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[DaGaffer]

Finally made it.

Jesus I forgot how fucking high up it is.

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How high is that?

 

[Scouse]

How high is that?

Aiguille Du Midi - Mont Blanc (presumably). 3802m/12604ft.

 

[DaGaffer]

Aiguille Du Midi - Mont Blanc (presumably). 3802m/12604ft.

Pah, been higher on a bike

 

[Scouse]

Pah, been higher on a bike

Where were ya?

On @Job waiting for the void - I saw the queue, saw it from side on and then went "meh", and passed on. The beauty of the area is way more impressive than trying to scare yourself on a glass floor you know isn't going to break

 

[DaGaffer]

Where were ya?

On @Job waiting for the void - I saw the queue, saw it from side on and then went "meh", and passed on. The beauty of the area is way more impressive than trying to scare yourself on a glass floor you know isn't going to break

Death Road in Bolivia, you start out at 4500m.

The whole Altiplano region you're never much less than 3500m, but once you've acclimated you're fine.

Come to think of it, I've been inside a working mine at over 4000m as well. European mountains just aren't all that.

 

[Scouse]

European mountains just aren't all that.

Yep

The 3560ft of Snowdon still feels like a motherfucker if you're having to ride up it tho. And it's still a gorgeous view from the top. I think that perhaps once scale gets to a certain size our brains struggle to comprehend it. Standing on top of Mont Blanc you know that the scale is 4x that of Ben Nevis but it doesn't seem to matter.

The things that change are functional. It takes you 2 or 3 days to get places, whereas it would previously only been a one-day trip. You have to acclimatise etc. - but in the end, for the most part "mountains feel like mountains"

 

[Job]

No the Italy cable car was closed..high winds...like 90kmh.

 

[Yoni]

My dad marched me up Snowdon when I was 6 - we were gone so long mum sent out a search party

 

[Job]

She's still up there.

Thinks its Sweden.

 

[Moriath]

My dad marched me up Snowdon when I was 6 - we were gone so long mum sent out a search party

Weent to climb it as a student but was too foggy the day we were there. I have been up by train though.

wouldnt be able to make it now with my back pain except by the train.

 

[Scouse]

View from near the top about three weeks ago:

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View from pretty much the top:

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[Job]

Thats actually the way to the chippie from his house.

 

[Scouse]

Go go Rammstein!

@Moriath - there's your fix right there

 

[Moriath]

Go go Rammstein!

@Moriath - there's your fix right there

Takes all sorts. Im not one of those sorts lol

 

[Moriath]

View from near the top about three weeks ago:

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View from pretty much the top:

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Brrrrrr.

 

[Ono]

@dysfunction - 2 things:

1. get a mic and headset for CSGO
2. don't play with a joypad

 

[dysfunction]

@dysfunction - 2 things:

1. get a mic and headset for CSGO
2. don't play with a joypad

I have a headset but not for casual. too many morons saying stupid things.

 

[Gwadien]

Cyka bylat?

 

[Bodhi]

Weent to climb it as a student but was too foggy the day we were there. I have been up by train though.

wouldnt be able to make it now with my back pain except by the train.

Puy de Dôme - Wikipedia

I climbed up that when I was 12, views were fantastic, but I learned a valuable lesson.

If there's a road up a mountain, take that instead

Although reading the article that is now closed to normal traffic (boo), but there is a railway instead. Worth checking out if you're ever in that part of France, the Volvic spring is not a million miles away, you can take in the (fucking scary) Charade F1 Circuit on the way, and there is a stonking golf course in Orcines on the shoulder. Awesome cheese from St Nectaire just up the road, I'd give the wine a miss tho, unless you're seasoning chips.

 

[Moriath]

Puy de Dôme - Wikipedia

I climbed up that when I was 12, views were fantastic, but I learned a valuable lesson.

If there's a road up a mountain, take that instead

Although reading the article that is now closed to normal traffic (boo), but there is a railway instead. Worth checking out if you're ever in that part of France, the Volvic spring is not a million miles away, you can take in the (fucking scary) Charade F1 Circuit on the way, and there is a stonking golf course in Orcines on the shoulder. Awesome cheese from St Nectaire just up the road, I'd give the wine a miss tho, unless you're seasoning chips.

Mine was in response to snowdon from yoni and i have indeed taken the train a couple times . Not regretted it hehe

 

[Job]

Taken from the Guardian today.

Funny when its brown people are being racist towards each other, its hostility not racism.
Careful use of wording to stop the bubble bursting.


Functioning as a subordinate ruling class, Indians in east Africa enjoyed success in business, finance and the professions throughout the colonial period, and gained significant control over the economy. By the time Kenya won its independence in 1963, Indians – who accounted for less than 3% of the population – owned more than two thirds of the country’s private non-agricultural assets.

When this group of Indians arrived in Britain, many brought with them the considerable wealth they had accrued (along with a hostility towards black Africans).

 

[DaGaffer]

Taken from the Guardian today.

Funny when its brown people are being racist towards each other, its hostility not racism.
Careful use of wording to stop the bubble bursting.


