Threads about freeshards

[Alan]

Ok mr wannabe GoA GM, DoL don't use the "dark age of camelot name" it is called Dawn of light, concept is spread around all mmoprgs, spells / races / classes, you would have to sue all other mmoprgs and everything else in history that used dwarf etc in it. Quests are not related to the daoc quests in live, only thing mythic own are textures and models + some IP. You can't sue shit and that’s why they haven't, end of really unless you have proof to show differently?

We know what IP means we have read Requiels posts and saw all the fan boys now saying exactly what he said about IP and acting like an expert in the matter. And aren’t you an original retard?

Right so every MMORPG out there has the same base classes that your character follows until L5 where you pick a final path to follow to hit L50, every single other MMORPG out there has exactly the same zones, dungeons, quests, monsters, weapons, spells, spell effects.

Nope, Mythic created all of those things specifically for their game. the DoL team have just used the same system and hte ideas created by Mythic (well they need to dont they or its not a very good emulator)

 

[Escape]

Playing on freeshards is possibly illegal, but GOA/Mythic/FH shouldn't be worried. As Etaew keeps on pointing out, freeshards are no substitue for live servers, those who suggest there is competition have probably never played on one!


Cedega emulates DirectX to allow windows games to be played on Linux. I'm neither a geek nor a lawyer, but I suspect it's a similar case to DOL emulating a DAoC server?

 

[IainC]

m8, we pay per month for the HOsting
The game we allready payed.

The COC only counts for if you play via daoc launcher

If you launch daoc via dol launcher, i DO NOT ACCEPT ANY SORT OF COC!


and tbh, freeshards are better hosted then goa does:touch:

Wrong on all counts.
1: You paid for the physical media not the software as already explained earlier.
2: You have to accept the EULA and the CoC when you install the game. If you don't believe me, go to the official site and download the installer. When you run it, you need to tick the checkbox saying you agree to the general conditions before it will launch the full game download. This means that you are agreeing to be bound by the EULA, before you've even installed the game. Installing it from a CD also prompts you for a licence acceptance before installation will begin. If you are connecting to or running a freeshard, you are in violation of that agreement. If you are developing or running a freeshard, you are stealing Mythic's intellectual property. That's the plain truth.

Your last point is just flamebait so I shan't be making any comment on that.

Finally for those wondering, Seakul is better known as Gimmly which explains a lot about his attitude in this thread.

 

[Seakul]

Right so every MMORPG out there has the same base classes that your character follows until L5 where you pick a final path to follow to hit L50, every single other MMORPG out there has exactly the same zones, dungeons, quests, monsters, weapons, spells, spell effects.

Nope, Mythic created all of those things specifically for their game. the DoL team have just used the same system and hte ideas created by Mythic (well they need to dont they or its not a very good emulator)

Sue WoW and other mmoprgs they have warlock / rough classes etc and have Aoe / taunt spells I have seen that and I haveve played the game for 5 mins in beta. DoL doesn't have dungeons nor quests written by mythic and the rvr zones are based on history, Hadrian’s Wall anyone?

 

[Tilda]

No they have written a launcher that uses a client to connect to an ip but doesn't edit or mod the client.

This is impossible.
having played on E&E servers etc, the way the launcher does it is by altering the login.bat file to redirect the game to the freeshard server.
If the launcher didn't modify the game(even if it just changes 1 line in the login file), then the game would connect to the goa or mythic servers.

 

[Seakul]

Seakul is better known as Gimmly which explains a lot about his attitude in this thread.

Yes I was waiting for that, which is the only argument you can put up against me and the DoL subject? Yes I am gimmly because I live in Cornwall lols, please, people should see my Rightnow accounts if you want a good laugh at how un professional GoA are a company are. He accuses you, you ask for evidence or any info on the matter (I am replying to you because you are right)

 

[Seakul]

This is impossible.
having played on E&E servers etc, the way the launcher does it is by altering the login.bat file to redirect the game to the freeshard server.
If the launcher didn't modify the game(even if it just changes 1 line in the login file), then the game would connect to the goa or mythic servers.

Mythic have protection for the client not executing if the login.bat or update.dat are changed.

 

[Tilda]

haha so now they can protect their IP but not a little bit of it that DoL need to change? right...

 

[Seakul]

haha so now they can protect their IP but not a little bit of it that DoL need to change? right...

Try it, edit those files and try and run the client. Mythic also changed there packeting system loads of times.

