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[Scouse]

It's not about not liking the outcome of the study, I just refuse to believe that study is 100% accurate given how shite most Americans health is anyway due to the poor quality of American foods.

1) Easy to factor for that. (They have to do it for all studies).

2):

My nan has been using weed for decades for pain, she's 97 now, way above the average lifespan of people - never had a stroke or heart issues and eats healthy.

the literal classic smoker denialist "my nan smoked 20 a day and lived to be a hundred" argument...

3)

Had that study been done almost anywhere but America, It'd hold more water.

This is just a science fail on your part tbh.

Look. I get it. You smoke weed. (I used to myself). But why not simply accept that it's likely as bad for you as smoking tobacco and then do one of two things:

1) Crack on with your pungent hobby; or
2) Take a look at the evidence and decide to do something about it

Make a choice, one way or the other. That's way better than becoming an annoying smoker-denialist type.

 

[BloodOmen]

1) Easy to factor for that. (They have to do it for all studies).

2):

the literal classic smoker denialist "my nan smoked 20 a day and lived to be a hundred" argument...

3)

This is just a science fail on your part tbh.

Look. I get it. You smoke weed. (I used to myself). But why not simply accept that it's likely as bad for you as smoking tobacco and then do one of two things:

1) Crack on with your pungent hobby; or
2) Take a look at the evidence and decide to do something about it

Make a choice, one way or the other. That's way better than becoming an annoying smoker-denialist type.

You think so?

"Americans at risk for stroke
High blood pressure, high cholesterol, smoking, obesity, and diabetes are leading causes of stroke. One in 3 U.S. adults has at least one of these conditions or habits.2 "

If only there was some sort of correlation other than smoking that Americans have a high number of *scratches chin*

 

[Scouse]

You think so?

Yes. This is a science fail on your part.

Literally every single scientific health study done on any population caters for the other health issues experienced by those populations.

If we couldn't do that, we couldn't do any health science whatsoever. <-think about what that would mean.

 

[BloodOmen]

Yes. This is a science fail on your part.

Literally every single scientific health study done on any population caters for the other health issues experienced by those populations.

If we couldn't do that, we couldn't do any health science whatsoever. <-think about what that would mean.

Stroke Much More Prevalent In United States Than In Europe

American adults have a higher prevalence of stroke than their European counterparts, due in part to a higher rate of stroke risk factors among Americans and barriers to care in the United States. Compared to European men, U.S. men had 61 percent higher odds of having a stroke and U.S. women had...

www.sciencedaily.com

From 2008, long before weed was legalized in the states. But sure, American study is infallible because a scientist said so... I mean, science has never been wrong before, right?

 

[Tom]

Noice. My builder is currently putting a new slate roof on for me. We had bats so we've had to use bituminous felt rather than the standard breathable under the batterns.

Use copper nails is the tip I have. Not galvanised / steel. (But then it depends what you're roofing with).

Yeah I have a bag of those on the way, I was going to use slate hooks but I think if I do that I can't maintain the same slate layout, and it being a terraced house it'd look daft if mine weren't aligned with the neighbours.

 

[Scouse]

Stroke Much More Prevalent In United States Than In Europe

American adults have a higher prevalence of stroke than their European counterparts, due in part to a higher rate of stroke risk factors among Americans and barriers to care in the United States. Compared to European men, U.S. men had 61 percent higher odds of having a stroke and U.S. women had...

www.sciencedaily.com

You're conceptually failing about how science is done m8. The fact that stroke is more prevalent in the US than in Europe is catered for.

 

[MYstIC G]

View: https://youtu.be/9pEqyr_uT-k

 

[Deebs]

View: https://youtu.be/9pEqyr_uT-k

Cor that is a terrorist's wet dream.

 

[Lamp]

Got myself a mini PC. Laptop was taking up too much room. Its so fast. Power off to fully booted is about 6 seconds. Its faster than my laptop. Far better graphics chip. 1TB - plenty for me

The one let down is Windows 11. Windows 10 sure wasn't perfect but at least you could change the size of the taskbar, and have folders open up automatically when you insert a USB device. And the lack of right click functionality is so annoying.

Apart from that its bloody awesome for what I need (Excel, vlc player, and Chrome basically)

 

[Scouse]

Bitcoin at $61k, ETFs up and running so institutional investors can pour their billions in.

