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[Embattle]

See what I find annoying is this kind of sentence - Serial rapist McCann given 33 life sentences - I mean what is the point in giving 33 life sentences with a minimum term of 30 years.

 

[Scouse]

See what I find annoying is this kind of sentence - Serial rapist McCann given 33 life sentences - I mean what is the point in giving 33 life sentences with a minimum term of 30 years.

It's because it acknowledges each victim and gives some small measure of closure.

The big thing here is why aren't the authorities getting an absolute kicking for a guy like this being let out by accident. And on top of that - why don't the public give the government and themselves a kicking for a having a punitive justice system which doesn't work - and is no better than a conveyor belt of recidivism - the same criminals, not getting proper treatment, finishing sentences, committing the same crimes and getting put back in prison again and again and again.

I absolutely loathe the portion of the public who refuse to accept the evidence of the past century that punishment is very little deterrent and just doesn't fucking work - and that we need to properly fund rehabilitation.

It's complete idiocy that we don't follow models we know work. Norway changed it's prison system twenty years ago and their recidivism rate is 20% after two years - in the UK 50% of criminals are back in it after one year.

And it's the voters fault. The tories jumped on "m0ar punishment" "lock em up longer" yet again during this election because they know it plays well to the electorate.

Well fuck you electorate. It's your fucking fault that you want to kick criminals rather than fix them.

 

[MesS°]

*Lurk*

 

[Scouse]

There goes @Embattle with his disagree.

Of course - you can't point at a punitive system anywhere in the world that works to support your archaic and demonstrably ridiculous belief (for belief is the category as it flies in the face of all the evidence), can you?

No? Just disagree away then m8...

 

[Embattle]

Ironically I partially agree but in my version it is limited to certain classes of offenders, judging by what you've said in the past we are quite far apart on which ones.

 

[Job]

It's because it acknowledges each victim and gives some small measure of closure.

The big thing here is why aren't the authorities getting an absolute kicking for a guy like this being let out by accident. And on top of that - why don't the public give the government and themselves a kicking for a having a punitive justice system which doesn't work - and is no better than a conveyor belt of recidivism - the same criminals, not getting proper treatment, finishing sentences, committing the same crimes and getting put back in prison again and again and again.

I absolutely loathe the portion of the public who refuse to accept the evidence of the past century that punishment is very little deterrent and just doesn't fucking work - and that we need to properly fund rehabilitation.

It's complete idiocy that we don't follow models we know work. Norway changed it's prison system twenty years ago and their recidivism rate is 20% after two years - in the UK 50% of criminals are back in it after one year.

And it's the voters fault. The tories jumped on "m0ar punishment" "lock em up longer" yet again during this election because they know it plays well to the electorate.

Well fuck you electorate. It's your fucking fault that you want to kick criminals rather than fix them.

He was to be let out soon anyway and what worries me is that no one picked up he was a psycopathic sex attacker after repeated investigations into his behaviour.

No one with that level of depravation and disconnection from reality should have passed parole boards....unless of course, as we all suspect he ..like everyone else passes their interviews with full support from his lawyer who tells him what to say.

Its..a...joke...

 

[Gwadien]

Don't worry, in 10 years time our prisons will be full of teenagers and young adults who have felt the effect of 10 years of Tories

 

[Scouse]

Its..a...joke...

You're a joke.

You're one of the "punish and hurt" lot. People like you, who vote like you, are the reason that proper close and regular psychiactric assesment isn't happening in prisons, that we're not focussing on rehabilitation and that our systems have never setup to do that - because when things like this happen you and people like you want to hurt (or really, kill) them, not help them.

It's not down to his lawyer that he's not had proper medical diagnoses of the fact he's a fucking psychopath - once you're in prison you do what you're told and get what you're given - and he wasn't given regular, detailed medical screening and followup (potentially lifelong) treatment with a view to understanding whether, upon release, he was a risk.

We have models that work. Proven to work - full-on evidential basis.

There is no political will to move to those models - because when politicians try they lose votes - from people like you.

Shame on you and your ilk.

 

[Job]

Scouse cant you see that prison doesnt work simply because the deterrent is missing..the sentencing is farcical
How the living fuck can you deter knife crime by handing out 7 year sentences for murder...which always gets downgraded to manslaughter, then reduced to 3.5 years.and let out after 3 on a tag.

The criminals themselves are in disbelief at how soon they are back in the streets.
3 years with smuggled mobiles..crack..spice..beak and blow on demand, prison wardens who apologise for upsetting them...playstations..internet access.

Back into crime with a badge of honour and a shit load of criminal contacts.
Prison doesnt work because it has long ceased to be a deterrent.

 

[Yoni]

He was to be let out soon anyway and what worries me is that no one picked up he was a psycopathic sex attacker after repeated investigations into his behaviour.

No one with that level of depravation and disconnection from reality should have passed parole boards....unless of course, as we all suspect he ..like everyone else passes their interviews with full support from his lawyer who tells him what to say.

Its..a...joke...

yes a Tory joke.

I am not saying that all illnesses can be rehabilitated but can the UK at least try. For the super violent / predative / dangerous they can also improve even if they do not imrpove to a point where they can be released. As a country there needs to be recognition that if you treat people like rabid animals they will behave like rabid animals. Put humans in an environment where they can learn and grow - where necessary be medicated to improve their symptoms and if they can absolutely never be released train them in an occupation that can give their life some meaning and that can be done from confinement.

