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[caLLous]

A primary school. Fucking hell that's bad.

 

[Cerb]

This world is a fucking terrible place sometimes.

My wife's mother is a elementary school teacher in Manchester Connecticut....when I first heard this story I just heard it reported as Connecticut and the bottom dropped out of my stomach for a minute.

 

[opticle]

Fucking awful.

Oh yeah, a Right to bear arms.. Fuck off America, you're fucking idiotic.

 

[Scouse]

Yes it's fucking awful.

However, having been completely anti-gun in my youth, I now think that, on balance, the right to bear arms is a good, not a bad thing.

 

[Gwadien]

Yes it's fucking awful.

However, having been completely anti-gun in my youth, I now think that, on balance, the right to bear arms is a good, not a bad thing.

Do you also have slave labour camps in 17 different countries now?

 

[opticle]

Yes it's fucking awful.

However, having been completely anti-gun in my youth, I now think that, on balance, the right to bear arms is a good, not a bad thing.

Were it not for that attitude, this would not have happened.

It put the guns in the hands of a crazy fuck, who you simply can't spot until they do something like this. That person then walked into a primary school and killed 27 people, including kids aged 5-12 years old.

 

[Scouse]

Were it not for that attitude, this would not have happened. It put the guns in the hands of a crazy fuck...

Not true.

Guns are controlled in the UK. Yet we have quite a lot of gun crime...

Even if I agreed with you (which I don't - for good reasons) how the fuck do you "disarm" America? The answer is - you can't. Not in a hundred years. There are so many guns that you couldn't possibly get them all.

What would happen is that the law-abiding would hand them in and the criminals wouldn't.


Joy.

 

[old.user4556]

I've seen a lot of anti-gun pish on Twitter and retweets from Michael Moore, but take away the guns, and something will simply replace them.

 

[Aoami]

23 injured by a knife, 27 dead from guns. Doesn't add up to me.

 

[Cerb]

I've seen a lot of anti-gun pish on Twitter and retweets from Michael Moore, but take away the guns, and something will simply replace them.

Nobody died.

 

[old.user4556]

Injured or dead - my point is some nutter will do what it takes.

Edit: before anyone jumps down my throat saying "OMG THE DIDN'T DIED".

Edit part2: too late.

 

[Deebs]

Tragic but is what happens when you allow citizens easy access to firearms regardless of their mental health/suitability etc (in my opinion).

 

[Cyradix]

How you can ever decide to go kill kids is beyond me...

 

[old.user4556]

I'm just guessing, but I'm presuming their mentally fucked up, super fucked on meth, or both.

 

[Job]

Soon we'll be seeing '0' deaths since 2002 outside schools alongside the exam results

 

[opticle]

Not true.

Guns are controlled in the UK. Yet we have quite a lot of gun crime...

Not so many school massacres though ??

And far less gun crime proportionately (I imagine).

I agree with you about disarming - however, the point is that it makes it a lot harder for the crazies WITHOUT criminal connections to arm themselves in the first place. It wouldn't happen overnight, but over time, people would become disarmed.

If you understand mental health, these types are not hardened criminals, but they have problems. Make something difficult to do - like get a gun in this country - and they will likely not bother to do it. I've seen a fair bit of mental health, and a fair few who I wouldn't be surprised if they carried a knife. A lot of people fall between the cracks, especially in a country with privatised health care - give them the option of picking up a gun at the shops and..

And as Aoami and Cerb said about the China knife attack, no one died..

But yes, you're right, something else did replace guns there - something LESS lethal.

 

[Scouse]

But yes, you're right, something else did replace guns there

Like it would (in a couple of hundred years or so) in the US.

Maybe they would be replaced with an authoritarian government that kills more than all of the gun crime in history put together? Maybe not. But maybe...

 

[old.Tohtori]

New level of low, horrible news, no comment on the soapbox rush.

 

[Deebs]

New level of low, horrible news, no comment on the soapbox rush.

How is it a new level of low? America has suffered a worse gun killing before. Most of these people cannot differentiate between a child and an adult, doubt they even give a shit about "human life" and just see bipedal things as stuff to shoot.

 

[Job]

27 kids... that's about 3 drone strikes in Afghanistan

 

[old.Tohtori]

How is it a new level of low? America has suffered a worse gun killing before. Most of these people cannot differentiate between a child and an adult, doubt they even give a shit about "human life" and just see bipedal things as stuff to shoot.

From the shooters POV, yeah, same deal probably. From a neutral POV, regular level of shooting. From my POV shooting kids is worse.

Opinion based so requires no more justification i think.

 

[Deebs]

From the shooters POV, yeah, same deal probably. From a neutral POV, regular level of shooting. From my POV shooting kids is worse.

Opinion based so requires no more justification i think.

For most sane people shooting kids is worse as they still have their entire lives ahead of them, that is not the point. The people that carry out these types of attack do not give a fucking care about who/what they shoot at. It is not a new low, that is my point.

 

[opticle]

Maybe they would be replaced with an authoritarian government that kills more than all of the gun crime in history put together? Maybe not. But maybe...

If that were to happen, you think a few idiotic people with glocks stand a chance ?

Then again I guess there are the crazies and the drug gangs too..

 

[Scouse]

If that were to happen, you think a few idiotic people with glocks stand a chance ?

When a people rise up? Yes.

Look at what's going on around the world right now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

For most sane people shooting kids is worse as they still have their entire lives ahead of them, that is not the point. The people that carry out these types of attack do not give a fucking care about who/what they shoot at. It is not a new low, that is my point.

The new low comment was from outside POV though. Worse, more horrible, other terms like that. It wasn't a commentary on the shooters psyche, or the reasons, just the event.

I understand what you're saying, just that i didn't mean to comment from that POV.

 

[Deebs]

The new low comment was from outside POV though. Worse, more horrible, other terms like that. It wasn't a commentary on the shooters psyche, or the reasons, just the event.

I understand what you're saying, just that i didn't mean to comment from that POV.

No problem, and all the children being slaughtered in Africa, the Middle East and other war torn countries? That a new low too? Children are being slaughtered everyday around the world, today's killing in America is not more news worthy than some fucker (NATO or terrorists) killing scores of kids elsewhere in the world.

Thing is, this happened in a "civilised" society so it is "oh so bad" and is the most important news of the day, fuck the fuck is it, location shouldn't matter. Report on how our soldiers and allies kill children then.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes they are being slaughtered elsewhere in the world and saying this is more horrible then other school shootings doesn't take the horrible away from those events.

I was simply saying that to me this is worse then previous school shooting stories i've seen, no need to make it into something bigger then that.

 

[Deebs]

Yes they are being slaughtered elsewhere in the world and saying this is more horrible then other school shootings doesn't take the horrible away from those events.

I was simply saying that to me this is worse then previous school shooting stories i've seen, no need to make it into something bigger then that.

I am not, I am merely pointing out that it is not a new low in any sense of the words. It just seems to have made headline news cos it happened in our own backyard regardless of the fact that "we" are killing children in someone elses backyard and yet noone says a dime. Sweep it under the carpet, they are not one of us so fuck it, cannot be news.

Just makes me cringe, kill a western kid and "the world is crazy, kill them all", "kill a kid in a war zone, collateral damage, move along, nothing to see here". Fucking hypocritical bunch of cunts we have become.

 

[Scouse]

Give it up Deeblar. He's not going to admit anything

 

[Aoami]

this is absolutely fucking tragic. why would someone do this?