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Bodhi said:
After 15 years in Enterprise Software I'm still trying to figure out if this is satire or not...
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Even if it is you also know that it is an accurate description of what is going on right now in many companies.
 
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Seems to me a big scary bubble that people don't want to talk about...
 
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Zarjazz said:
Even if it is you also know that it is an accurate description of what is going on right now in many companies.
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I still work on the sales side of Enterprise Software.

If I could hit "Like" on your post 1000 times I would do this.
 
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It's pretty true from what I can see. My company is actually at the forefront of AI usage in our industry, years ahead of our peers in both adoption and usage, and I still think it's a hype train. Our AI lead was poached by a rival a month ago, his boss has also been headhunted now, and the development team that's been doing the middleware and data layer to integrate with ChatGPT has pretty much also been snapped up by rival firms. This is all before our bonuses and annual pension contributions are paid in January, so we know they got massive offers, or they'd have waited.
 
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DaGaffer said:
Pretty sure he's put himself in harm's way more than you ever have.
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That's his perogative. He's for conscription though..

If you want to be the sort of person who'll pick up a gun and shoot other people because someone tells you to then knock yourself out.

Making it mandatory would be a regressive (and oppressive) step.
 
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Scouse said:
That's his perogative. He's for conscription though..

If you want to be the sort of person who'll pick up a gun and shoot other people because someone tells you to then knock yourself out.

Making it mandatory would be a regressive (and oppressive) step.
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Is he? He doesn't mention conscription anywhere in that article. He said he wants to strengthen the defence industry and get more kids back into manufacturing, doesn't say anything about conscripts as far as I can see.

British military chiefs have historically been pretty sniffy about conscription, seeing it as a drain on training resources for little benefit. I suspect the army would love to put some serious effort behind revitalising the TA and reserves in general though.
 
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DaGaffer said:
Is he? He doesn't mention conscription anywhere in that article.
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Not explicitly, but it's pretty clear.

Sir Richard 'bravely out of range Knighton said:
To build. To serve. And if necessary, to fight. And more families will know what sacrifice for our nation means"
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He explicitly called for a "cold war resilience mindset" - funnily enough the last time we had conscription. His speech is thinly veiled - but it's unlikely he'd ever directly call for conscription as that's a policial decision and he'd rightly be seen to be treading on toes. This is about as far as he can go with it. But he knew all the headlines would be about conscription. He's starting that unpopular national conversation.


BTW - the first non-pilot leader of the RAF? TBH he's a diversity hire - show the proles that the armed forces leadership can come from anywhere. Maybe you don't even have to drop bombs on anyone or get shot at in anger eh? Easy to be brave when you're out of range.
 
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BTW - "sacrifice for our nation" doesn't mean getting a well paid NDA'd job at an arms manufacturer, otherwise my niece's bloke would be "sacrificing" right now, rather than living the high life.
 
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Scouse said:
Not explicitly, but it's pretty clear.



He explicitly called for a "cold war resilience mindset" - funnily enough the last time we had conscription. His speech is thinly veiled - but it's unlikely he'd ever directly call for conscription as that's a policial decision and he'd rightly be seen to be treading on toes. This is about as far as he can go with it. But he knew all the headlines would be about conscription. He's starting that unpopular national conversation.


BTW - the first non-pilot leader of the RAF? TBH he's a diversity hire - show the proles that the armed forces leadership can come from anywhere. Maybe you don't even have to drop bombs on anyone or get shot at in anger eh? Easy to be brave when you're out of range.
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You mean the Cold War where we got rid of conscription when it was at it's height? The rest of your post is nonsense.
 
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DaGaffer said:
Pretty sure he's put himself in harm's way more than you ever have.

Anyhow, is he wrong? Russians have already killed people in Britain, do you think they will be the last?
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Yeah but no - Knighton has never seen active combat. Closest he got was an engineer is Kosovo, where he stayed behind in the base.

So he's put himself in harms way as little as you and @Scouse have.

