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[caLLous]

 

[Scouse]

Me today, climbing out of Pott Shrigley.

Nice one Tom. That sunset was superb!

I went MTBing up near Ladybower and Hope Cross with a couple of mates on Sunday. No video - but took this pic of my accomplices on the summit of Win Hill.

NSFW, btw:

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Win in all of the ways!

Although blurry because it was windy as hell

And for the hell of it a pic which is SFW:

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Edit: Oooh. I like the auto-thumbnailing and click to full-size @Deebs

 

[Lamp]

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/06/higgs-boson-physics-hits-buffers-discovery

 

[mooSe_]

http://theshovel.com.au/2013/12/09/man-forced-to-watch-concert-through-his-own-eyes/

 

[Shagrat]

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/aug/06/higgs-boson-physics-hits-buffers-discovery

interesting read that.

 

[Overdriven]

http://theshovel.com.au/2013/12/09/man-forced-to-watch-concert-through-his-own-eyes/

God dammit, stupid eyes. When will I be able to buy iEyes?!

 

[Overdriven]

1 day at a new hospital (Compared to 4+ years in Stafford) and my medical care for Crohn's is already advancing faster than it did in that time..

Have a pre-assessment in Jan, a anal probing in Feb then am on a new drug (Tablet and stomach injections) in Feb too. One of the drugs mean I have to stop smoking (Causes them to be less effective, supposedly) - Which means, I might have to go against all my willpower and start running - OUTSIDE

Might aswell get my body back into shape and help the healing process along..

 

[Aoami]

Go on Helle!!

 

[rynnor]

News you wont hear about 2013 - it's not been a good year for global warming in the UK - at this point barring a return to mid-summer temps we are looking at another below average temperature year in which various months set records for low temperatures.

That makes 3 of the last 4 years below the 20 year average (2010, 2011 and now 2013) - those who favoured the solar activity theory of warming are beginning to smile...

Rather than global warming in a hundred years we could see a Dalton or even a maunder minimum within a few years time with decades of below average temperatures - the energy companies will love it.

 

[Scouse]

That for global temperatures or just UK temps @rynnor?

Amazing tho. It's been a fucking corking year in the uk - astonishingly sunny. But I guess only a few 30+ degree-ers. Just loads of sun and very little cloud.

 

[Moriath]

That for global temperatures or just UK temps @rynnor?

Amazing tho. It's been a fucking corking year in the uk - astonishingly sunny. But I guess only a few 30+ degree-ers. Just loads of sun and very little cloud.

Depends where you were

 

[Madmaxx]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD_gRsKbymc

 

[Madmaxx]

this is like watching someones FIFA 13 montage on youtube


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_l26I2HUC4

 

[Madmaxx]

Canada intends to lay claim to the North Pole as part of a bid to assert control over a large part of the resource-rich Arctic, Foreign Minister John Baird said on Monday.

The move could raise tensions with Denmark and Russia, both of which also look set to lay claim to the North Pole on the grounds it lies on a continental shelf they control.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...ssia-by-claiming-ownership-of-north-pole?lite

 

[Access Denied]

this is like watching someones FIFA 13 montage on youtube


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_l26I2HUC4

Where the fuck was Henry's goal against Manchester United? You know the one.

 

[rynnor]

That for global temperatures or just UK temps @rynnor?

Amazing tho. It's been a fucking corking year in the uk - astonishingly sunny. But I guess only a few 30+ degree-ers. Just loads of sun and very little cloud.

It was a record cold spring but the summer was great but not excessively warm - perfect by my standards

The Solar minimums affect climate in the Northern Hemisphere through a not really understood mechanism - lowering the average by several degree's rather rapidly.

Such a big drop would impact the global temperature and we have to hope there's no large scale volcanic activity or we could really freeze.

 

[Raven]

It will be interested to see how they fiddle their results again to enable more restrictions and higher taxation.

 

[caLLous]

 

[old.Tohtori]

You got some nice hairy legs cally

 

[Yoni]

I travelled back from IOM with David Coverdale yesterday evening ... Bizarrely gentle soul.... Ageing rockstars are human too

 

[Scouse]

It was a record cold spring

It will be interested to see how they fiddle their results again to enable more restrictions and higher taxation.