 

[Marc]

WRONG! Do some research mate, in the UK at the age of 18 I am classed as an adult, I can work full time, I can be sent to prison if I do something illegal, I can be arrested and held in custody, I can drive, I can buy porn, I can smoke, I can buy alcohol, I can have a credit card, a loan, a mortgage, I can sign for my own treatment at a hospital and dentist, I can go to war, I can vote, I can do everything.

lol he must be retarded or just generally thick then eh Mey??

 

[Adlatus Hellbringer]

Mythic could take DoL to court over all this for sure. If the game looks remotely like daoc, has the same classes, same skins/weapons etc then sure they could sue.

Rather than looking into the EULA too much try and think of this as more of a copyright issue. If i created a coca cola style drink and put it in a red can and called it coca-cock i would be sued by coca-cola for sure xD

Why Mythic havnt sued i dont know. But you cant use this as an argument (i.e. just bcos mythic hasnt sued yet does not make it ok ;p)

Now im sure seakull ur gonna come back to me with how DoL isnt Daoc etc etc but tbh m8... STFU because ofc it is. The dudes behind Dol are just to thick and lazy to go out there and creat a completely new game so they try and leach off of the success of someone elses.

If u cant hack it in REAL Daoc then... LOL

 

[Alan]

If i created a coca cola style drink and put it in a red can and called it coca-cock i would be sued by coca-cola for sure

But ... by god would it be worth it I hereby demand some photoshop skills to see a can of coca-cock

 

[Seakul]

Mythic could take DoL to court over all this for sure. If the game looks remotely like daoc, has the same classes, same skins/weapons etc then sure they could sue.

Rather than looking into the EULA too much try and think of this as more of a copyright issue. If i created a coca cola style drink and put it in a red can and called it coca-cock i would be sued by coca-cola for sure xD

Why Mythic havnt sued i dont know. But you cant use this as an argument (i.e. just bcos mythic hasnt sued yet does not make it ok ;p)

Now im sure seakull ur gonna come back to me with how DoL isnt Daoc etc etc but tbh m8... STFU because ofc it is. The dudes behind Dol are just to thick and lazy to go out there and creat a completely new game so they try and leach off of the success of someone elses.

If u cant hack it in REAL Daoc then... LOL

Yes the guys at DoL are lazy and sad and pathetic and can't hack it in real daoc nor make a good mmoprg. So they code a free game emulator in there free time and let people try and play the game for free and have some fun. OMG THISE GUYS ARE TERRIBLE THEY DERSERVE TO BE SHOT.

 

[Adlatus Hellbringer]

What they do is wrong. I pay my subs because i can and because i believe that mythic should be rewarded for a great game that they have produced with time and money. Your Dol home boys have put in hardly any money into creating a game. They have simply copied DAOC. Which is why they can be sued.

Shame on Mythic for not protecting their interlectual property so far. Maybe with EA at the helm it will be in the future.

 

[rynnor]

WRONG! Do some research mate, in the UK at the age of 18 I am classed as an adult, I can work full time, I can be sent to prison if I do something illegal, I can be arrested and held in custody

You are broadly right but technically you are a Juvenile until 21 - you can go to prison but it will be a juvenile prison - it wont be a mainstream prison until your 21 and your likely to get more lenient sentencing.

 

[Adlatus Hellbringer]

OMG THISE GUYS ARE TERRIBLE THEY DERSERVE TO BE SHOT.

Just you dear, just you...

 

[rynnor]

But they are using the Dark age of camelot engine without paying for the right to do so. Unlike GOA who pay for the right to run a dark age of camelot server.

I thought people had already paid for the client software - connecting that to any server they choose would be basically legal.

Imagine if microsoft said the only browser you could use in Windows was IE - oh but they did - and they got a hefty fine for it too - restricting consumer choice can be illegal in itself remember.

 

[rynnor]

I also personally think that having a non-discussion policy on Freddy house about free shards is a damn good idea. We are graced with the presence of the Game Masters for free, and they post good information, posting to freeshards that take away from the live servers is kind of like shiting in your front yard.

No - why have censorship on behalf of GOA - they are welcome to host their own forums and apply whatever rules they like but I dont see why Freddyshouse should block discussion of freeshards as long as people dont go blatantly advertising shards which may or may not be legal - its already been restricted to help GOA.

 

[Seakul]

What they do is wrong. I pay my subs because i can and because i believe that mythic should be rewarded for a great game that they have produced with time and money. Your Dol home boys have put in hardly any money into creating a game. They have simply copied DAOC. Which is why they can be sued.