BBC carrying articles without the usual massive scaremongering, like:

What is Bitcoin? Key cryptocurrency terms and what they mean

As Bitcoin's price makes headlines once more, here's a look at some key crypto terms and their meanings.

www.bbc.co.uk

Seems to be very clear that this scam / white elephant / pyramid scheme / tulip farm - is now "legitimate"...

 

[Embattle]

Stroke Much More Prevalent In United States Than In Europe

American adults have a higher prevalence of stroke than their European counterparts, due in part to a higher rate of stroke risk factors among Americans and barriers to care in the United States. Compared to European men, U.S. men had 61 percent higher odds of having a stroke and U.S. women had...

www.sciencedaily.com

From 2008, long before weed was legalized in the states. But sure, American study is infallible because a scientist said so... I mean, science has never been wrong before, right?

You've surely got an issue since this is clearly an American study, thus this is an increase over other Americans.

Marijuana Use Dramatically Increases Risk of Heart Problems, Stroke

Regularly using marijuana can significantly increase a person’s risk of heart attack, heart failure, and stroke, according to a pair of new studies that will be presented at a major upcoming medical conference.

www.webmd.com

The response to this will no doubt be the same as when such evidence appears about anything we like doing or are addicted to.

 

[Scouse]

The response to this will no doubt be the same as when such evidence appears about anything we like doing or are addicted to.

Like:

Ultra-processed food linked to 32 harmful effects to health, review finds

World’s largest review finds direct associations with higher risks of cancer, heart disease and early death

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raven]

I love bamboo socks, that is all.

 

[Tom]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcFh8XHZOiA

 

[Scouse]

You've posted it before we can view it @Tom? Premiers in 7 minutes?

WTF?

 

[Tom]

It's Grade A Under A and he's worth the wait.

 

[Scouse]

The big old NordVPN advert made me turn it off.

 

[BloodOmen]

You've surely got an issue since this is clearly an American study, thus this is an increase over other Americans.

Marijuana Use Dramatically Increases Risk of Heart Problems, Stroke

Regularly using marijuana can significantly increase a person’s risk of heart attack, heart failure, and stroke, according to a pair of new studies that will be presented at a major upcoming medical conference.

www.webmd.com

The response to this will no doubt be the same as when such evidence appears about anything we like doing or are addicted to.

No skin in the game for me. Smoked weed once when I was a teen, havent touched it since nor do I smoke cigs.

 

[Bodhi]

Like:

Ultra-processed food linked to 32 harmful effects to health, review finds

World’s largest review finds direct associations with higher risks of cancer, heart disease and early death

www.theguardian.com

And of course, smoking weed is in no way associated with the increased consumption of "ultra processed foods" and reduction in exercise now is it?

Add in just how unhealthy US munchies are (I've been in Denver all week so seen it first hand again) and I'll take that study with a pinch of salt.

Obviously not too big a pinch as that's bad for you as well.

 

[Lamp]

Name That Bumhole - Guess The Animals From Their Bumholes - Animal Trivia Game - 55 Flashcards 4.9"x3.2" (12.5x8.1cm) https://amzn.eu/d/dBWPnrA

 

[Raven]

Yeah, because everything running on software is such a wonderful idea.

Nissan accused of dumping its electric car pioneers

Owners of older vehicles tell the BBC of their anger that their cars' apps will stop working.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Embattle]

Yeah, because everything running on software is such a wonderful idea.

Nissan accused of dumping its electric car pioneers

Owners of older vehicles tell the BBC of their anger that their cars' apps will stop working.

www.bbc.co.uk

I read that article and thought it was trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yeah, because everything running on software is such a wonderful idea.

Nissan accused of dumping its electric car pioneers

Owners of older vehicles tell the BBC of their anger that their cars' apps will stop working.

www.bbc.co.uk

"David Morris, who has a 2014 Nissan Leaf, received an email on Wednesday which said his app will stop working next month.
"When you buy a car you expect to have support for it for at least 10 years," he told BBC News."

*Looks at calendar*

 

[Ormorof]

I worked at Nissan when the Leaf launched, their software setup was a nightmare of outsourcing to cheapest devs they can find and good old incompetence. Heard since that most auto manufacturers are even worse so not surprised shit is hitting the fan when old hardware is getting phased out

 

[Scouse]

What's shit about it is that 2G isn't getting officially turned off for 5 more years. So why disable it?

