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[Scouse]

Exactly man. Scouse just got scienced.

My girlfriend just checked and nope, I'm not the one who's stoned

 

[Raven]

If you don't like that particular broadsheet how about The Finiancial Times then?

Good article, worth a read - and addresses sceptics too...

Directly applicable to you as well:

Soooo. 2 degrees in the best part of 300 years...forgive me if I don't run around in a panic. And 2 degrees where exactly? It certainly isn't globaly. Some places have cooled, some have warmed up. As I said before I would be more worried if everything stayed the same.

I am not a sceptic either, ofc the climate changes it has done since the earth formed. I just don't agree with this massive tax generating guilt machine. Fuel companies are making an absolute killing out of it. Not only can they price fix but they can also reap in subsidies for non starter "eco" projects that are either not even remotely eco or just end up being another source of revenue.

Each year we seem to have to pay out more through tax to cover this bullshit yet each year it is somehow getting worse...am I missing something somewhere? What exactly is all this tax money going on? It's certainly not going on cutting carbon emissions or cleaning the place up.

I have to recycle this, I have to recycle that. I have to pay an arm and a leg to keep the house warm. All the shit gets shipped to China at a massive eco cost who then uneconomically turn it into stupid shit to ship back again.

 

[Scouse]

So, @Raven, I'm confused. You now accept global warming is real, but you just don't give a shit about it?



Edit: Well, if you're editing:

It certainly isn't globaly.

Yep, that 2 degree is global. Much higher at the poles apparently.

 

[rynnor]

you can find studies that contradict the popular view // you can quote things that papers put in them .. they really dont mean much .. its all conjecture .. no one knows .... there isnt enough data or experience to prove anything one way or the other

This is the reality - of course the politicians need to sound certain so you end up with IPCC pronouncements that sound authoritative but the reality is that climate is damn complex with many hidden cycles we barely appreciate - that's why so far their predictions have been way off.

We still do not know what fraction of global warming is down to CO2 - that's the bottom line.

 

[Raven]

So, @Raven, I'm confused. You now accept global warming is real, but you just don't give a shit about it?

See edit ""

 

[Scouse]

See edit ""

And mine

 

[Raven]

Well that's simply not true then.

 

[Scouse]

Each year we seem to have to pay out more through tax to cover this bullshit yet each year it is somehow getting worse...am I missing something somewhere? What exactly is all this tax money going on? It's certainly not going on cutting carbon emissions or cleaning the place up.

But I agree with you on this.

Don't confuse the work of the scientists with the profiteering of companies or the ineptitude of governments.

 

[rynnor]

Well unlike AGW scientists who like to make predictions about distant times when they will be safely dead and long retired after a nice long ride on the gravy train we should know pretty soon if the sun really drives our climate.

 

[Raven]

Actually, would you be happy if the earth climate stayed exactly the same for the rest of time? Are you not worried that it was much warmer globally thousands of years ago? Or that it was Arctic conditions over half of Europe 10-15,000 years ago?

What is the happy state for earth climate for your average eco bleater? Where would you like it to stay exactly the same?

Will man be blamed for the next inevitable ice age? I am sure the government of the time will find some way to make us feel guilty about it and then tax us for it.

 

[Billargh]

This is all really interesting guys, where's all the pictures of lolcats etc?

 

[Raven]

 

[Raven]

Only £199 £1 goes to an eco charity of your choice.

 

[Raven]

 

[TdC]

http://kotaku.com/stop-motion-animator-spent-four-years-making-his-dream-1476989544

 

[Billargh]

That's more like it! Now we're all happy.

 

[Moriath]

Well unlike AGW scientists who like to make predictions about distant times when they will be safely dead and long retired after a nice long ride on the gravy train we should know pretty soon if the sun really drives our climate.

It's like mankind has some pre ordained right to live .. Every species goes extinct at some point even if it's when the earth burns to pieces. So ride the train how you like. .. Or how you can afford to. Of shit hits he fan tomorrow or in a billion years who cares. I won't be here will you. And if we all die tomorrow. Well I won't remember it will you ?

