Threads about freeshards

[Mey]

I go stand up for freeshards in that one.

How can you expect people to be happy with the state of the game as it is?
(I paid to play Glastonbury, that got fuked ovver by 5 fg on stick )

Added with the fact the problems in the past(ie Opentransit, Prydwen Rollback etc)

Another is the 3rd realm issue on Cluster. With no 3rd english speaking server, a lot leave to try elsewhere, wether it be in the US or on the shards

And Thad the way people play the game in RvR isn't the fault of the company its the player base (mainly french *rubs index thing along other index thing in shame*) Its up to us to "change" it not them

 

[Etaew]

But still: Dark age of camelot (the game) is *not* Open source, what gives you the right to use it as such?

What makes you think that DAOC (the game) is used as "Open Source"?

I think your getting mixed up.

I think what most ppl. mix is that the EULA is just an "End user license agreement" and has nothing to do with copyright law.

If you agree to the EULA, you are bound to it. However, who says you have to agree to it? If you disagree with the EULA, then the only thing that happens to you is that you are not allowed to play on live servers

You have to agree to the EULA in order to play on live servers, but you don't have to agree to the EULA to play on freeshards...

I once contacted the EFF (www.eff.org) which gave me the following answer about emulators:

We have some experience with representing folks who have
designed emulators for online videogame servers. However, our
experience is mostly under U.S. copyright law, so I can only give you
some input as to that law. For German copyright law, you will have to
find someone else.

Under US copyright law, in general, you have a right to design a
server that interoperates with proprietary client programs. You can
do this by reverse engineering the proprietary server program. One
way to reverse engineer the server program is, as you suggest, to
study and then simulate the original server's behavior. For example,
you can generally study the packets that are transmitted in the clear
between the server and a client.

However, there are three things to worry about:
1) License Agreements -- If you clicked "I agree" or accepted any kind
of license from the MMORPG maker, you should look to see whether or
not it prohibits you from reverse engineering their game and/or
hosting or emulating their game. While such restrictions are
sometimes invalid, they can also stop you from what you want to do.

2) Take only what is necessary -- while US copyright law does allow
for reverse engineering under its "fair use" doctrine, it only allows
you to take what you need in order to create interoperability with the
client. For example, you're probably not allowed to take text or
graphics but instead can only really take functional routines.

3) The anti-circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act -- if any aspect of the original server is protected by
some kind of technological measure -- encryption, a password scheme,
any kind of authentication scheme -- you will need to look at this law
very closely. There is a reverse engineering exception to the law,
but it is rather narrow.

If you have not violated any laws making your server, there is a good
chance you will not violate any laws allowing people to download your
server or allowing them to use their lawful clients with your server.
However, this may not stop the company from suing you, as pissed off
companies tend to file law suits, even if they don't have a valid
basis to do so.

Hope this helps,
Staff Attorney
EFF

 

[Thadius]

And Thad the way people play the game in RvR isn't the fault of the company its the player base (mainly french *rubs index thing along other index thing in shame*) Its up to us to "change" it not them

But surely people play shards to get something they cant get on normal servers?

 

[Mey]

But surely people play shards to get something they cant get on normal servers?

Instanced sex?

 

[Etaew]

Instanced sex?

It seems the serious discussion has ended and the children have come out to play, I am no longer following this thread.

 

[Mey]

off topicers strike again =o "O nos!"

The serious discussion ended when people refused to accept the fact the use of DAOC is a privilege not a god given right.

Sure you may make your own server emulating tools and what not , but you didn’t actually make the game.

 

[Dave J.]

It seems the serious discussion has ended and the children have come out to play, I am no longer following this thread.

This is FH - we dont read it for the serious discussions

 

[Seakul]

But still: Dark age of camelot (the game) is *not* Open source, what gives you the right to use it as such?

Were you born retarded or just generally thick? DoL is not using DAOC (the game) DoL is using DoL that they developed from the ground up. Nice one for ruining the thread and showing what immature children we have on here.

off topicers strike again =o "O nos!"

The serious discussion ended when people refused to accept the fact the use of DAOC is a privilege not a god given right.

Sure you may make your own server emulating tools and what not , but you didn’t actually make the game.

They are not using the game, maybe you should finnish school and do a little research before you talk shit on a public forum.

 

[Mey]

Sigh read my profile (DO SOME RESEARCH MEHT!) before claiming i haven't finished school..

And YES they are using the game.. Can you be any more retarded.. If you read my post: "Sure you may make your own server emulating tools and what not , but you didn’t actually make the game." You use DOL to log into a server, your then playing on Dark Age of Camelot (the Game) on someone's UNLICENCED server. If its not illegal why don't GOA do it instead of paying Mythic for the right too..

 

[Seakul]

Sigh read my profile (DO SOME RESEARCH MEHT!) before claiming i haven't finished school..

