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BloodOmen

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And they know this. So why are we still doing it?

Like the terror legislation Labour introduced under their last government, being massively misused:


Half tempted to use their verification on porn sites now, only i'll use Keir Starmer as my name instead or Farage, then get a VPN to set my location to London and watch some proper degenerate shit.
 

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Timing - I'll be back on the highseas, too. Adverts and shite video compression, on every fucking thing. Cancelling all subscriptions.

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Won't happen tho. People do keep voting Labour, when they know what they're like.

ID cards next. That'll be Emb into a warm jizzy wankfest ;)
 

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Aye, thats where the old saying comes from "Never meet your heroes" or in this case, learn about the real them.
It's a truism for a reason. I've been burnt too many times by authors whose books I used to enjoy as a kid who later turned out to be assholes or far, far worse.
 

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It's a truism for a reason. I've been burnt too many times by authors whose books I used to enjoy as a kid who later turned out to be assholes or far, far worse.

Aye... that said, a lot of the time I can separate the art from the artist but not always mind. Sometimes total arseholes just make good things, its an unfortunate side effect of their brilliance.
 

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Just out of morbid interest, which ones? :)
Well the one that came out of nowhere to almost everyone about a decade ago was David Eddings. He wrote the Belgariad which was a super popular fantasy series way back when I was a teen (it still gets mentioned today). There was this blurb on all his books how he became a writer after retiring. Turns out that was a flat-out lie. He tried writing because he could no longer find work after he and his wife were jailed for long-term child abuse of all their foster children.
 

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Well the one that came out of nowhere to almost everyone about a decade ago was David Eddings. He wrote the Belgariad which was a super popular fantasy series way back when I was a teen (it still gets mentioned today). There was this blurb on all his books how he became a writer after retiring. Turns out that was a flat-out lie. He tried writing because he could no longer find work after he and his wife were jailed for long-term child abuse of all their foster children.

Unfortunately a lot of SF and fantasy writers have turned out to have feet of clay; Marion Zimmer Bradley, Orson Scott Card etc. Although I think all the Neil Gaiman stuff is dodgy because he's always been really clear and upfront about his sexual proclivities; any women getting into anything with him knew what was what.
 

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Unfortunately a lot of SF and fantasy writers have turned out to have feet of clay; Marion Zimmer Bradley, Orson Scott Card etc. Although I think all the Neil Gaiman stuff is dodgy because he's always been really clear and upfront about his sexual proclivities; any women getting into anything with him knew what was what.
From what I've read about Orson Scott Card his is more of a sad tale that being an utter dickwad, at least according to fellow writers who have known him for a long time. He wasn't always the devout follower of the LDS Church and adherent of their bigotry. I mean if you've read enough of his earlier works it's one hell of a dichotomy - how could someone who wrote those words speak in public like he does today. Anyway, supposedly he had a complete personality shift (aka mental breakdown) after the early death of his son and flipped from atheist to the religion of his upbringing.
 

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I think, criminality aside, everyone's an arsehole to some degree.

If you're famous and someone finds out you hold a weird opinion then all that is going to be talked about is that weird opinion.

You might spend every day working in soup kitchens and helping old ladies cross roads, but if the public hear you hold a really dumb opinion then that becomes who you are.
 

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