Functioning as a subordinate ruling class, Indians in east Africa enjoyed success in business, finance and the professions throughout the colonial period, and gained significant control over the economy. By the time Kenya won its independence in 1963, Indians – who accounted for less than 3% of the population – owned more than two thirds of the country’s private non-agricultural assets.

When this group of Indians arrived in Britain, many brought with them the considerable wealth they had accrued (along with a hostility towards black Africans).

The article specifically mentions racism and Hindu Islamophobia; you just conveniently forgot to mention those bits.

 

[Scouse]

It's the old "other people are racist, so it's OK for me to be racist" thing that gets pumped out every two weeks...

 

[Gwadien]

The thing he doesn't mention, surprisingly, is the role of the British Empire in this.

 

[Job]

Ha yes...its us, we invented it...no hang on, we spent an empire fortune banning slavery and patroling the African coast to stop Arabs buying slaves.

 

[DaGaffer]

Ha yes...its us, we invented it...no hang on, we spent an empire fortune banning slavery and patroling the African coast to stop Arabs buying slaves.

You can disagree with slavery and still be totally racist. Not difficult at all

 

[Gwadien]

Ha yes...its us, we invented it...no hang on, we spent an empire fortune banning slavery and patroling the African coast to stop Arabs buying slaves.

Inaccurate answer on a subject which isn't related to the topic.

I meant more the British Empire shoving lots of people into other parts of the Empire and letting them take up the well paid positions and stuff, something that you would condemn yourself if you were in Africa, then you can understand the resentment of the Indians after everything they were given/worked for disappeared, what's your reasoning for your racism?

Also, the British Empire ended slavery partially because of moral reasons, but the main reasons (as far as I'm concerned) was to stop other Empires from conducting in slavery so that Britain could easily maintain it's no. 1 position.

If the British Empire wanted to end slavery purely because of moral reasons then they would have got rid of the caste system in India, as that was pretty much slavery anyway.

 

[DaGaffer]

Inaccurate answer on a subject which isn't related to the topic.

I meant more the British Empire shoving lots of people into other parts of the Empire and letting them take up the well paid positions and stuff, something that you would condemn yourself if you were in Africa, then you can understand the resentment of the Indians after everything they were given/worked for disappeared, what's your reasoning for your racism?

Also, the British Empire ended slavery partially because of moral reasons, but the main reasons (as far as I'm concerned) was to stop other Empires from conducting in slavery so that Britain could easily maintain it's no. 1 position.

If the British Empire wanted to end slavery purely because of moral reasons then they would have got rid of the caste system in India, as that was pretty much slavery anyway.

Britain couldn't get rid of the caste system, the whole sub-continent would have gone up in flames as caste is embedded in Hinduism (an excerable religion); all they could do was mitigate some of its worst aspects.

You're also being overly cynical about the British slavery ban; there was genuine public support for the policy and it was one of the very earliest examples of a moral, rather than economic calculation in the Empire. Subsequent moral imperatives were far more likely to be excuses for maintaining Empire (white man's burden and all that bollocks) than anti-slavery.

 

[Gwadien]

Britain couldn't get rid of the caste system, the whole sub-continent would have gone up in flames as caste is embedded in Hinduism (an excerable religion); all they could do was mitigate some of its worst aspects.

You're also being overly cynical about the British slavery ban; there was genuine public support for the policy and it was one of the very earliest examples of a moral, rather than economic calculation in the Empire. Subsequent moral imperatives were far more likely to be excuses for maintaining Empire (white man's burden and all that bollocks) than anti-slavery.

I disagree, the British didn't want to get rid of the caste system because it benefited them, and as you rightly say, there wasn't much internal opposition to it, so why change it? If the British were taking the moral high ground they would sought to end all types of slavery across the Empire, not just the one getting the public attention.

If the British didn't have alternatives ways of making money to slavery do you think that they would have gone through with ending it? I don't think so. I think it's pretty cheap to say you have the moral high ground when you're enforcing the caste system in India and getting cities hooked on opium in China and then going to war when they (rightly so) get pissed off about it.

I'd say religion was the bigger factor in ending slavery, over morals anyway.

 

[DaGaffer]

I disagree, the British didn't want to get rid of the caste system because it benefited them, and as you rightly say, there wasn't much internal opposition to it, so why change it? If the British were taking the moral high ground they would sought to end all types of slavery across the Empire, not just the one getting the public attention.

If the British didn't have alternatives ways of making money to slavery do you think that they would have gone through with ending it? I don't think so. I think it's pretty cheap to say you have the moral high ground when you're enforcing the caste system in India and getting cities hooked on opium in China and then going to war when they (rightly so) get pissed off about it.

I'd say religion was the bigger factor in ending slavery, over morals anyway.

Religion and morality were synonymous in the 19th century and abolitionists were universally religious, so your point is moot; but bear in mind religion was also routinely used as a justification for slavery (sons of Ham etc.) so it's not cut and dried.

The British introduced legal protections for sub-castes in India that were non-existent in Indian history prior to the Raj; did the British exploit India and the caste system? Of course they did, but rent farming was far insidious and damaging to India than notions of caste-based "slavery". And I'll reiterate, there was no practical way to remove the caste system and it still exists to this day.

And I have no idea why you're associating the Opium Wars with any of this since it had nothing to do with either racism or slavery.