And YES they are using the game.. Can you be any more retarded.. If you read my post: "Sure you may make your own server emulating tools and what not , but you didn’t actually make the game." You use DOL to log into a server, your then playing on Dark Age of Camelot (the Game) on someone's UNLICENCED server. If its not illegal why don't GOA do it instead of paying Mythic for the right too..

What are you talking about, all mmoprgs and most of other things, have a Server and Client GoA host the server and you use the client to play, simple e.g. Internet explorer(client) and a website(Server) in some way if you look at it like that. DoL created a server under there own licence and added packets so people with a Daoc client could connect. There is no "modding of the client" to connect and play, DoL is DoL and daoc is daoc.

 

[Mey]

“Nice one for ruining the thread and showing what immature children we have on here.”

Immature Young Adults, to be correct.

 

[Mey]

What are you talking about, all mmoprgs and most of other things, have a Server and Client GoA host the server and you use the client to play, simple e.g. Internet explorer(client) and a website(Server) in some way if you look at it like that. DoL created a server under there own licence and added packets so people with a Daoc client could connect. There is no "modding of the client" to connect and play, DoL is DoL and daoc is daoc.

But they are using the Dark age of camelot engine without paying for the right to do so. Unlike GOA who pay for the right to run a dark age of camelot server.

 

[Seakul]

Immature Young Adults, to be correct.

Your still legaly a kid till 21 afaik.

 

[Seakul]

But they are using the Dark age of camelot engine without paying for the right to do so. Unlike GOA who pay for the right to run a dark age of camelot server.

DoL are not running a daoc server, DoL are running a DoL server(If they did host servers)

 

[Mey]

Your still legaly a kid till 21 afaik.

WRONG! Do some research mate, in the UK at the age of 18 I am classed as an adult, I can work full time, I can be sent to prison if I do something illegal, I can be arrested and held in custody, I can drive, I can buy porn, I can smoke, I can buy alcohol, I can have a credit card, a loan, a mortgage, I can sign for my own treatment at a hospital and dentist, I can go to war, I can vote, I can do everything.

Funny, how hypocritical people can be when they're on the internet ey'.

maybe you should finnish school and do a little research before you talk shit on a public forum.

 

[Mey]

DoL are not running a daoc server, DoL are running a DoL server(If they did host servers)

Sigh, they are using the intelluctual property of Mythic, without paying for the right to do so, why can't you understand you log into DOL and you play a version of DAOC.

 

[evzy]

I think the thing is - freeshards are using software developed by Mythic - albeit on a server set-up not developed by them - but at the end of the day the people who run freeshards did not actually program DAOC nor create it themselves therefore they have no intellectual rights to it - this is held by Mythic and if they wanted to sue they could - and would win without issue - the reason they don't is a) potentially the cost of doing so will outweigh the reward (being realistic they are not going to win millions in damages off a bunch of bedroom coders) and b) the laws of each country that the shards are run from will differ and make things even more difficult - granted some may be in usa/france where Mythic/Goa are but you can bet your bottom dollar not all are and therefore even if they close down the more localised servers they won't be able to close them all so for the little impact they have on DAOC as a whole - its not worth giving them the publicity nor worth the hassle to Mythic/GOA.

No matter what you say or what bits of copywright law you choose to copy n paste - it is actually illegal - you only own the CD and its Box - not the actual software - and how that is used is covered in the EULA.

~edit~

Personally I don't care about freeshards either way - never played one and never will more out of the fact I enjoy playing with guildies etc and people I know more than running around trying out speedhack 3000 or whatever, that I don't get enough game time as it is so to waste it on a shard that has no challenge / development of toons, just isnt for me.

 

[Mey]

I also personally think that having a non-discussion policy on Freddy house about free shards is a damn good idea. We are graced with the presence of the Game Masters for free, and they post good information, posting to freeshards that take away from the live servers is kind of like shiting in your front yard.

 

[Alan]

Were you born retarded or just generally thick? DoL is not using DAOC (the game) DoL is using DoL that they developed from the ground up. Nice one for ruining the thread and showing what immature children we have on here.


They are not using the game, maybe you should finnish school and do a little research before you talk shit on a public forum.

Well if that inst the pot calling the kettle black, If you want to flame people for lack of research at least do your own first.

* By the terms of this EULA, We grant you the non-exclusive right to use the Software for the sole purpose of playing the Game and its Expansions, via an authorised, fully paid Account.

* We and our suppliers retain all intellectual property rights to the content associated with or supplied on the CD-ROM, the Software and the Game and its Expansions and the online licence. The Software is commercial property.

* You acknowledge that the Software contains (i) graphics, sound effects, music, visual animations and text (hereafter referred to as "Content") to which you have no property rights and no intellectual property rights

This Game and its Expansions are supplied to you under Licence by The Publisher and is protected by international laws governing intellectual property.