 

[ileks]

Life is the most precious gift that jah has given to us

 

[ileks]

...and Lamuchuns are fucking excellent. Has to be with all salad, lemon juice and a bit of salt. A new kebab shop opened around the corner and they do killer ones for £2.

 

[Job]

I am scepticalof mans ability to predict these possible changes and am tempted to think that both camps will grab the predictions that fit their agenda..all we can say with certainty is that its a massive experiment with the only atmosphere we have

 

[DaGaffer]

I don't really give a fuck about CO2 targets because China and India make them as about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike, but, it would be really interesting to see a graph of fossil fuel consumption over the last 10-15 years matched to a graph of consumption based on what would have happened if we hadn't implemented successive carbon laws. Because even if you don't care about CO2, you should care about resource depletion.

 

[rynnor]

Because even if you don't care about CO2, you should care about resource depletion.

Resource depletion is inevitable though for energy resources - even radioactives will eventually run out and the sun will die. Of course we don't really have to worry about any of this because the human race will be long dead by that point.

 

[DaGaffer]

Resource depletion is inevitable though for energy resources - even radioactives will eventually run out and the sun will die. Of course we don't really have to worry about any of this because the human race will be long dead by that point.

Of course, but the risk is a bottleneck in energy availability before we move on to new sources. There's energy out there that will last us the next billion years, but we have to get off the rock to get it (which also solves a bunch of environmental issues at a stroke), when the danger is we waste effort squeezing the last drop of hydrocarbons out of the planet instead. Apart from anything else oil is incredibly useful stuff, too useful to be sticking it in Toyota Corollas.

 

[Raven]

Yes but the eco bleaters moan about our only other current viable alternative source of energy too, nuclear.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yes but the eco bleaters moan about our only other current viable alternative source of energy too, nuclear.

Some do, but a lot accept reality.

 

[rynnor]

Of course, but the risk is a bottleneck in energy availability before we move on to new sources. There's energy out there that will last us the next billion years, but we have to get off the rock to get it (which also solves a bunch of environmental issues at a stroke), when the danger is we waste effort squeezing the last drop of hydrocarbons out of the planet instead. Apart from anything else oil is incredibly useful stuff, too useful to be sticking it in Toyota Corollas.

We have several hundred thousand years worth of radioactives left - probably more as tech improves - I doubt we will last that long.

We are sitting on tons of junk plastic that could be recycled its just not worthwhile while oil is so cheap and abundant so it sits in landfill waiting for its time.

We can manufacture synthetic lubricants/high performance oils these days and if necessary oil itself can be synthesised using other carbon sources like wood.

Until oil is really expensive we wont move on - the markets can manage scarce resources rather well.

 

[Job]

I always think on an icy morning going to work with the heater on full doing 50mph how gloriously disconnected from reality I am...ripping through an energy source that took millions of years to make and paying buttons for it.
These are the glory days people..in 50 years time youll be allocated 1000kw a month and gps will control your speed and direction.

 

[Scouse]

It's like mankind has some pre ordained right to live .. Every species goes extinct at some point even if it's when the earth burns to pieces. So ride the train how you like. .. Or how you can afford to. Of shit hits he fan tomorrow or in a billion years who cares. I won't be here will you. And if we all die tomorrow. Well I won't remember it will you ?

That's fucking retarded.

If you saw a young girl about to get run over by a lorry would you call out to her, or would you just figure "fuck it, I'm ridin' the train yo', lets watch this bitch die"

If you can see a problem, you fix it.

 

[Scouse]

the markets can manage scarce resources rather well.

Clearly not true.

If the markets were good at managing finite resources then they'd protect really useful-for-everyone stuff before it became so scarce that only the rich would be able to afford it.

 

[Chilly]

I always think on an icy morning going to work with the heater on full doing 50mph how gloriously disconnected from reality I am...ripping through an energy source that took millions of years to make and paying buttons for it.
These are the glory days people..in 50 years time youll be allocated 1000kw a month and gps will control your speed and direction.

I can't wait for self driving cars. Humans are TERRIBLE drivers. Sleepy, distracted, chatting, snoozing, speeding, skidding. Fuck me, I'm amazed I'm alive every time I get off the M40 in London.