferior to our counterparts. To say it simply some of my fellow Shadowblades have been joking that since 1.62 went live we need “Shadowrun” in order to get away from the superior Infiltrators and Nightshades. How sad is that? Simply to say the least we feel as if our special realm ability is less then desirable
Agreed - provided Vanish is fixed at the same time. At the moment its so bugged shadowrun is a better option!
So basically the answer is - add a thrust/pierce line and a reasonable RA and all is fair.
1. Str/Con debuffs effect our weapon skill more then it does our Albion/Hibernia counter-parts due to the fact that we can ONLY specialize in a strength based weapon.
This is a valid concern, however implementation of a dex debuff will hurt SBs more as NS and infils will use both str/com and dex on their targets. The answer perhaps is to remove str/con debuff from mid and replace with a qui/dex debuff. However addition of a thrust line invalidates this need.
2. We can only choose one damage type, Slash, which does not give us the advantage our counterparts have. We have no primary targets that are vulnerable to our ONLY possible damage type. However we frequently run across Infiltrators and Nightshades that have the option to specialize in a damage type that we are vulnerable to and we are not afforded such a benefit. The classes that we DO have an advantage against (weak to Slash) are not classes we were made to kill these classes include:
-Heros, Wardens, Champions, Druids.
None of these classes are the type of class in which we would normally find away from a large group and because of this these classes are rarely in our crosshairs. Meanwhile our natural targets fit into 2 categories, Neutral to slash and Resistant to slash:
Neutral Targets- Cloth casters, Minstrels, Scouts, Infiltrators.
Resistant Targets- Rangers, Nightshades.
What good does it do us if ALL of our “Natural” targets are either neutral to or resistant to our ONLY available damage type? Meanwhile, for our counterparts in Albion/Hibernia, the tables are turned because they have the OPTION of specializing in a damage type to fit their intended targets. We only want some kind of equality in this field.
A thrust line seems fair, but if introduced sword or axe should be removed.
3. We have no option of a Str/Dex based weapon (see #1) this is insane due to the fact that our primary and secondary stats are Dex/Quick, inherently giving us lower weapon skill then our Albion/Hibernian counterparts, especially hurting our Kobald/Valk brothers and sisters.
As above - add a thrust line. However if you do the need for point 1 - a dex debuff becomes invalid.
4. We are the only assassin class without a “Stun off evade” the problem is our counterparts can evade an attack and stun then proceed to use off evade styles that use less endurance, we however have to reposition wasting valuable stun time or use an opening style using valuable endurance. Also our ONLY stun style being second in an evade chain gives us a much lower chance of getting it off, being as we have more of an a chance to be evaded/miss/be blocked/parried and lowering our chance to even get our stun off. And please please PLEASE let me stress to you how important the ability to stun is.
Yes this is less advantageous than NS/Infils, however the compensator is that LA swings ever time. Its a tradeoff.
5. By the way that Left Axe works we are FORCED to specialize in it to an equal level as our main hand specialization to keep our duel wield damage up. Thus we have to either keep our weapon Specialization low, giving us a lower weapon skill then our counterparts or forcing us to abandon a skill that our counterparts do not have to do. So in short we feel as if we need more specialization points in order to keep our weapon skill up to par with our Albion/Hibernia counterparts.
I'm not convinced by this argument - the numbers I've seen show comparable damage from LA/DW/CD at comparable spec - plus the consistency of LA mechanics is nice. Additional spec points mean goodbye to your 'fluff' - so no extra hits and no free 2H option.
6. Our realm abilities are inferior to our counterparts. To say it simply some of my fellow Shadowblades have been joking that since 1.62 went live we need “Shadowrun” in order to get away from the superior Infiltrators and Nightshades. How sad is that? Simply to say the least we feel as if our special realm ability is less then desirable
Agreed - provided Vanish is fixed at the same time. At the moment its so bugged shadowrun is a better option!
So basically the answer is - add a thrust/pierce line and a reasonable RA and all is fair.
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Shadowblades with thrust resist leather attacking slash neutral Infils should own them all things being equal.
Thats not how it is now, and why is that? DF4tahwin!!111
Thats not how it is now, and why is that? DF4tahwin!!111
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"Pain is the best 4-5 group with stealthers, i have seen them take out fg with alb stealthers without anyone dying.
But ofc they dont stand a chance to your 1fg+ at amg kinda hard when scouts snipers on walls."
Dear god - if they're the best you've seen Midgard must be in a pretty bad state.
But ofc they dont stand a chance to your 1fg+ at amg kinda hard when scouts snipers on walls."
Dear god - if they're the best you've seen Midgard must be in a pretty bad state.
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10p that any of the sbs in Pain beat you even with purge down
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Didn't say I was any good But from my normal position (ie flat on the floor) I get to see good groups and bad ones. And they certainly ain't the former.
And wish I had 10p....
But I've seen Pain - they're pretty poor. And I've gone against them in a pickup group of low rr infils/scouts who aren't used to grouping and working with each other and beaten them repeatedly.
Also not sure if it was PAin who made it to AMG last night as a fg hunters/SBs and managed to drop 2-3 solo Infils before losing half their group to snipers/non-stealth stragglers turning up at amg, and the rest turning tail and camping dcx road before falling back to mmg.
If they're the best mids got you need to get recruiting/training and fast.
But from my normal position (ie flat on the floor) I get to see good groups and bad ones. And they certainly ain't the former.And wish I had 10p....
