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[Gray]

I'm shit with internet settings, I changed the DNS on my phone to the adblock link, it worked perfect on my phone using phone data, but would it shite connect to my WiFi.

When I reverted the setting my VPN acted up then haaa, I could normally access bbc UK for instance, but now it's constantly connecting me to the worldwide version

 

[Deebs]

Fucking hell who do Amazon employ to do QA on their website?

 

[Scouse]

Look at @Deebs' help wanted thread people. One of you fuckers has minecraft at least

 

[Deebs]

Look at @Deebs' help wanted thread people. One of you fuckers has minecraft at least

Cheers and I reckon @Wij as it is a ghey game.

 

[Wij]

Cheers and I reckon @Wij as it is a ghey game.

Um - my son used to, not me

 

[Embattle]

Never played Minecraft.

 

[Wij]

Never played Minecraft.

Prefer soggy biscuit?

 

[Scouse]

Apparently just the act of imagining the prophet muhammad, never mind actually drawing him in a way that he could be coloured in in a kids book (or, in my case, gobbling off a goat, whilst being bummed by another) "can cause war".

Kenyan publisher recalls book after uproar over Prophet Muhammad image

Muslims complained it was blasphemous to ask students to colour in a picture of the Islamic prophet.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Deebs]

Apparently just the act of imagining the prophet muhammad, never mind actually drawing him in a way that he could be coloured in in a kids book (or, in my case, gobbling off a goat, whilst being bummed by another) "can cause war".

Kenyan publisher recalls book after uproar over Prophet Muhammad image

Muslims complained it was blasphemous to ask students to colour in a picture of the Islamic prophet.

www.bbc.co.uk

Religion causes more wars than everything else imo.

 

[Scouse]

Religion causes more wars than everything else imo.

And yet they dress themselves up as hand-wringing minorities that need legal protection in the UK (that Labour fall over themselves to accomodate through their hate-speech laws). Rather than representing as the well-funded, well-financed warmongering fuckheads that they are.

 

[Deebs]

And yet they dress themselves up as hand-wringing minorities that need legal protection in the UK (that Labour fall over themselves to accomodate through their hate-speech laws). Rather than representing as the well-funded, well-financed warmongering fuckheads that they are.

Absolutely, blow shit up, strap a bomb to yourself and blow up, as long as you leave a note saying how religious you were and your God willed it,, all is well.

 

[BloodOmen]

Religion causes more wars than everything else imo.

Why I'm a proud atheist. Fuck religion right up the arse.

 

[Deebs]

Why I'm a proud atheist. Fuck religion right up the arse.

/me bends right over shouting as loud as I can "ME FUCKING NEXT"

 

[BloodOmen]

/me bends right over shouting as loud as I can "ME FUCKING NEXT"

View: https://youtu.be/6nSKkwzwdW4

 

[BloodOmen]

 

[Bodhi]

Why I'm a proud atheist. Fuck religion right up the arse.

Lol, as if atheists get off scot free in this conversation.

Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all atheists, and all responsible for pretty horrendous death tolls.

That's why I'm a proud Dudeist. We only get slightly irate if you pee on our rugs.

 

[Scouse]

Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all atheists, and all responsible for pretty horrendous death tolls.

Whataboutism.

Apart from the fact that if you actually delve into them, the argument doesn't fully stand up it doesn't exclude the fact that what they've done pales into comparison to religion and its historical and ongoing crime.

Yes, humans are cunts. Religion is (by far) the biggest proponent of cuntism.

 

[Bodhi]

Whataboutism.

Apart from the fact that if you actually delve into them, the argument doesn't fully stand up it doesn't exclude the fact that what they've done pales into comparison to religion and its historical and ongoing crime.

Yes, humans are cunts. Religion is (by far) the biggest proponent of cuntism.

It's hardly whataboutery if someone says atheists haven't been responsible for such things to point out they've been responsible for their fair share over the years - some of which, such as the Holodomor and Great Leap Forward were their own particular type of horrors.

Still not surprised to see you play down atrocities from the far left however.

And I disagree with your last comment. The biggest proponent of cuntism is ideology - be that religious, political whatever. The general idea that people don't subscribe to your ideology means they are sub-human and can be safely disposed of has run its course through human history - and atheist ideologies such as communism are arguably even worse for it.

 

[Scouse]

atheist ideologies

Here's a rebuttal to your exact accusation @Bodhi. Your point made up front. Did the hard searching for you so you and skipped all the unnecessary guff - starts at the right place


View: https://youtu.be/mrOXeXgbMhE?t=3062

 

[Bodhi]

Seems to start with some American dude agreeing with me, so thanks!

As a random aside, I actually spoke to the other Hitchens on X last week, asking for recommendations on books on the troubles in Cyprus. To be fair he came back straight away with his brothers book "Cyprus" - which Amazon wanted £85 so I didn't purchase, and another called "Bitter Lemons of Cyprus", which I did.