Also interested to see how the army that nearly got wiped out trying to take Kiev, and what's left has taken 3 years to take some villages in the Donbas are going to sweep across Europe any time soon.

Basically European leaders can take those sabers they are rattling and shove them somewhere uncomfortable.
 
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Russia's economy is pretty small for such a large territory. Most of their best troops are probably sunflower food now in Ukraine. I think the biggest danger from them is the sneaky sabotage they've undoubtedly been up to the last 20 years.

Militarily their defences would last about 5 seconds in a confrontation with NATO. Only their nuclear capability protects them.
 
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I think he's warning us that it won't be a re run of our previous conflicts since World War 2, where like in afghan and Iraq from getting shot you're likely to be on an operating table within an hour.

If you've been following the conflict recently, yes, Russia are still throwing waves of men (something which we can't do, which I think is partially why he's saying this) but they're also incredibly good at making Ukraine pay for their losses as of late. They'll certainly take advantage of our value on life in comparison to theirs...

Also it's wrong to say that they're completely worn out because of the Ukraine war - lots of their good units (which didn't get wrecked at the start of the war) are still used sparingly and importantly are experienced - much like Azov on the Ukrainian side.

The best thing we possibly could do if a war kicked off would be to put a large chunk of NATO under Ukrainian command temporarily.
 
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Tom said:
Russia's economy is pretty small for such a large territory. Most of their best troops are probably sunflower food now in Ukraine. I think the biggest danger from them is the sneaky sabotage they've undoubtedly been up to the last 20 years.

Militarily their defences would last about 5 seconds in a confrontation with NATO. Only their nuclear capability protects them.
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Problem with most of NATO is it has no depth; the kit is better, but there's not enough of it, or personnel to use it. Some places like Finland and Poland, and even France, have decent reserve forces, but Britain and Germany in particular have allowed theirs to melt away, so for example the TA in the UK is half the size it was 20 years ago and has shrunk faster than the regular army (the opposite should always be the case).

This is the point he's making; it's not about the shiny shiny, it's about the bombs and bullets you need for a conflict that lasts for more than five minutes, even if you're fighting that war via a proxy (a fine British tradition going back 300+ years) as we are now.
 
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But remember: If you subscribe to the thinking that Russia's nuclear arsenal protects them, then by extension you must believe so does ours.

So, remind me why we're going to need to massively expand our army again?

If the nuke argument makes sense - then we don't need a massive army. If the nuke argument makes no sense, then fine, increase the size of the army - but maybe not spend the projected ~120 billion keeping our 'deterrent' in shits and giggles for the next decade?

Either way - volunteers, not conscription. If people are going to put their hands up to both murder and be killed, then at least make it the dumb ones. We could do with a bit of genetic weeding out and if we can naturally select those with an innate propensity for making war then the human race might gain a little.
 
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Some of the genre names they come up with on Spotify...

Heavy Krautrock...wüt?!?
 
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I think if I were young again the only way I'd consider signing up is if I was given a house. I mean, there's no fucking way most kids will be buying houses these days unless they're lucky with a job and live in Grimsby.

I keep seeing politicians bemoaning young people not in work and education and I want to ask those politicians - why on earth would they be in work or education when they get fuck all back?
 
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Tom said:
why on earth would they be in work or education when they get fuck all back?
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Agree. But this is also my economic argument about mass immigration and it's effect on the poorest of society.

Immigrants are gaining from doing the shit jobs for fuck all pay. What do the Brits get compared to their parents / other Brits apart from long hours for a shit life.
 
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Scouse said:
They training you on how to spot mgm as well as fgm?

And on fgm - are you supposed to look at their (no) flaps or something?
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Mgm? You mean the thing that has been medically proved to be helpful and necessary at times and doesn't cause long term issues.

Whereas the other doesn't? Why are you such a meninist lol.

But the signs to look for - uncomfortable girls when sitting and girls talking about long holidays to certain countries.

It's also the only thing we have to directly report to the police.
 
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