But I've seen Pain - they're pretty poor. And I've gone against them in a pickup group of low rr infils/scouts who aren't used to grouping and working with each other and beaten them repeatedly.
Also not sure if it was PAin who made it to AMG last night as a fg hunters/SBs and managed to drop 2-3 solo Infils before losing half their group to snipers/non-stealth stragglers turning up at amg, and the rest turning tail and camping dcx road before falling back to mmg.
If they're the best mids got you need to get recruiting/training and fast.
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Originally posted by donttouchpoopy
Didn't say I was any good
Tell me name on your infil
Would be fun to know when im fighting you
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For a moment I almost felt sorry for you. Then I remembered the 6 months before the patch. I reckon another 5 months or so before you should even begin to think about being justified in complaining.
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Only 1 from Pain that play now is Grimster.
Me and Alein has taken a break from the game and Zalaz&Daragoth play on another server but as allways all mid stealthers that comes in a grp is Pain.
Me and Alein has taken a break from the game and Zalaz&Daragoth play on another server but as allways all mid stealthers that comes in a grp is Pain.
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Thats why I wasn't sure - they sucked even more than you do.
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dont think u have the right to say that some 1 suck u dont even dare to say your char name.
u are just a glottis wanna be
u are just a glottis wanna be
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What lvl is your ns now?
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What right do I have to say Pain sucks?
Errr - I've seen you? And yes - you suck. Hard. Real hard. Harder than your momma with the postman.
(And read back re char name)
Errr - I've seen you? And yes - you suck. Hard. Real hard. Harder than your momma with the postman.
(And read back re char name)
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knoll
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u can say what ever u like but dont blame others if u cant play the game ie suck hard as u do.
u got all the tools playing a inf 2.5 specc points con/str debuff dragonfang.
how do u know that FG of mid stealthers as u say where grouped ?
maybe they all solo just go together trying to pass that wall of alb stealthers camping amg ?
any way u know everything and u know exactly how it is to play mid stealthers.
and by your own words.
u got all the tools playing a inf 2.5 specc points con/str debuff dragonfang.
how do u know that FG of mid stealthers as u say where grouped ?
maybe they all solo just go together trying to pass that wall of alb stealthers camping amg ?
any way u know everything and u know exactly how it is to play mid stealthers.
and by your own words.
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when have u taken that holidays humb? cause i have seen u recently and zalaz and daragoth they were last weak at least for sure playing in excal
gl all
gl all
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knoll
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last week yes but not this week havent been playing whole week.
cant say if they jump in from time to time though
tired on daoc as it is now giving SWG another shoot and trying to pass my time the best i can without looking at DAOC.
DAOC aint funny any more its just a bad habbit i think
cant say if they jump in from time to time though
tired on daoc as it is now giving SWG another shoot and trying to pass my time the best i can without looking at DAOC.
DAOC aint funny any more its just a bad habbit i think
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I forget you're Swedish and I have to use short words knoll so:
I wasn't complaining.
I stand by that statement.
The point was - they were bad. So bad it was funny to watch. And I believe they were grouped as they were attempting to coordinate, and when the survivors ran from amg they reformed on dcx road, then fell back and operated from mmg.
I wasn't complaining.
I stand by that statement.
The point was - they were bad. So bad it was funny to watch. And I believe they were grouped as they were attempting to coordinate, and when the survivors ran from amg they reformed on dcx road, then fell back and operated from mmg.
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tbh donttouch your just a forum troll looking to cause flames.
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knoll
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aka Glottis
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Possibly.
Possibly not.
Depends what mood I'm in.
(And tbh - knoll does tend to misunderstand quite a lot)
Possibly not.
Depends what mood I'm in.
(And tbh - knoll does tend to misunderstand quite a lot)
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Eet_Sjet
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Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Always fun to catch one of these "solo" infils just outside amg he dont even care to fight back but run to amg just to turn back and fight when the other "soloers" coming to add.
Such 1337 solo skills
Play a overpowerd class and "solo" the enemy 8 v 1 thats true alb/exc skill.
har har har... fool ? maybe... retard ? definately!
I played infil be4 odins were zerged, and when SBs had overpwred LA... never once did I meet a solo SB ! l33t skillz u ask ? well, he lived and the sb didnt... so yea, idd say l33t skillz!
stfu n00b!
edit: Meduza here btw, on work account
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Originally posted by Eet_Sjet
har har har... fool ? maybe... retard ? definately!
I played infil be4 odins were zerged, and when SBs had overpwred LA... never once did I meet a solo SB ! l33t skillz u ask ? well, he lived and the sb didnt... so yea, idd say l33t skillz!
stfu n00b!
edit: Meduza here btw, on work account
So you forgot our 1v1 in odins kinda fast did you?
Lets say I understand why you try to forget it :kissit:
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asphyxiation/tiffy is a really old player. When i first hit emain i remmber seeing him with sub and madeleine owning fgs.. thing is the game is not at all like that anymore... The server is too crowded even more with stealthers nowdays, and even if you see a low rank enemy even if he makes mistakes its hard to take him down fast cause of spellcrafted items\ procs and all giving time to his fellow stealthers etc to run for help. I have personally given up, even solo targets at mmg-mtk are hard there is allmost everytime a sb/huinter or fg passing by that time and eventually i ll get zerged time is short and our dmg compared to the new patches hit points is pathetic... dont tell me about inf grps and sbs grps. The duel is totally loto. 3 attack 3 if 3 attack one and the other 3 attack one well those guys have no chance of surviving.. its skilless but ppl seem to like it.