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[Embattle]

Plastic pollution kills half a million hermit crabs on remote islands

 

[Job]

Compared to what we kill for food in the sea.

Fish count estimates | fishcount.org.uk

 

[dysfunction]

The two are not mutually exclusive now are they.

 

[Scouse]

@Job in desparately trying to justify not doing anything about the impacts we're having non-shocker.

"We've just destroyed the world" we cry, moments before our death.
"So what? Worlds get destroyed all the time" says @Job.

 

[Job]

No my actual point would be that while we can work to stop throwaway plastics, we are going to carry on killing on a beyond epic scale to feed ourselves.
The numbers are just terrifying tbh, thats just fish ffs.
We kill 50 billion chickens a year.
This is how many animals we eat each year

Obviously these are out of natures life cycle, because we produce them for slaughter...its just that all this talk of crashing ecosystems, we run our own food ecosystem.

 

[Wij]

I fancy a KFC tbh

 

[Bodhi]

@Job in desparately trying to justify not doing anything about the impacts we're having non-shocker.

"We've just destroyed the world" we cry, moments before our death.
"So what? Worlds get destroyed all the time" says @Job.

Ok Doomer.

 

[Bodhi]

Anyway the plastic issue seems one we could easily deal with. We have a large amount of waste plastic, and ever decreasing amounts of energy thanks to people insist we fill the National Grid full of 17th Century technology. If only there was a way to square that circle.

Home - Plastic Energy

Oh.

 

[Job]

That website needs recycling.

 

[dysfunction]

That website needs recycling.

It's horrendous

 

[caLLous]

Anyway the plastic issue seems one we could easily deal with. We have a large amount of waste plastic, and ever decreasing amounts of energy thanks to people insist we fill the National Grid full of 17th Century technology. If only there was a way to square that circle.

Home - Plastic Energy

Oh.

Off you pop into the sea then to pick it all up.

 

[Scouse]

Off you pop into the sea then to pick it all up.

Yeah. And all of the worlds plastic, which is spread across the globe - including microplastics in the arctic - and bring it back to those two plants in Spain. The whole world's millions-of-tonnes excess.

Oh, and pull it out of the plankton? Maybe you can get 'em to throw it up into a skip or something...

 

[DaGaffer]

Off you pop into the sea then to pick it all up.

To be fair, it’s quite interesting technology if you look at it for reducing further plastic contamination, but it doesn’t fix the existing ocean problem (maybe a version of the tech on ships running around the Pacific scooping up plastic?), and it doesn’t address micro plastics at all.

edit - the website really needs to die in a fire; massively annoying

 

[Bodhi]

Off you pop into the sea then to pick it all up.

Yes, because in the year of 2019, if we want to get stuff out the sea we have to do it by hand. Big respect to the fisherman who got me my Haddock the other day. By hand clearly.

Or we could look on it as an interesting technology worthy of further development, turning an excess of something we don't need into something we do. That seems like real innovation, not a slightly bigger wind turbine which will be just as useless on a calm day.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah. And all of the worlds plastic, which is spread across the globe - including microplastics in the arctic - and bring it back to those two plants in Spain. The whole world's millions-of-tonnes excess.

Oh, and pull it out of the plankton? Maybe you can get 'em to throw it up into a skip or something...

Or we could build more plants, some that aren't even in Spain? Construction isn't just a European idea so could potentially be taken further?

 

[Embattle]

Though ultimately when you look around it still seems the basic inability of people to use bins is also a problem.

 

[Scouse]

Though ultimately when you look around it still seems the basic inability of people to use bins is also a problem.

When you look around (walk down a high-street, into a supermarket etc) - then the ubiquity of plastic as a substance that we use (especially frivolous use) is a huge issue.

It should be a much more severely controlled substance.

 

[Job]

Imagine if the oceans were freshwater and we started throwing salt in them.

Everyone would lose their shit, you're killing the planet!!

 

[caLLous]

I... I... what?

 

[Scouse]

I... I... what?

To be fair, these are the Job posts I love. The ones so utterly retarded that you actually laugh out loud.

Gotta love dumb people some times. He's the Carl Pilkington of Freddyshouse.

 

[Embattle]

When you look around (walk down a high-street, into a supermarket etc) - then the ubiquity of plastic as a substance that we use (especially frivolous use) is a huge issue.

It should be a much more severely controlled substance.

Well that is because it is a brilliant substance but it has serious issues like many of the vital substances we use when controlled and handled badly, personally I want to see tough limits placed on which plastics can be used and how they are used and then due to limiting the plastics that can be used tough controls bought in for recycling. As an example why are we still allowing black plastic trays to be used when we know a lot of places can't recycle them.

 

[Embattle]

Imagine if the oceans were freshwater and we started throwing salt in them.

Everyone would lose their shit, you're killing the planet!!

Apart from they aren't freshwater and salt is natural whereas plastic isn't and won't benefit the oceans in any way shape or form if it keeps finding it's way in to it.

 

[Yoni]

What really goads me are eko products individually wrapped in plastic

 

[Job]

Apart from they aren't freshwater and salt is natural whereas plastic isn't and won't benefit the oceans in any way shape or form if it keeps finding it's way in to it.

Well salt didnt benefit the oceans..it just changed it.
There are plenty of 'plastics' that occur naturally...tree resins etc are forms of what we call plastic.
Im just pointing out that life adapts...it may seem 'wrong', but its actually philisophical...is automating slaughter of billions any less wrong than filling the oceans with plastic dust and making nature evolve to cope.

 

[caLLous]

Well salt didnt benefit the oceans..it just changed it.
There are plenty of 'plastics' that occur naturally...tree resins etc are forms of what we call plastic.
Im just pointing out that life adapts...it may seem 'wrong', but its actually philisophical...is automating slaughter of billions any less wrong than filling the oceans with plastic dust and making nature evolve to cope.

So some fucker came along and dumped loads of salt in the freshwater oceans and everyone was up in arms about how dangerous it was going to be if they didn't do something about it? I must've missed that lesson at school.

You know that the whole problem with plastics is that they don't dissolve right? And that they just hang around in the ecosystem for decades, clogging shit up and killing wildlife? Do you realise how fucking stupid what you're saying is? You must realise...

 

[Scouse]

tree resins etc are forms of what we call plastic

No they're fucking not. Not even close. If you ever studied organic chemistry at school you'll know that the hydrocarbons require polymerisation - just like oil does - to become plastic.

But you never did study did you Carl. You just drag your knuckles and talk shit.

Do you realise how fucking stupid what you're saying is? You must realise...

Unconsciously incompetent. Nailed on years ago.

 

[Gwadien]

Well salt didnt benefit the oceans..it just changed it.
There are plenty of 'plastics' that occur naturally...tree resins etc are forms of what we call plastic.
Im just pointing out that life adapts...it may seem 'wrong', but its actually philisophical...is automating slaughter of billions any less wrong than filling the oceans with plastic dust and making nature evolve to cope.

Isn't that rubber?

 

[Scouse]

Isn't that rubber?

No. It's resin. Rubber is rubber.

Neither are plastics because plastics by definition are synthetic or semi-synthetic - they don't naturally occur. They require some form of processing to make them.

(Early "plastics" used common processes but in general we make plastic using industrial polymerisation processes - resins and rubbers are polymers but we make plastic out of petroleum and natural gas, processed hard. Long-chain hydrocarbons y'see. The basis of organic chemistry)

 

[Lamp]

If you squirted half a can of expanding foam in your wife's mouth would her head explode?

 

[Lamp]

Hypothetically