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should be "of course"
should be "of course"
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hotrat
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Well garbannoch/domain ran my posted group and it worked very well, awesome healing power and magic damage (from relics) and a guardbot each for the 2 casters.
Your group sounds ok as well but only 1 guard bot for so many weak classes, and no warden for body resist buff.
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Glottis_Xanadu
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You are absolutely right, sorry.
Didn't realise this was a spelling contest, would have paid more attention.
Regards, Glottis
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etcetra
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strong farming by Aussie.
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sorusi
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warden - does NOTHING vs these "fotm" grps you all whine about.
2heros - 1 is enuff, haveing another guard bot wont do it, its ALOT better to have another enchanter that can actacully deal damage.
now instead of these 2 insert chanters and you can use range nukes too + ALOT more pbaoe power..
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well imo this group u suggest is to fragile on exc.
on pryd where u have more time and less fights with big guilds prolly u can play it..
on pryd where u have more time and less fights with big guilds prolly u can play it..
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Originally posted by Jiggs
whats the point, we go out primetime we got to fight 4-5 FoTM savage guild groups all after one another, its exactly NO fun at all, even tho we win our fair share its just fecking dull.
i see from the comments of the top hib guilds they are pretty much on the same opinion, so enjoy your farming, see you post hastedebuff-nerf
exactly - today was a perfect example: run to emain 5 times - get killed by fotm or get zerged
only groups you meet are 3 healer/2-3savage groups... and it's getting boring; if you dont have all RAs up you can forget it - if all RAs are up you might stand a chance if the God-of-quad is not watching the savages...
no point RvRing currently - luckily i wont be on for a while again
to hibs and albs: plz zerg the crap out of mids - kthx
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We tried, but seems NP now stepped down their "we don't zerg, only alb noobs do" throne, and are trying to rape even the Emain grannies using 3fg and 1 fg of rg as random noob adds.
Will be tough to beat 4 fg filled with savage noobs and perfect recovery healers
Atleast I still have /rude macro for those noobs when they run by feeling elite.
Regards, Glottis
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u really wub us dont u glottis
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Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
We tried, but seems NP now stepped down their "we don't zerg, only alb noobs do" throne, and are trying to rape even the Emain grannies using 3fg and 1 fg of rg as random noob adds.
Will be tough to beat 4 fg filled with savage noobs and perfect recovery healers
Atleast I still have /rude macro for those noobs when they run by feeling elite.
Regards, Glottis
so, 150 albs cant beat 4 fgs?
something weird
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Try to look at it this way instead.
for example myself. I don't belong to a pure rvr guild and I suck at rvr, i have a healer (mend specced) and that meaning NO FOTM as it's the way I think a healer are ment to be.
There are a few guilds in Mid that primarly do RvR such as NP, JH, Pandora, RG.
And the same goes for Hib and Alb.
They represent maybe 3-5% of the population on all servers yet their performance reflects the whole realm? They make groups best suited for topend rvr and still some of u put the blame on the whole realms.
Catch my drift?
The game is all about having fun and in the end we do.
Don't know if it made any sense just felt that i had to vent my opinion on all the whines about nerf this and nerf that.
for example myself. I don't belong to a pure rvr guild and I suck at rvr, i have a healer (mend specced) and that meaning NO FOTM as it's the way I think a healer are ment to be.
There are a few guilds in Mid that primarly do RvR such as NP, JH, Pandora, RG.
And the same goes for Hib and Alb.
They represent maybe 3-5% of the population on all servers yet their performance reflects the whole realm? They make groups best suited for topend rvr and still some of u put the blame on the whole realms.
Catch my drift?
The game is all about having fun and in the end we do.
Don't know if it made any sense just felt that i had to vent my opinion on all the whines about nerf this and nerf that.
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hehe
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Agreed phule_gubben, yet 3-5% of a realm population is enough to digust 80% of an enemy realm in RvR.
Not saying against Midgard, actually groups like FC / BF / GoL / HB / LA / CF / VGN / NP / JH etc totally destroy the RvR experience of many many casual players who run in so-called "random groups".