Shame on Mythic for not protecting their interlectual property so far. Maybe with EA at the helm it will be in the future.

with money you get from the dole?

 

[Escape]

If i created a coca cola style drink and put it in a red can and called it coca-cock i would be sued by coca-cola for sure xD

There're a few coca-cola alternatives(e.g. Virgin Cola) which haven't been sued. You would get away with coca-cock, but consumers will be a little suspicious of the ingredients.

DOL isn't a copy of the Mythic server, it's an alternative with unique code( I imagine Mythic's server isn't written in C#).

 

[rynnor]

No matter what you say or what bits of copywright law you choose to copy n paste - it is actually illegal - you only own the CD and its Box - not the actual software - and how that is used is covered in the EULA.

Software companies like to say that a lot but the truth is the laws a lot less uncertain about that than they'd like and varies a great deal from country to country - only place that might be true is in certain US states.

 

[rynnor]

The only people who can use the Dark Age Of Camelot name, concept, classes, spells, races, zones, quests, content, combat, etc are Mythic (and GoA under Licence) It doesnt matter one rats shit what language the emulator is written in or its legal status - what does matter is the IP (Intellectual Property)

Not actually true - the name is theirs but the rest other than original artwork/stories isnt - how many games have 'wizards' for instance - you still think Mythic owns that?

Much of the Daoc system is derivative and cannot thus be described as their intellectual property - otherwise the Tolkien estate would be suing every rpg that used Orcs

 

[Misleath]

But ... by god would it be worth it I hereby demand some photoshop skills to see a can of coca-cock

As a moderator you should be an example for everyone else and stay on topic.

 

[Kuhan]

As a moderator you should be an example for everyone else and stay on topic.

lol ban inc

 

[jasskass]

As a moderator you should be an example for everyone else and stay on topic.

I agree with the master wizard, long live his reign over light and may he smite the evil back to darkness for all eternity

 

[rynnor]

Mythic could take DoL to court over all this for sure. If the game looks remotely like daoc, has the same classes, same skins/weapons etc then sure they could sue.

You can sue over pretty much anything but this doesnt mean you have a chance in hell of winning...

 

[chretien]

Not actually true - the name is theirs but the rest other than original artwork/stories isnt - how many games have 'wizards' for instance - you still think Mythic owns that?

Much of the Daoc system is derivative and cannot thus be described as their intellectual property - otherwise the Tolkien estate would be suing every rpg that used Orcs

Here's an easy challenge for those that think Mythic doesn't have any copyright over the elements of their game. Set up a webpage purporting to be a new MMO company and announce your brand new game - make it as close to DAoC in theme and substance as possible while not lifting the names directly. You don't need to do any actual coding - there's enough rabid fanboys who'll dedicate their lives to signing up for vapourware out there - post some doctored DAoC screenshots and say they are concept art for your game. Perhaps fake some developer notes too for added authenticity.

Then post all the cease and desist notices you get from expensive EA lawyers.

Just because a lot of the concepts are public domain (wizards, orcs, dwarves etc) doesn't mean that Mythic don't have rights to the way they are portrayed and used in their game.

 

[rynnor]

Just because a lot of the concepts are public domain (wizards, orcs, dwarves etc) doesn't mean that Mythic don't have rights to the way they are portrayed and used in their game.

Correct, you cannot rip off a game and just change the name - however you could release another mmo that had multiple realms competing in pvp set in a fantasy background - World of Warcraft for instance - the fact is that Daoc is derivative - there are very few original parts of the game itself aside from text and artwork.

The whole fantasy genre is pretty much defined and EQ/Wow/Daoc and all the rest are incredibly similar in concept - their main differences are in the artwork/UI which I agree would be IP.

The genre is now public domain - noone can come along and copyright Orcs for instance.

 

[[HB]Jpeg]

i aint read all the thread .. nor am i a tech wizard .. or legal eagle..

but... IF GOA/MYTHIC etc etc dont allow for code or stuff in the game to be changed..............

Why do they allow people to use MODS and Player made UI's ? surely that is changing the code in someway to have daoc to look how they want it to ?

also .... @read above i aint no expert@ but isnt that the same as editing the i.p to play on a freeshard ? except that u aint paying mythic/goa to use it ? and in theory goa/mythic are saying u can edit ui folder etc etc nd add bits into the game for your own benefit if goa/mythic are recieving the subs.. but if they aint.. then it aint allowed?

 

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keep on topic people.. intersting thread and dont want it closed due to hillbilly behaviour.