And thats just from the first few paragraphs I could be assed to skim over. The only people who can use the Dark Age Of Camelot name, concept, classes, spells, races, zones, quests, content, combat, etc are Mythic (and GoA under Licence) It doesnt matter one rats shit what language the emulator is written in or its legal status - what does matter is the IP (Intellectual Property)

 

[Mey]

No matter what you say or what bits of copywright law you choose to copy n paste - it is actually illegal - you only own the CD and its Box - not the actual software - and how that is used is covered in the EULA.

Huzzah!

 

[Dave J.]

DoL are not running a daoc server, DoL are running a DoL server(If they did host servers)

I think most people just dont understand what you mean, me included. Are you saying those people Dawn of.., studied the packet-flow from a normal client to an official, or live, server, and then wrote a 'game' from that flow, that they are hosting, and for the users that connect, looks like daoc?

 

[Mey]

And thats just from the first few paragraphs I could be assed to skim over. The only people who can use the Dark Age Of Camelot name, concept, classes, spells, races, zones, quests, content, combat, etc are Mythic (and GoA under Licence) It doesnt matter one rats shit what language the emulator is written in or its legal status - what does matter is the IP.

Also so you don't get confused like before: By IP i assume he means Intellectual property.

Time to have a nice warm mug of STFU, i think so.

 

[GReaper]

Reminds me of the legal problems from running a UO shard quite a few years ago. Note: I am not a lawyer, things may be inaccurate.

A user playing on a free shard breaks the CoC/EULA which they agreed on to play on Mythic/GOA servers. Either provider could in theory terminate your account for playing on another shard, but I'd seriously doubt they'd do this. If the user hasn't agreed to the EULA (no account), then they are using copyrighted files which they don't have permission to use.

So, Mythic/GOA can't do much against users, they'd end up banning customers in the worst case!

As for the servers, distributing any original or modified game files would break copyright laws - you have no permission from Mythic to do so. Running a server which relies on any of Mythic's files is also bad, you only have permission to use the files with the client and nothing else. However running a server using a totally different map should have very few legal problems, they wouldn't be using any copyrighted files from Mythic.

The cost of taking action against servers would outweigh the benefits gained from shutting down the servers.

 

[tris-]

so just dont accept the eula. click the i disagree button.

then you can do wtf you want, like the guy from DOL said.

 

[Seakul]

WRONG! Do some research mate, in the UK at the age of 18 I am classed as an adult, I can work full time, I can be sent to prison if I do something illegal, I can be arrested and held in custody, I can drive, I can buy porn, I can smoke, I can buy alcohol, I can have a credit card, a loan, a mortgage, I can sign for my own treatment at a hospital and dentist, I can go to war, I can vote, I can do everything.

Funny, how hypocritical people can be when they're on the internet ey'.

You can't go to prison until your 21 unless it is something really serious and you be there years anyway, trust me I know. And the legal age for porn buying and acting is 21?

 

[Seakul]

Well if that inst the pot calling the kettle black, If you want to flame people for lack of research at least do your own first.



And thats just from the first few paragraphs I could be assed to skim over. The only people who can use the Dark Age Of Camelot name, concept, classes, spells, races, zones, quests, content, combat, etc are Mythic (and GoA under Licence) It doesnt matter one rats shit what language the emulator is written in or its legal status - what does matter is the IP (Intellectual Property)

Ok mr wannabe GoA GM, DoL don't use the "dark age of camelot name" it is called Dawn of light, concept is spread around all mmoprgs, spells / races / classes, you would have to sue all other mmoprgs and everything else in history that used dwarf etc in it. Quests are not related to the daoc quests in live, only thing mythic own are textures and models + some IP. You can't sue shit and that’s why they haven't, end of really unless you have proof to show differently?

Also so you don't get confused like before: By IP i assume he means Intellectual property.

Time to have a nice warm mug of STFU, i think so.

We know what IP means we have read Requiels posts and saw all the fan boys now saying exactly what he said about IP and acting like an expert in the matter. And aren’t you an original retard?

 

[AngelHeal]

You think wrong. Anyone running a freeshard is stealing Mythic's IP from them. The EULA also specifically forbids any reverse engineering, or creation of derivative works. A freeshard is most certainly a 'derivative work' as well as being in violation of several of the other prohibited actions mentioned below and also of copyright law.





Freeshards are not legal in any way and accessing or running one is a breach of the CoC.

m8, we pay per month for the HOsting
The game we allready payed.

The COC only counts for if you play via daoc launcher

If you launch daoc via dol launcher, i DO NOT ACCEPT ANY SORT OF COC!


and tbh, freeshards are better hosted then goa does:touch:

 

[Tilda]

So, if DoL dosn't use daoc at all, how does one connect to the server? Or are you saying the wrote the client too?

 

[AngelHeal]

So, if DoL dosn't use daoc at all, how does one connect to the server? Or are you saying the wrote the client too?

Dol designers have indeed written a client. Maybe allot similar to daoc, but it IS different.

 

[Seakul]

Dol designers have indeed written a client. Maybe allot similar to daoc, but it IS different.

No they have written a launcher that uses a client to connect to an ip but doesn't edit or mod the client.