Maybe it is time to ask Mythic to make "arenas" according to your RR ? All RR1-5 would RvR in one area and all RR5-10 in another ? Wouldn't that be a good idea to prevent an optimised RR8 JH or FC group to rip through 3 random groups in a row and disgust 3x8 = 24 players ? Well I don't know honestly, because I do think that these ubah rvr guilds are somehow a challenge for others but at the same time this leads to the all time debate "what place for casual gamers in MMORPG, how are they supposed to have fun when they have to compete with people who maximise all their chances (buffbots, perfect groups and such) ?"
On Excalibur, Mister X, 30 year old, who works 39 hours a week, has 2 children and a wife he loves, and who plays 2 hours on Friday, 2 hours on Saturday, and 4 hours on Sunday just can't compete with RR10 NP/FC/VGN geek who plays 6 hours a day, every day and who has many 50s on 2 accounts.
Among all French and UK servers (can't tell for german servers), Excalibur is the server where RvR is the most "professional". You need to be the best of the best to survive on that server otherwise you'll be humiliated in a matter of seconds. And it's an undending spiral : guild X uses a strategy to be uber, guild Y copies the same strategy and adds another trick that'll make it uber, guild X copies trick and add something more, and so on.
And responsible for that are top 4 guilds on all 3 realms, but at the same time they're not to blame because they're making RvR challenging, so really, in the end, what shall we do ? Keep whining at mid fotm groups or let the river flow and see how time will affect things ?
I for example didn't retire because "friars suck" but because "friars don't fit the perfect group". I guess if I had leveled a merc or a sorc or a minstrel or a cleric instead I'd be on the shiny side of the hill and laughing at the 4 random groups we've just slaughtered. And now I'm doing just about the same, on another server, on the "easy" realm, probably disgusting other players too because they can do nothing against a savage grouped with an augmentation healer and a lvl 50 buffbot at MTK or because my healer just aoe stunned them for 9 secs.
Not saying against Midgard, actually groups like FC / BF / GoL / HB / LA / CF / VGN / NP / JH etc totally destroy the RvR experience of many many casual players who run in so-called "random groups".
Maybe it is time to ask Mythic to make "arenas" according to your RR ? All RR1-5 would RvR in one area and all RR5-10 in another ? Wouldn't that be a good idea to prevent an optimised RR8 JH or FC group to rip through 3 random groups in a row and disgust 3x8 = 24 players ? Well I don't know honestly, because I do think that these ubah rvr guilds are somehow a challenge for others but at the same time this leads to the all time debate "what place for casual gamers in MMORPG, how are they supposed to have fun when they have to compete with people who maximise all their chances (buffbots, perfect groups and such) ?"
On Excalibur, Mister X, 30 year old, who works 39 hours a week, has 2 children and a wife he loves, and who plays 2 hours on Friday, 2 hours on Saturday, and 4 hours on Sunday just can't compete with RR10 NP/FC/VGN geek who plays 6 hours a day, every day and who has many 50s on 2 accounts.
Among all French and UK servers (can't tell for german servers), Excalibur is the server where RvR is the most "professional". You need to be the best of the best to survive on that server otherwise you'll be humiliated in a matter of seconds. And it's an undending spiral : guild X uses a strategy to be uber, guild Y copies the same strategy and adds another trick that'll make it uber, guild X copies trick and add something more, and so on.
And responsible for that are top 4 guilds on all 3 realms, but at the same time they're not to blame because they're making RvR challenging, so really, in the end, what shall we do ? Keep whining at mid fotm groups or let the river flow and see how time will affect things ?
I for example didn't retire because "friars suck" but because "friars don't fit the perfect group". I guess if I had leveled a merc or a sorc or a minstrel or a cleric instead I'd be on the shiny side of the hill and laughing at the 4 random groups we've just slaughtered. And now I'm doing just about the same, on another server, on the "easy" realm, probably disgusting other players too because they can do nothing against a savage grouped with an augmentation healer and a lvl 50 buffbot at MTK or because my healer just aoe stunned them for 9 secs.