 

[Gwadien]

@Job why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? It sounds like the perfect place for you.

 

[Yoni]

@Job why don't you move to Saudi Arabia? It sounds like the perfect place for you.

Can anyone answer this on behalf of @Job because this one is an easy one........

Because it is full of Muslims
Because it is full of brown people
Because it is full of people who do not speak english
...........

 

[Gwadien]

Yes but there's no other country that's ran like Saudi Arabia which Job approves of.

Even the US with their very profitable prison system isn't hardcore enough.

 

[Yoni]

@Job will only be satisfied with a pre 2nd world war Britain

 

[Scouse]

Scouse cant you see that prison doesnt work simply because the deterrent is missing

Prison doesnt work because it has long ceased to be a deterrent.

The idea of "deterrant" is fucking idiotic on a basic level. It's never worked. We have very good evidence for that (including the fact that the US kills their murderers - but murder is still rife).

If we, as a society, want to fix anything then we have to understand how humans work and design models around that - rather than the emotional whims of idiots like you who have poorly-educated complete disregard for evidence because you "feel" a certain way.

You're wrong. Evidence shows increased sentence length does fuck all. Never has done anything, ever.


When you see a 20% recidivism rate after 2 years in Norway - a massive turnaround - and a 50% one-year recidivism rate in the UK why the fuck aren't you screaming "look at the Norwegians! Their system is clearly better than ours! Lets just copy theirs whilst we figure out to improve our own!!"

But no. You don't want to copy a clearly better system, which results in less crime and better outcomes for society - because you want to TELL people "don't fucking do (what you're going to do) or we'll lockyouzuprofflelllesz"!

Definition of madness is doing the same thing and expecting different outcomes. You - and a significant enough proportion of the UK population to make this obvious easy no-brainer a vote loser, are fucking mad idiots.

 

[Job]

You cannot take punishment out of justice...its unworkable, the people will take the law into their own hands.

We are a hairs breadth from that now.
The liberal approach of being nice and mercival to stop offending has resulted in an epidemic prison population..if you dont take the crimes seriously then they wont take their behaviour seriously...and they dont.
My nephew who got done for drink driving and assault on a policeman.
His entire consequences was a small fine and a week working in a charity shop.
In the pub laughing about it...ripping the shit out of the gullible woman in the shop who never told anyone he came in at ten and left at 3.

The offenders think the justice system is a joke.

 

[Scouse]

Yes but there's no other country that's ran like Saudi Arabia which Job approves of.

Despite chopping theives hands off and stoning women to death in Saudia Arabia thieves still steal and women still get raped.

The dirty bitches

 

[Scouse]

You cannot take punishment out of justice...

Nobody is saying to do that, you bleeding idiot.

What is being said is that evidence shows that increasing the punishment doesn't act as a deterrant and never has - AND we've a perfectly good model we could move to that WORKS.

 

[Moriath]

Odo

Aye he was good in ds9 .

 

[Job]

Nobody is saying to do that, you bleeding idiot.

What is being said is that evidence shows that increasing the punishment doesn't act as a deterrant and never has - AND we've a perfectly good model we could move to that WORKS.

The Norwegian model works great in Norway..if you believe their statistics..which I dont, but more importantly Norway is nothing like the UK...its an utterly different culture, population and landscape.
You say you dont want to take out punishment..but thats exactly what is happening , you cant keep calling it punishment just because there is a tiny bit left.
The jails are full not because prison doesnt work..its because they are temporary inconvenience holding cells for criminals.
They are nothing more than timeout zones for people who just dont give a fuck because the more they offend , the more they are excused.

 

[Scouse]

Present your evidence or CTFO @Job...

Oh, that's right. You have none.

 

[Job]

Consecutive sentencing is the first port of call.
Just about every sentencing decision is based on the most serious crime.
The endemic acceptance of a lesser charge.
A process that always favours the criminal because hes the one with puppy eyes standing in a suit while the victims of every level are excluded and treated as an emotional based inconvenience.

Yes I would accept many areas of Sharia law...its socially fairer but unfortunately completely misogynist based except in areas where the woman is given punishment options.

 

[Scouse]

CTFO then @Job.

Your opinion is worthless.

At least you've shown that you're exactly what I said you are. That's something, I guess.

 

[Jupitus]

*Lurk*

Yay! Hello dude!!

 

[Moriath]

View: https://twitter.com/CrisKellyWriter/status/1204164393791115264

 

[Moriath]

View: https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1204279577188671488


@Wij ?

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1204279577188671488


@Wij ?

I. Um. What?

*wank*

 

[Embattle]

View: https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/1204279577188671488


@Wij ?

So you use a phone app to stop you using your phone and have sex.

 

[Hawkwind]

TWe have very good evidence for that (including the fact that the US kills their murderers - but murder is still rife).

Only legal in 30 states but federally the death peanlty is legal. Agree with the main point though, clear it is not a deterrant.

 

[Gwadien]

Fuck the death penalty, the rule some states have where if you commit -any- crime 3 times then you end up getting 25 years is the rotten part.