Once I finish "An Immigrants Love Letter to the West" I'll get started on it.

"An Immigrants Love Letter" is excellent and highly recommended to anyone who suggests secular ideologies are any better than religious ones. A lot describes the author's (Konstantin Kisin) experiences living under just such an ideology in Soviet Russia, some of which are quite the eye-opener.

 

[Scouse]

Seems to start with some American dude agreeing with me, so thanks!

I left his point in there as he was taking your side.

I mean, he's all manner of wrong, which a few minutes show. But hey ho.

If you want to look at an example of a secular ideology - look no further than the United States m8. I know you're a fan of that country. And it codifies the separation of church and state. It's the first explictly secular government in history - and it's the bastion of freedom against which the rest of the world is judged.

Which is why so many religious asshat countries want to tear it down.

I wonder why you're ignoring the obvious?

 

[Bodhi]

I left his point in there as he was taking your side.

I mean, he's all manner of wrong, which a few minutes show. But hey ho.

"My side" would suggest that I'm defending religion, which I'm not. I'm just suggesting that you don't need religion to be a massive cunt and kill loads of people, as Communists are great at proving.

Hence my comment about what really turns humans into murderous cunts is ideology.

 

[Scouse]

Updated my answer m8.

 

[Bodhi]

I left his point in there as he was taking your side.

I mean, he's all manner of wrong, which a few minutes show. But hey ho.

If you want to look at an example of a secular ideology - look no further than the United States m8. I know you're a fan of that country. And it codifies the separation of church and state. It's the first explictly secular government in history - and it's the bastion of freedom against which the rest of the world is judged.

Which is why so many religious asshat countries want to tear it down.

I wonder why you're ignoring the obvious?

I'm not sure where I said all secular ideologies were just as bad as religious ones - I was more stating that just being a secular ideology is no guarantee it won't turn into a murderous hellhole like a lot of religious ones can, and atheists are on shaky ground when they try to claim they're better than those silly god botherers.

Can you tell I renounced my previous atheists stance a couple of years ago when I realised it can be just as much of a belief system as most religions? Not in all cases (I believe it's Gnostic Atheism Vs Agnostic Atheism), however some of the more militant atheists can be just as irritating as the religious sort.

 

[DaGaffer]

Lol, as if atheists get off scot free in this conversation.

Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were all atheists, and all responsible for pretty horrendous death tolls.

That's why I'm a proud Dudeist. We only get slightly irate if you pee on our rugs.

Their atheism wasn't the cause of their murderousness. Religious persecution was an ideological side-effect.

 

[Bodhi]

Their atheism wasn't the cause of their murderousness. Religious persecution was an ideological side-effect.

So as I said, it's more ideology - be it religious ideology or Communist - that causes murderousness, rather than religion by itself.

And in a completely unrelated point - good luck with Sinn Fein running the country!

 

[Scouse]

I'm not sure where I said all secular ideologies were just as bad as religious ones - I was more stating that just being a secular ideology is no guarantee it won't turn into a murderous hellhole

No @Bodhi, but a religious one is a guarantee of that.

atheists are on shaky ground when they try to claim they're better than those silly god botherers

The evidence doesn't bear this out.

 

[Bodhi]

No @Bodhi, but a religious one is a guarantee of that.


The evidence doesn't bear this out.

Only because you keep conveniently ignoring the death toll your comrades have left behind.

Probably also the reason why the far left are far more dangerous, historically speaking, than the far right.

 

[Scouse]

Only because you keep conveniently ignoring the death toll your comrades have left behind.

Not at all. Made the argument already:

• Hitler: Roman Catholic, until the day he died (and the church celebrated his birthday every year). Complete God-botherer.
• Stalin: Studied as a priest of his own volition and all he did was rebrand the tyranny of the the Russian Orthodox Church (who he kept on-side). If Stalin didn't have his religious vehicle to co-opt he wouldn't have made any headway in the first place. A Stalin cannot rise from the ashes of a fucked-over United States, for example, without a religion to lean on.
• Pol-Pot: A buddhist. The ridiculous religion that's managed to hoodwink people into thinking they're peaceable orange-robed monks, whilst they terrorise and slaughter people with gay abandon. He believed that a divine right was guiding him in bringing utopia to people - as long as he could force them into believing the shit that he believed.

Which brings us back to the US. A secular nation. It's the religious right that's the biggest overall threat there. The democrats will, I 100% agree with you, absolutely fuck things up if they get the chance (as will Labour with their moralising idiocy in the UK). But right now it looks as far from internal mass murder as it's possible to get. And that's because they completely removed church from state.

The atheist atrocities thing is bullshit @Bodhi. It doesn't bear up to close scrutiny.

 

[TdC]

Spent the week in Cape Town working. Had the last day to myself, so went up Table Mountain for the third time. Second time doing the India Venster route. Tough on the thighs (it's pretty much all big rocks to step up) but well worth it.

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thats awesome Tom