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a guy who works out 5days a week will outsprint mister X, thats why random groups zergs
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it's ok
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Ok your group is maybe better vs fotm groups but not when chanters get the debuff nerf. I have not played in hib either im only talking from the hib groups I have met. Ones with good enchanters kill me in seconds from range, but they are rare thank goodness
and even better they get nerfed soon 
However the 2 eld group can still win without GP, with 4 casters GP needs to be up every fight (vs a good group at least). Also the 2 eld group is stronger vs multiple noob groups as the guardbots can still do good damage and won't have power probs.
Trust me playing a sorc is quite often the dark side of the hill
noob groups are no fun cus they are no challenge (usually ), fotm groups are no fun cus (if sos/bof is down) I die in 3 secs from fotm savages get rezzed die again etcIn fact the only fun fights are vs 2 or 3 noob groups, vs 1 good hib tank group or vs a mid fotm group with all ra's up.
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you are forgetting some things...
baod can work as GP... basicly baod before a battle and you wont get mezzed/stunned for a long time at all... like 3sec mezz...
2x GP, 2x baod... the odds for this grp to beat a zerg, and a perfect midd/alb grp is ALOT better.. for the other grp setup to win vs a "fotm" grp in alb/midd they both have to play "excelent" and the midds/albs have to do MAJOR misstakes..
oh also if your gonna stand a chance against 3 healers.. you have to basicly instagib something.. hence why there is a void eld in grp.... not haveing one is like haveing a alb/midd tank grp where tanks dont assist...
baod can work as GP... basicly baod before a battle and you wont get mezzed/stunned for a long time at all... like 3sec mezz...
2x GP, 2x baod... the odds for this grp to beat a zerg, and a perfect midd/alb grp is ALOT better.. for the other grp setup to win vs a "fotm" grp in alb/midd they both have to play "excelent" and the midds/albs have to do MAJOR misstakes..
oh also if your gonna stand a chance against 3 healers.. you have to basicly instagib something.. hence why there is a void eld in grp.... not haveing one is like haveing a alb/midd tank grp where tanks dont assist...
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sorusi's setup will kill the fotm'ers and ofc, randoms too - the other setup will maybe last longer and perhaps kill randoms if GP is down, but will die instantly if GP is down. But hey, same goes for Albion when their BoF is down.
Buy Purge! then your group will have 3x GP's every 30min.
And i've never ever seen a hibgroup, when they win the mez war, debuff+DD on assist. The casters wait until a tank gets in range or just wait and spam pbae. With all the relics you should take advantage of your weapons, debuff + DD on assist is damn lethal - and so is quick targeting on the support.
Groupsetup and the slow reaction, is one of the things that makes the hibgroups fragile, not 4casters.
edit: read sorusi regarding the BAoD, it also works as GP, just get some decent AoM. You probably got 48%+ on all resists with AoM2, with a awake chanter that blows BAoD off before mez, will grant your group with approximately 85%~ - which beats determination any day, and which leaves your s/s tank pretty much mez-immune. He can now guard the one in your group that is being attacked. Dont underestimate guard, its a lifesaver.
Buy Purge! then your group will have 3x GP's every 30min.
And i've never ever seen a hibgroup, when they win the mez war, debuff+DD on assist. The casters wait until a tank gets in range or just wait and spam pbae. With all the relics you should take advantage of your weapons, debuff + DD on assist is damn lethal - and so is quick targeting on the support.
Groupsetup and the slow reaction, is one of the things that makes the hibgroups fragile, not 4casters.
edit: read sorusi regarding the BAoD, it also works as GP, just get some decent AoM. You probably got 48%+ on all resists with AoM2, with a awake chanter that blows BAoD off before mez, will grant your group with approximately 85%~ - which beats determination any day, and which leaves your s/s tank pretty much mez-immune. He can now guard the one in your group that is being attacked. Dont underestimate guard, its a lifesaver.
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Hedek speaketh the truth.
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Go on Mids, tell those Hibbies how to play their game!
You know it all better.
Regards, Glottis
You know it all better.