I have a fundamental problem with tech companies just deciding they're not supporting (i.e. they're bricking by choice) perfectly functional things.

E.g. Sonos bricked a load of perfectly good speakers. Aside from it being the opposite of 'customer service' it's environmentally reprehensible.

There needs to be a law change - if you sell a product it must be supported until it breaks on it's own. (And built-in obsolecence should be criminalised).

 

[Raven]

"David Morris, who has a 2014 Nissan Leaf, received an email on Wednesday which said his app will stop working next month.
"When you buy a car you expect to have support for it for at least 10 years," he told BBC News."

*Looks at calendar*

Normal people don't replace their car every couple of years, or if they do, it's used.

A car should not be reliant on software that can fail. If it works today, then there is no reason for it not tomorrow, especially on something 10 years old, that has no hardware changes.

And if you suggest that paying the silly costs of an EV, only to have it become useless, or half it's features go missing, in a few years is acceptable, then I have a fine line in bridges.

 

[Raven]

I worked at Nissan when the Leaf launched, their software setup was a nightmare of outsourcing to cheapest devs they can find and good old incompetence. Heard since that most auto manufacturers are even worse so not surprised shit is hitting the fan when old hardware is getting phased out

It isn't getting fazed out, it's still in the vehicle. The software is still in the vehicle. There is no real reason for it to stop working.

The only thing changing, is a shitty app. 2G won't be fazed out just yet.

If this becomes a regular thing, which the article suggests, then it's another turd on the carpet of used EVs, and assorted other used cars.

 

[caLLous]

It's not just software - there are 2G units in the cars that can only connect to a 2G network. So when the 2G network gets shut down (which might not happen for another 10 years) they'll stop working organically but there's no reason for Nissan to shut them down early "in anticipation". The fact is that when 2G goes down, there's nothing Nissan can do to keep the system working (short of a recall to upgrade the 2G hardware).

This really isn't specifically about EVs either, it's just a choice Nissan made to put a certain generation of mobile tech in the car with no long term planning. It could affect any car that has data capabilities.

 

[Raven]

It's not just software - there are 2G units in the cars that can only connect to a 2G network. So when the 2G network gets shut down (which might not happen for another 10 years) they'll stop working organically but there's no reason for Nissan to shut them down early "in anticipation". The fact is that when 2G goes down, there's nothing Nissan can do to keep the system working (short of a recall to upgrade the 2G hardware).

This really isn't specifically about EVs either, it's just a choice Nissan made to put a certain generation of mobile tech in the car with no long term planning. It could affect any car that has data capabilities.

Yeah, I get the reasons behind it. But if every single thing on your car works via a crappy tablet, and a bunch of proprietary sensors (lets not even get on to obsolescence by design...Apple...) then you're destroying the used car market.

And not just because you can only take it to the manufacturer, but because the software to work on it becomes specialised, and prone to either not being supported, or not having anyone around that can use it. These are a few luxury gadgets that will fail. What it if's fluids management, in a sealed unit (Mercedes) ?

It's a timebomb.

Whether or not it's an EV, petrol, or even Hydrogen, cars are shit now.

 

[DaGaffer]

What's shit about it is that 2G isn't getting officially turned off for 5 more years. So why disable it?

I have a fundamental problem with tech companies just deciding they're not supporting (i.e. they're bricking by choice) perfectly functional things.

E.g. Sonos bricked a load of perfectly good speakers. Aside from it being the opposite of 'customer service' it's environmentally reprehensible.

There needs to be a law change - if you sell a product it must be supported until it breaks on it's own. (And built-in obsolecence should be criminalised).

This isn't being driven by the UK; the 2G network globally will be a patchwork quilt globally by the end of this year. Europe is sunsetting it more slowly (3G seems to be going faster) but it's still happening.

It's still rubbish that Nissan are killing it in the UK, but it's also not remotely surprising, and long term support for apps is a minefield, not just in automotive; I've just been through something similar at work where an app has been outsourced by our core software provider and then became completely unsupportable. Apps, especially Android Apps, are a fucking pain in the arse. Always have been.

2G & 3G Sunsets: When They’ll Happen and How to Prepare | emnify Blog

Carriers around the world are shutting down their 2G and 3G networks. Here’s how to make sure your business is ready.

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