So. It was a record cold winter/spring because the jet stream was at a location much further south than it would usually occupy.

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Jetstream Positioning For Dummies

This gave rise to record low temps early on. But only early on. UK mean temperatures for autumn (in fact, since June), for example, were slightly above average.


So, due to an exceptional weather effect in a local (UK) area, producing record low UK temps over a short time period both you and Raven have decided that global temperatures are obviously the same over a longer time period and global warming is definitely bullshit.


Okaaaaaaay

 

[rynnor]

So. It was a record cold winter/spring because the jet stream was at a location much further south than it would usually occupy.
* SPOILER *
This gave rise to record low temps early on. But only early on. UK mean temperatures for autumn (in fact, since June), for example, were slightly above average.

So, due to an exceptional weather effect in a local (UK) area, producing record low UK temps over a short time period both you and Raven have decided that global temperatures are obviously the same over a longer time period and global warming is definitely bullshit.

Okaaaaaaay

Hmm - no the UK figures just illustrate what happens when the jetstream is disrupted.

When you enter a dalton or maunder minimum you get a lot more years like this. It impacts temperatures accross the whole northern hemisphere - Nasa did a nice analysis I can dig out.

Edit - here you are - http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=7122

They suggest its down to a decrease in ozone production due to lower UV but until we experience one no one can be sure.

I would suggest that we are already entering into a period of such conditions - these things have a very rapid onset.

 

[rynnor]

US suspend aid to the Syria opposition

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25331241

They finally realised the civil war has been taken over by Al Qaeda insurgents who have been wiping out the Free Syrian Army. If anything the US may end up having to support Assad to prevent the creation of another rogue state in the middle east.

The Ex-army chief of Israel is quoted today saying Israel would prefer Assad to remain over the 'rebels' - http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Ex-arm...-prefers-Assad-over-Islamists-in-Syria-334644

 

[Raven]

Big wall around the place. Done

 

[mooSe_]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLRenq6IhZ0

 

[mooSe_]

View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwylBRucU7w

 

[Scouse]

Interesting, but largely irrelevant stuff

I call bull rynnor. You said this:

it's not been a good year for global warming in the UK

But the arguments you put forward are nothing to do with global warming. Even in the article you quoted they don't make a mention of global warming - because they are talking about separate mechanisms.

Maunder minimum may well indeed be on the way - and it may cause a long-term change to the jet stream, giving the UK and Europe colder winters. I've no issue with that. It may even have an effect on global temperatures - though the relocation of cold air from one place to another may or may not do that.

Either way - it's absolutely nothing to do with carbon dioxide buildup increasing heat retention.

Yes, the sun can "stop shining" a bit - and global temperatures can go down. But when the maunder minimum passes, and goes back to normal, then all you'll find when you come out the other side is that the carbon dioxide heat-retention is the same as it ever was - and the temperature just keeps on going up.

It's a long-term process - not a short-term effect like the solar issue.


Or are you saying that we shouldn't bother with trying to combat CO2 emissions because the sun is going to shine a little less hard forever....?

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[rynnor]

Or are you saying that we shouldn't bother with trying to combat CO2 emissions because the sun is going to shine a little less hard forever....?

No one knows is the short and honest answer - hopefully not or the whole planet is fucked tbh.

It's bad news for global warming on a number of fronts - one no-ones going to keep paying green taxes to stop the world warming when the global temperature is dropping like a stone.

Two - the IPCC have presented the sun as largely irrelevant to global warming - this would all start to fall apart if it crashes global warming.

Three and potentially fatal for AGW is that the sun in the last 50 years has been unusually highly active (a grand maxima basically) and there's a pretty good argument to be made that it is the true mechanism for global warming not CO2.

I'm sure CO2 has an effect but it could be pathetically tiny in reality and lost in the noise.

 

[Raven]

Four. Humans only generate, what, 5%? of global CO2 emissions anyway. Lowering that by a couple of percent won't make any difference. Total non production of CO2 (which cant happen) wouldn't make a lot of difference.