Regards, Glottis
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Bahhh you know notthing ... i inventet that way of playing minser, waaayyyyy back when i was RvRing at lvl 45..
i think if you seached on my name you would find the first comment's on BW about useing minser as interrupter coming from me
and no i wont nerf the zerg as long as i has to figth the mid tank/seer groups.. most of the ppl i play with are nice friends and semi casual RvR'ers playing friar's cabby's theug's etc... and if zerg is what is needed to have fun i will arrange that zerg.. plz bring your own zerg its fun !!
streamrolling FOTM groups only is fun around 30 times each day ..
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I'd say, to end the debate that "everyone is right".
I mean NP criticizes newb albs for zerging.
Albs criticize NP for using the most perfect group setup.
This is a game. People adapt to what they're facing. And they'll continue to do so until they're bored.
The way I see things :
Albs growing tired of guilds like JH farming them.
Guilds like JH getting tired of being zerged.
Guilds like JH forced to zerg like Albs
Everyone grows tired of zergs.
Everyone stops zerging and using "perfect" groups because they have lost this habbit when they started to zerg again.
People doing perfect groups again now that zergs are over.
People zerging again now that perfect groups are back.
And so on.
And if you don't like what's happening, stop playing, you won't change anything because you're complaing/criticizing on a post. When I realised that no matter whether people were convinced I was a good friar they'd still prefer a merc 2 or 3 RR lower, I simply left.
I'm talking of "the alb newb zerg" vs "JH fotm groups" but as phule_gubben said there's also the remaining 95% mid population that's growing tired of being farmed by VGN or FC super groups.
So please don't take the name of guilds I'm stating as personal/specific attacks. This is an all realms all servers issue. Ever noticed the RPs gap between top 2/3 guilds and number 4 ?
It's usually 150 milion for top 2 or 3 and like 80 million for number 4.
Now this when I do my call in the wild (feel free to skip :
Isn't it time we stop seeing RvR as RPs farming and rather as a "sport". This means no interferring in a stealthers duel (just kill the one that remains alive if he's not from your realm and rez teh other), no outnumbering, no use of an advantage that the enemy may not have (buffbots, pots, etc). But at the same time, I mean somehow Mythic "put" those "tools" in daoc (range less, unlimited duration buffs, alchemy pots, etc...), I have the feeling they're encouraging farming rather than wanting to see RvR as a sport and a challenge where you're proud of a good fight, /bow to an enemy who fought well or be /bowed because you gave the enemy an interesting fight.
Best fun I ever had on Excalibur was probably at Hadrian's Wall, Amg when albs and hibs were dueling (Samulaharja, don't remember the name, high rr sb, was the only mid there). We were like 30 enemies sitting next to each other and /beckoning the person we wanted to fight with, and guess what, that was RP less. And the funniest about that is how we rushed together (albs/mids/hibs) anyone who wasn't aware of the duels and thought he could leech rps from an ongoing fg vs fg fight.
I mean NP criticizes newb albs for zerging.
Albs criticize NP for using the most perfect group setup.
This is a game. People adapt to what they're facing. And they'll continue to do so until they're bored.
The way I see things :
Albs growing tired of guilds like JH farming them.
Guilds like JH getting tired of being zerged.
Guilds like JH forced to zerg like Albs
Everyone grows tired of zergs.
Everyone stops zerging and using "perfect" groups because they have lost this habbit when they started to zerg again.
People doing perfect groups again now that zergs are over.
People zerging again now that perfect groups are back.
And so on.
And if you don't like what's happening, stop playing, you won't change anything because you're complaing/criticizing on a post. When I realised that no matter whether people were convinced I was a good friar they'd still prefer a merc 2 or 3 RR lower, I simply left.
I'm talking of "the alb newb zerg" vs "JH fotm groups" but as phule_gubben said there's also the remaining 95% mid population that's growing tired of being farmed by VGN or FC super groups.
So please don't take the name of guilds I'm stating as personal/specific attacks. This is an all realms all servers issue. Ever noticed the RPs gap between top 2/3 guilds and number 4 ?
It's usually 150 milion for top 2 or 3 and like 80 million for number 4.
Now this when I do my call in the wild (feel free to skip
:Isn't it time we stop seeing RvR as RPs farming and rather as a "sport". This means no interferring in a stealthers duel (just kill the one that remains alive if he's not from your realm and rez teh other), no outnumbering, no use of an advantage that the enemy may not have (buffbots, pots, etc). But at the same time, I mean somehow Mythic "put" those "tools" in daoc (range less, unlimited duration buffs, alchemy pots, etc...), I have the feeling they're encouraging farming rather than wanting to see RvR as a sport and a challenge where you're proud of a good fight, /bow to an enemy who fought well or be /bowed because you gave the enemy an interesting fight.
Best fun I ever had on Excalibur was probably at Hadrian's Wall, Amg when albs and hibs were dueling (Samulaharja, don't remember the name, high rr sb, was the only mid there). We were like 30 enemies sitting next to each other and /beckoning the person we wanted to fight with, and guess what, that was RP less. And the funniest about that is how we rushed together (albs/mids/hibs) anyone who wasn't aware of the duels and thought he could leech rps from an ongoing fg vs fg fight.
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criticizing newb albs for zerging is like discussing philosophy with your breakfast cereals.
anyways, we LOVE warderzergs. we might criticize VGN and GoL for zerging, but then its more fun to beat them and their zerg.
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JH are no skilled fucks supposidly, dunno why your whining so much, easy meat for your rr2 random groups.
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Glottis_Xanadu
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Originally posted by infozwerg
criticizing newb albs for zerging is like discussing philosophy with your breakfast cereals.
anyways, we LOVE warderzergs. we might criticize VGN and GoL for zerging, but then its more fun to beat them and their zerg.
Please note, NP zergs worse than Albs do...
And then, to top things off, they will claim they don't zerg, and prefer 1fg vs 1fg..
Bunch of hypocrites, but it shows in the way they use 11 Savages now...
Regards, Glottis
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Nolby had two groups running at the same time but they were seperate, After getting raped by the 50+ Albs roleplaying between MMG-AMG 1FG at a time they put both groups together and invited us alot and we started tearing into the roleplayers camping the milegates.
Random Albs who block the MMG and who wont split into even 2FG's provoke us into having no choice but to gang up to either get RP or just to try and get out of our own milegate.
If you get zerged in Emain by 3fg Mids+ then your either in the wrong place at the wrong time (MMG after port for instance) or you just blatently fucking asked for it.
People say Mids zerg as much as Albs do but when we pass Mids 90% of the time they are a FG, Mid has an "elitest" Attitude where we will in general build a decent grp so we feel confident to run as a FG win some and lose some.
Albs will just cobble together any old shit group and camp with 3-4x other randoms.
Why can Mid make mostly balenced groups? Because so many were willing to reroll to usfull classes, your own class shortages are your own fault.
Youve got the best PL tool in DAOC start using it and start building your groups, Make RVR guilds maybe so you can run with fixed setup's and can learn to gel as a team i dunno.
Anyway fuck it if you get zerged by Nolby its your own stupid fault
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Lol. If any Mids ever get zerged it is their own stupid fault by only playing uber classes. Healers and Savages.
Plenty of people run around with "perfect" Alb groups, but it is just not going to hack it vs a fotm Mid group now is it?
Unless the Mids screw up, and the Albs play flawlessly, Mids will get free rp's.
Why do you think Mids will earn 100k rp on a long night, compared to about 20k on most Alb rvr players...
Mids have been playing this game for the past year like a necro on a keep take/defense with the los bug...
Have fun I guess.
Regards, Glottis
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Glottis, explain then why Albs were the first one to actually zerg? It started early in retail when albs always outnumbered both realms - sometimes albs outzerged hibs and mids together!
You surely cant blame mids for zerging, if you do, then please admit albs zerg too - and even hibs from time to time.
You surely cant blame mids for zerging, if you do, then please admit albs zerg too - and even hibs from time to time.
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If any Mids
so all mids do what u descriped above? no so once again stfu you clueless idiot
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thing is, you along with many others have never played even close to flawless, if you did with some "good" classes, maybe you would have a chance too